Coffee Lounge and the ACF - Page 2 - OzChess

Spiny Norman · 10-31-2007, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Rex

Why waste time talking about Howard Duggan, he is a small minded fool.

On the contrary, he is very articulate, quite wise on a variety of topics, and having spent several hours with him in person recently having a chat about a variety of topics I know that he is quite the opposite of small-minded.

**Arrogant-One** · 10-31-2007, 12:42 PM

Hi Frosty,

Yes, my first impression of him was also favourable. Who wouldn't have sympathy for a parent with a child in that state. As time goes on, however, his true colours are revealed. In my view Howard has some very serious issues he needs to work through.

I have, in light of the spectre of trash-flame wars that this subject can open up, decided to withdraw my posts dealing with him and to cease further discussion about him. He simply brings out the worst in me, and others, and I want nothing more to do with the man.

Regards

AO

**Iconoclast** · 10-31-2007, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by frosty

On the contrary, he is very articulate, quite wise on a variety of topics, and having spent several hours with him in person recently having a chat about a variety of topics I know that he is quite the opposite of small-minded.

All manner of excellent qualities can be insufficient to compensate for some kinds of flaws.

Barry · 11-24-2007, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by MOZ

I think I understand now.
The use of the words Coffee Lounge to describe that select Forum is allowed. But the use of two words 'Toolbox Watch', a thread name used basically to describe this Forum (OzChess), is not allowed to be uttered in public?

People can quote their own posts anywhere. But the idea of the coffee lounge is for it to be unmoderated and the quoting of the posts of others is forbidden.

Originally Posted by MOZ

Incidentally, any word how long the banning from the Coffee Lounge for use of the words will be? Now in day 7 from memory.

I don't take part in that decision making process but I believe a thread has been started on chesschat by Spiny which addresses with the aim to clarify this.

Barry · 11-24-2007, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Barry ... how are you?
I am missing beating you in the current rapids

I'm well but the I wanted to do a short course in French language and Tuesday was the only night. I'll be back next year.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Come off it. Less moderated or not, the CL is still controlled by ACF officials.

Some moderators on chess chat hold positions with the ACF. However the moderation of material in the CL is very rarely needed. What is more problematic is ensuring the privacy of PMs and CL posts.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Ah but, talking about the CL on the main board is discouraged, isn't it Barry! It is only for the in-crowd, so shhhh.

It is mentioned in the site rules. Discussion of the lounge is only discouraged that it might lead to problematic behavior like a poster artificially raising their post count through spam-like posts to get access.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Why would someone do that if the CL was not an exclusive club. If people are/are banned from that area it is, by definition exclusive [read this]. Now, Barry, you can try as hard as you like to soften the image of the CL, however, it is still demonstrably
1. Used by and
2. Controlled by and
3. Kept exclusive by
ACF officials.

Only some moderators hold roles on the ACF but being a moderator is not part of their ACF roles. In the same way that someone can be a catholic and serve ni the Australian public service.

Yes it is exclusive. That was the intention from the beginning and the reason for the post count requirement. With access comes the responsibility to respect the privacy of others and those who don't or who are unable to manage this responsibility need to be managed. Some repeat offenders are banned.

Barry · 11-24-2007, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

That's right. And having a forum where they are generally estopped from moderating threatened their power (ie. the lack of a need for them in the Coffee Lounge Forum) such that they once tried to abolish it.

AO, I don't know about trying to abolish it. What are the details of events to which you refer?

**Arrogant-One** · 11-24-2007, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Barry

AO, I don't know about trying to abolish it. What are the details of events to which you refer?

Hi Barry

I remember it quite clearly because when I started posting at CC it was for the purpose of reaching 200 post (everyone told me something special would happen when I had). I then reached 200 posts and nothing unusual happened. I inquired and was told that Coffee Lounge had just been shut down.

AO

10-31-2007, 10:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
Spiny Norman Suspended Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 223	Originally Posted by Rex Why waste time talking about Howard Duggan, he is a small minded fool. On the contrary, he is very articulate, quite wise on a variety of topics, and having spent several hours with him in person recently having a chat about a variety of topics I know that he is quite the opposite of small-minded.

10-31-2007, 12:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
Arrogant-One Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,662	AO to Discontinue Discussion Hi Frosty, Yes, my first impression of him was also favourable. Who wouldn't have sympathy for a parent with a child in that state. As time goes on, however, his true colours are revealed. In my view Howard has some very serious issues he needs to work through. I have, in light of the spectre of trash-flame wars that this subject can open up, decided to withdraw my posts dealing with him and to cease further discussion about him. He simply brings out the worst in me, and others, and I want nothing more to do with the man. Regards AO __________________ . ... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . . ~ Charles Dickens novel ~

10-31-2007, 04:40 PM	#18 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by frosty On the contrary, he is very articulate, quite wise on a variety of topics, and having spent several hours with him in person recently having a chat about a variety of topics I know that he is quite the opposite of small-minded. All manner of excellent qualities can be insufficient to compensate for some kinds of flaws. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

11-24-2007, 02:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
Barry Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wollongong Posts: 71	Originally Posted by MOZ I think I understand now. The use of the words Coffee Lounge to describe that select Forum is allowed. But the use of two words 'Toolbox Watch', a thread name used basically to describe this Forum (OzChess), is not allowed to be uttered in public? People can quote their own posts anywhere. But the idea of the coffee lounge is for it to be unmoderated and the quoting of the posts of others is forbidden. Originally Posted by MOZ Incidentally, any word how long the banning from the Coffee Lounge for use of the words will be? Now in day 7 from memory. I don't take part in that decision making process but I believe a thread has been started on chesschat by Spiny which addresses with the aim to clarify this.

11-24-2007, 02:31 AM	#20 (permalink)
Barry Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wollongong Posts: 71	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Barry ... how are you? I am missing beating you in the current rapids I'm well but the I wanted to do a short course in French language and Tuesday was the only night. I'll be back next year. Originally Posted by Iconoclast Come off it. Less moderated or not, the CL is still controlled by ACF officials. Some moderators on chess chat hold positions with the ACF. However the moderation of material in the CL is very rarely needed. What is more problematic is ensuring the privacy of PMs and CL posts. Originally Posted by Iconoclast Ah but, talking about the CL on the main board is discouraged, isn't it Barry! It is only for the in-crowd, so shhhh. It is mentioned in the site rules. Discussion of the lounge is only discouraged that it might lead to problematic behavior like a poster artificially raising their post count through spam-like posts to get access. Originally Posted by Iconoclast Why would someone do that if the CL was not an exclusive club. If people are/are banned from that area it is, by definition exclusive [read this]. Now, Barry, you can try as hard as you like to soften the image of the CL, however, it is still demonstrably 1. Used by and 2. Controlled by and 3. Kept exclusive by ACF officials. Only some moderators hold roles on the ACF but being a moderator is not part of their ACF roles. In the same way that someone can be a catholic and serve ni the Australian public service. Yes it is exclusive. That was the intention from the beginning and the reason for the post count requirement. With access comes the responsibility to respect the privacy of others and those who don't or who are unable to manage this responsibility need to be managed. Some repeat offenders are banned.

11-24-2007, 02:35 AM	#21 (permalink)
Barry Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wollongong Posts: 71	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One That's right. And having a forum where they are generally estopped from moderating threatened their power (ie. the lack of a need for them in the Coffee Lounge Forum) such that they once tried to abolish it. AO, I don't know about trying to abolish it. What are the details of events to which you refer?

11-24-2007, 01:02 PM	#22 (permalink)
Arrogant-One Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,662	Originally Posted by Barry AO, I don't know about trying to abolish it. What are the details of events to which you refer? Hi Barry I remember it quite clearly because when I started posting at CC it was for the purpose of reaching 200 post (everyone told me something special would happen when I had). I then reached 200 posts and nothing unusual happened. I inquired and was told that Coffee Lounge had just been shut down. AO __________________ . ... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . . ~ Charles Dickens novel ~

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