Chess Openings Sources - OzChess

**Gumshoe Mystery** · 04-20-2008, 12:11 AM

Does anyone have a good source of chess openings. I do not mean a book about the move was pawn to queen 4 .I mean a more in depth look at the reasoning behind the move.
I am trying to Google and all I am getting are just the basic offers but no good source for why a particular opening was used instead of another.

**LoyalSoldier** · 04-20-2008, 05:06 PM

I know a couple of good books, but they are quite expensive. I actually learned most of my opening theory from my friends (rating 2100 and 2105 last time I checked).

**Fischer-Fan** · 04-20-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by LoyalSoldier

I know a couple of good books, but they are quite expensive. I actually learned most of my opening theory from my friends (rating 2100 and 2105 last time I checked).

what books are they? did your friends teach you a whole range of openings or just 2 or 3?

**LoyalSoldier** · 04-21-2008, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Fischer-Fan

what books are they? did your friends teach you a whole range of openings or just 2 or 3?

What they taught me was what makes a good opening a good opening. They didn't tell me a single openings name until I understood what caused open and closed game, how to try to modify the game to suit your strengths, ect. After that they showed me specific openings to accomplish these. The theory is more important than the actually opening because if you just go by memory then you don't know what to do if nothing goes as planned.

Or to quote my friend "Oh that was the Scin Dragon? I just made the moves because they made sense."

As for books. Try looking in this thread. They might be able to point you to books that are easier to get a hold of.

http://www.chessforums.org/beginners...ning-book.html

**Fischer-Fan** · 04-21-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by LoyalSoldier

What they taught me was what makes a good opening a good opening. They didn't tell me a single openings name until I understood what caused open and closed game, how to try to modify the game to suit your strengths, ect. After that they showed me specific openings to accomplish these. The theory is more important than the actually opening because if you just go by memory then you don't know what to do if nothing goes as planned.

Or to quote my friend "Oh that was the Scin Dragon? I just made the moves because they made sense."

As for books. Try looking in this thread. They might be able to point you to books that are easier to get a hold of.

http://www.chessforums.org/beginners...ning-book.html

i agree names are meaningless. if you understand things like knights before bishops and stuff like that then you should get into the middlegame at least on equal terms. even studying traps is risky because it means you are looking for a cheap shot and not really demonstrating understanding of the opening.

**LMatheson** · 07-16-2008, 08:47 AM

Hi Gumshoe Mystery,

There are books like NCO or BCO that give you the lines for almost every opening but I am seeing that that is not what you want. Quite a good site is http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/...ing_survey.htm and although it is a little bit basic it usually describes each opening. Apart from that maybe Mastering the Opening published by Everyman. It contains almost no lines but just the general plans and other useful information about the opening. Also the everyman chess starting out series usually just gives the plans as well.

LMatheson

**Fischer-Fan** · 07-16-2008, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by LMatheson

Hi Gumshoe Mystery,

There are books like NCO or BCO that give you the lines for almost every opening but I am seeing that that is not what you want. Quite a good site is http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/...ing_survey.htm and although it is a little bit basic it usually describes each opening. Apart from that maybe Mastering the Opening published by Everyman. It contains almost no lines but just the general plans and other useful information about the opening. Also the everyman chess starting out series usually just gives the plans as well.

LMatheson

how much time do you spend studying openings and do you find players you play don't go into the openings you study?

**LMatheson** · 07-17-2008, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Fischer-Fan

how much time do you spend studying openings and do you find players you play don't go into the openings you study?

Hmmm... tricky question. I don't actually spend a lot of time on my openings but I will sometimes do a little bit of preperation. About 1 in 4 games I will get what I have prepared but usually you won't. In that case I have learnt how to play against the person's opening so it is useful anyway

**Just2Good** · 07-18-2008, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by LMatheson

Hi Gumshoe Mystery,

There are books like NCO or BCO that give you the lines for almost every opening but I am seeing that that is not what you want. Quite a good site is http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/...ing_survey.htm and although it is a little bit basic it usually describes each opening. Apart from that maybe Mastering the Opening published by Everyman. It contains almost no lines but just the general plans and other useful information about the opening. Also the everyman chess starting out series usually just gives the plans as well.

LMatheson

Hi LMatheson

Have you ever seen this link before?

[spoiler] http://www.shredderchess.com/online-...-database.html
I think its a really good online opening database.

[/spoiler]
Best

AO

**LMatheson** · 07-19-2008, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Hi LMatheson

Have you ever seen this link before?

[spoiler] http://www.shredderchess.com/online-...-database.html
I think its a really good online opening database. [/spoiler]
Best

AO

No I haven't actually

, I like www.chessgames.com Thanks for the site

**Gumshoe Mystery** · 08-01-2008, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by LoyalSoldier

Or to quote my friend "Oh that was the Scin Dragon? I just made the moves because they made sense."

Words well spoken. Many a time when you learn a move by a particular name first, you'll make the attempt to perform that move. This can lead to easy predictablility and possibly defeat.

04-20-2008, 12:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Gumshoe Mystery Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bundaberg Posts: 141	Chess Openings Sources Does anyone have a good source of chess openings. I do not mean a book about the move was pawn to queen 4 .I mean a more in depth look at the reasoning behind the move. I am trying to Google and all I am getting are just the basic offers but no good source for why a particular opening was used instead of another. __________________ “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

04-20-2008, 05:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
LoyalSoldier Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 59	I know a couple of good books, but they are quite expensive. I actually learned most of my opening theory from my friends (rating 2100 and 2105 last time I checked). __________________ The Knights are your friends. Unless they just forked your queen and king.....

04-20-2008, 05:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Fischer-Fan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 152	Originally Posted by LoyalSoldier I know a couple of good books, but they are quite expensive. I actually learned most of my opening theory from my friends (rating 2100 and 2105 last time I checked). what books are they? did your friends teach you a whole range of openings or just 2 or 3? __________________ Patzer see check, patzer give check! - Bobby Fischer

04-21-2008, 09:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
LoyalSoldier Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 59	Originally Posted by Fischer-Fan what books are they? did your friends teach you a whole range of openings or just 2 or 3? What they taught me was what makes a good opening a good opening. They didn't tell me a single openings name until I understood what caused open and closed game, how to try to modify the game to suit your strengths, ect. After that they showed me specific openings to accomplish these. The theory is more important than the actually opening because if you just go by memory then you don't know what to do if nothing goes as planned. Or to quote my friend "Oh that was the Scin Dragon? I just made the moves because they made sense." As for books. Try looking in this thread. They might be able to point you to books that are easier to get a hold of. http://www.chessforums.org/beginners...ning-book.html __________________ The Knights are your friends. Unless they just forked your queen and king.....

04-21-2008, 07:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Fischer-Fan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 152	Originally Posted by LoyalSoldier What they taught me was what makes a good opening a good opening. They didn't tell me a single openings name until I understood what caused open and closed game, how to try to modify the game to suit your strengths, ect. After that they showed me specific openings to accomplish these. The theory is more important than the actually opening because if you just go by memory then you don't know what to do if nothing goes as planned. Or to quote my friend "Oh that was the Scin Dragon? I just made the moves because they made sense." As for books. Try looking in this thread. They might be able to point you to books that are easier to get a hold of. http://www.chessforums.org/beginners...ning-book.html i agree names are meaningless. if you understand things like knights before bishops and stuff like that then you should get into the middlegame at least on equal terms. even studying traps is risky because it means you are looking for a cheap shot and not really demonstrating understanding of the opening. __________________ Patzer see check, patzer give check! - Bobby Fischer

07-16-2008, 08:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
LMatheson Siberian Chess Cub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Some suggestions Hi Gumshoe Mystery, There are books like NCO or BCO that give you the lines for almost every opening but I am seeing that that is not what you want. Quite a good site is http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/...ing_survey.htm and although it is a little bit basic it usually describes each opening. Apart from that maybe Mastering the Opening published by Everyman. It contains almost no lines but just the general plans and other useful information about the opening. Also the everyman chess starting out series usually just gives the plans as well. LMatheson

07-16-2008, 07:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fischer-Fan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 152	Originally Posted by LMatheson Hi Gumshoe Mystery, There are books like NCO or BCO that give you the lines for almost every opening but I am seeing that that is not what you want. Quite a good site is http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/...ing_survey.htm and although it is a little bit basic it usually describes each opening. Apart from that maybe Mastering the Opening published by Everyman. It contains almost no lines but just the general plans and other useful information about the opening. Also the everyman chess starting out series usually just gives the plans as well. LMatheson how much time do you spend studying openings and do you find players you play don't go into the openings you study? __________________ Patzer see check, patzer give check! - Bobby Fischer

07-17-2008, 08:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
LMatheson Siberian Chess Cub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Originally Posted by Fischer-Fan how much time do you spend studying openings and do you find players you play don't go into the openings you study? Hmmm... tricky question. I don't actually spend a lot of time on my openings but I will sometimes do a little bit of preperation. About 1 in 4 games I will get what I have prepared but usually you won't. In that case I have learnt how to play against the person's opening so it is useful anyway

07-18-2008, 07:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Shredder Chess Originally Posted by LMatheson Hi Gumshoe Mystery, There are books like NCO or BCO that give you the lines for almost every opening but I am seeing that that is not what you want. Quite a good site is http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/...ing_survey.htm and although it is a little bit basic it usually describes each opening. Apart from that maybe Mastering the Opening published by Everyman. It contains almost no lines but just the general plans and other useful information about the opening. Also the everyman chess starting out series usually just gives the plans as well. LMatheson Hi LMatheson Have you ever seen this link before? [spoiler] http://www.shredderchess.com/online-...-database.html I think its a really good online opening database. [/spoiler] Best AO __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-19-2008, 09:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
LMatheson Siberian Chess Cub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Hi LMatheson Have you ever seen this link before? [spoiler] http://www.shredderchess.com/online-...-database.html I think its a really good online opening database. [/spoiler] Best AO No I haven't actually, I like www.chessgames.com Thanks for the site

08-01-2008, 12:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
Gumshoe Mystery Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bundaberg Posts: 141	Originally Posted by LoyalSoldier Or to quote my friend "Oh that was the Scin Dragon? I just made the moves because they made sense." Words well spoken. Many a time when you learn a move by a particular name first, you'll make the attempt to perform that move. This can lead to easy predictablility and possibly defeat. __________________ “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

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