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**Noddy** · 11-30-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by mowcop

Ok, I found the following game, which shows just how difficult things can be for White if he doesn't know what he's doing....btw, White is so good, he should have known what he was doing!!

Short,N (2682) - Xie Jun (2562) [C58]
Queens-Kings Jinan (1), 21.07.2002

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Qe2 Be7 8.Nc3 0-0 9.0-0 Bg4 10.Qxe5 Bd6 11.Qd4 c5 12.Qd3 a6 13.h3 Bc8 14.Ba4 b5 15.Nxb5 axb5 16.Bxb5 c4 17.Qd4 Bb7 18.d3 Bxd5 19.Be3 Qc7 20.Rad1 Bh2+ 21.Kh1 Be5 22.Qc5 Qb7 23.f3 Rfc8 24.Qb6 Qxb6 25.Bxb6 Rcb8 26.Bxa5 Rxb5 27.Bc3 Bxc3 28.bxc3 h6 29.Ne4 Bxe4 30.dxe4 Rxa2 31.Rd4 Rxc2 32.Rxc4 Rbb2 33.Rg1 Nh5 34.e5 Ng3+ 35.Kh2 Ne2 36.Re1 g5 37.Rg4 Kg7 38.h4 Kg6 39.hxg5 hxg5 40.Ra1 Nf4 41.Ra6+ Kh5 42.Rf6 Nxg2 43.Kg3 Ne3 0-1

According to Korchnoi, after 11.Qd4 White is losing

Here is the game in the viewer that you are talking about. Where do you think white went wrong if you don't agree with Korchnoi?

**Noddy** · 11-30-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by mowcop

Ok, I found the following game, which shows just how difficult things can be for White if he doesn't know what he's doing....btw, White is so good, he should have known what he was doing!!

Short,N (2682) - Xie Jun (2562) [C58]
Queens-Kings Jinan (1), 21.07.2002

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Qe2 Be7 8.Nc3 0-0 9.0-0 Bg4 10.Qxe5 Bd6 11.Qd4 c5 12.Qd3 a6 13.h3 Bc8 14.Ba4 b5 15.Nxb5 axb5 16.Bxb5 c4 17.Qd4 Bb7 18.d3 Bxd5 19.Be3 Qc7 20.Rad1 Bh2+ 21.Kh1 Be5 22.Qc5 Qb7 23.f3 Rfc8 24.Qb6 Qxb6 25.Bxb6 Rcb8 26.Bxa5 Rxb5 27.Bc3 Bxc3 28.bxc3 h6 29.Ne4 Bxe4 30.dxe4 Rxa2 31.Rd4 Rxc2 32.Rxc4 Rbb2 33.Rg1 Nh5 34.e5 Ng3+ 35.Kh2 Ne2 36.Re1 g5 37.Rg4 Kg7 38.h4 Kg6 39.hxg5 hxg5 40.Ra1 Nf4 41.Ra6+ Kh5 42.Rf6 Nxg2 43.Kg3 Ne3 0-1

According to Korchnoi, after 11.Qd4 White is losing

12. Qd3 was a huge mistake, he should have played en passant! Is that what you meant Mowcop?

**Fischer-Fan** · 11-30-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Noddy

12. Qd3 was a huge mistake, he should have played en passant! Is that what you meant Mowcop?

he can't! don't forget the Bh2+ which would win the queen.

**Simon** · 12-01-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Fischer-Fan

he can't! don't forget the Bh2+ which would win the queen.

Good hawk eye Fischer's fan!

**MonCapitan2002** · 12-02-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Simon Frederick

Good hawk eye Fischer's fan!

INDEED, I COULD USE YOUR HAWK EYES ON MY SHIP TO SEARCH FOR NEW LANDS USING A SEXTANT! INTERESTED?

11-30-2008, 04:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Toyland Posts: 256	Originally Posted by mowcop Ok, I found the following game, which shows just how difficult things can be for White if he doesn't know what he's doing....btw, White is so good, he should have known what he was doing!! Short,N (2682) - Xie Jun (2562) [C58] Queens-Kings Jinan (1), 21.07.2002 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Qe2 Be7 8.Nc3 0-0 9.0-0 Bg4 10.Qxe5 Bd6 11.Qd4 c5 12.Qd3 a6 13.h3 Bc8 14.Ba4 b5 15.Nxb5 axb5 16.Bxb5 c4 17.Qd4 Bb7 18.d3 Bxd5 19.Be3 Qc7 20.Rad1 Bh2+ 21.Kh1 Be5 22.Qc5 Qb7 23.f3 Rfc8 24.Qb6 Qxb6 25.Bxb6 Rcb8 26.Bxa5 Rxb5 27.Bc3 Bxc3 28.bxc3 h6 29.Ne4 Bxe4 30.dxe4 Rxa2 31.Rd4 Rxc2 32.Rxc4 Rbb2 33.Rg1 Nh5 34.e5 Ng3+ 35.Kh2 Ne2 36.Re1 g5 37.Rg4 Kg7 38.h4 Kg6 39.hxg5 hxg5 40.Ra1 Nf4 41.Ra6+ Kh5 42.Rf6 Nxg2 43.Kg3 Ne3 0-1 According to Korchnoi, after 11.Qd4 White is losing 12. Qd3 was a huge mistake, he should have played en passant! Is that what you meant Mowcop?

11-30-2008, 05:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
Fischer-Fan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 152	Originally Posted by Noddy 12. Qd3 was a huge mistake, he should have played en passant! Is that what you meant Mowcop? he can't! don't forget the Bh2+ which would win the queen. __________________ Patzer see check, patzer give check! - Bobby Fischer

12-01-2008, 01:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 182	Originally Posted by Fischer-Fan he can't! don't forget the Bh2+ which would win the queen. Good hawk eye Fischer's fan!

12-02-2008, 03:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
MonCapitan2002 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nice, France Posts: 30	Originally Posted by Simon Frederick Good hawk eye Fischer's fan! INDEED, I COULD USE YOUR HAWK EYES ON MY SHIP TO SEARCH FOR NEW LANDS USING A SEXTANT! INTERESTED?

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