Friday Nights at MCC - OzChess

**Lekko** · 03-18-2011, 11:25 PM

For the past few weeks, Pablito and I have been concentrating on certain positions that arise after a certain opening.

The first week, we analysed several positions that arise out of the Bg5 Najdorf systems, how white can try to maintain an opening advantage and how black can try to equalise, along with some with some common themes that crop up (such as sacrificing a Knight on d5 or bishop on e6).

The second week we looked at a certain line of the dragon that is believed to be putting black out of business. We found some good lines that seem to keep black in the ball game including thematic Nxb2 and Rxc3 sacrifices.

This week, we looked at an endgame that arises where black is down the exchange for a pawn. We looked for ways for black to make counter play and for white to try to win with his material advantage.

This was the position we looked at tonight:

This position is believed to be about equal. How would you go about winning for white? What about as black? Would you be content with a draw?

**JaK** · 03-19-2011, 05:06 PM

First of all this is a good initiative and sets a nice example for MCC members who can start their own groups of study in addition to the Club's organised activities.
In this position I prefer Black, since after the exchange of pieces (not an easy task) the endgame is won.
White despite having won the exchange (was it one of those annoying ... Rxc3 sacs?) doesn't have sufficient breaks and the commanding position of Black's knights do not allow for cute sacrifices and/or pawn breaks.
I haven't looked at the position analytically though. I presume it's White's move since if it's not Black wins another Pawn for nothing!

**Pablito15** · 03-21-2011, 01:34 PM

Really interesting end game. Actually it fits in well with what Carl was saying a few Wednesday's ago about starting your study from these critical positions.

**Lekko** · 03-22-2011, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Pablito15

Really interesting end game. Actually it fits in well with what Carl was saying a few Wednesday's ago about starting your study from these critical positions.

"I'm still not convinced Kd2 is bad"
*Nxf3*

Originally Posted by JaK

First of all this is a good initiative and sets a nice example for MCC members who can start their own groups of study in addition to the Club's organised activities.
In this position I prefer Black, since after the exchange of pieces (not an easy task) the endgame is won.
White despite having won the exchange (was it one of those annoying ... Rxc3 sacs?) doesn't have sufficient breaks and the commanding position of Black's knights do not allow for cute sacrifices and/or pawn breaks.
I haven't looked at the position analytically though. I presume it's White's move since if it's not Black wins another Pawn for nothing!

Correct, the last move was Rc8. Its actually all theory up until this point. Of course there are still plans for white and black to go about trying to win but there's no set moves that are played.

I suggest looking up Holmes - Ward. Ward shows excellent technique in converting this position when white over presses and invites favourable exchanges for black.

**JaK** · 03-22-2011, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid

...I suggest looking up Holmes - Ward. Ward shows excellent technique in converting this position when white over presses and invites favourable exchanges for black.

Thanks I will look at it during the weekend!

**Just2Good** · 03-22-2011, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid

This position is believed to be about equal. How would you go about winning for white? What about as black? Would you be content with a draw?

The idea is very simple for White. Swing the second rook over to the h file, then a pawn push to remove the defending f6 knight - and presto, you have a winning position!

**Pablito15** · 03-22-2011, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

The idea is very simple for White. Swing the second rook over to the h file, then a pawn push to remove the defending f6 knight - and presto, you have a winning position!

hehe- we looked at this a few times. Black plays Nh5 and it's very drawish

**JaK** · 03-22-2011, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid

I suggest looking up Holmes - Ward. Ward shows excellent technique in converting this position when white over presses and invites favourable exchanges for black.

Actually, I am looking at it now!!!! (I guess you mean the two part video thingy yeah?) WOW, this guy goes out of his way to explain topics reDragon structure and ideas! Incredible stuff, thanks again!

**Lekko** · 03-22-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by JaK

Actually, I am looking at it now!!!! (I guess you mean the two part video thingy yeah?) WOW, this guy goes out of his way to explain topics reDragon structure and ideas! Incredible stuff, thanks again!

I saw it in a book and had to analyse it myself, so I had no such luck

**Lekko** · 03-22-2011, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

The idea is very simple for White. Swing the second rook over to the h file, then a pawn push to remove the defending f6 knight - and presto, you have a winning position!

Cool story bro. haha. That's what I like to refer to as "overpressing". If it were that easy to beat the dragon then it would be refuted.

**Pablito15** · 03-24-2011, 07:36 PM

ey Frank,

can't make it this Friday- cousin's wedding.

Also- if you play allegro saturday can you try to make sure it starts by 2 and we use the 15+2 time controls from last week!

enjoy

**Lekko** · 03-24-2011, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Pablito15

ey Frank,

can't make it this Friday- cousin's wedding.

Also- if you play allegro saturday can you try to make sure it starts by 2 and we use the 15+2 time controls from last week!

enjoy

ceebs.

**Pablito15** · 03-25-2011, 12:22 PM

What's a ceebs? I feel old!

**Pablito15** · 03-25-2011, 12:24 PM

ah. I have used the google to decode your internet-speak:

What does CEEBS mean? - CEEBS Definition - Meaning of CEEBS - InternetSlang.com

CBA . com

ok- pass that on to someone who can be arsed:>

**JaK** · 03-25-2011, 04:24 PM

My godson used it on me in cases when I "encouraged" him to do his homework.
His literal interpretation wasn't as subtle as yours though!

03-18-2011, 11:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Friday Nights at MCC For the past few weeks, Pablito and I have been concentrating on certain positions that arise after a certain opening. The first week, we analysed several positions that arise out of the Bg5 Najdorf systems, how white can try to maintain an opening advantage and how black can try to equalise, along with some with some common themes that crop up (such as sacrificing a Knight on d5 or bishop on e6). The second week we looked at a certain line of the dragon that is believed to be putting black out of business. We found some good lines that seem to keep black in the ball game including thematic Nxb2 and Rxc3 sacrifices. This week, we looked at an endgame that arises where black is down the exchange for a pawn. We looked for ways for black to make counter play and for white to try to win with his material advantage. This was the position we looked at tonight: This position is believed to be about equal. How would you go about winning for white? What about as black? Would you be content with a draw? __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

03-21-2011, 01:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	Really interesting end game. Actually it fits in well with what Carl was saying a few Wednesday's ago about starting your study from these critical positions. __________________ My Blog!

03-22-2011, 03:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Pablito15 Really interesting end game. Actually it fits in well with what Carl was saying a few Wednesday's ago about starting your study from these critical positions. "I'm still not convinced Kd2 is bad" Nxf3 Originally Posted by JaK First of all this is a good initiative and sets a nice example for MCC members who can start their own groups of study in addition to the Club's organised activities. In this position I prefer Black, since after the exchange of pieces (not an easy task) the endgame is won. White despite having won the exchange (was it one of those annoying ... Rxc3 sacs?) doesn't have sufficient breaks and the commanding position of Black's knights do not allow for cute sacrifices and/or pawn breaks. I haven't looked at the position analytically though. I presume it's White's move since if it's not Black wins another Pawn for nothing! Correct, the last move was Rc8. Its actually all theory up until this point. Of course there are still plans for white and black to go about trying to win but there's no set moves that are played. I suggest looking up Holmes - Ward. Ward shows excellent technique in converting this position when white over presses and invites favourable exchanges for black. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

03-22-2011, 03:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid ...I suggest looking up Holmes - Ward. Ward shows excellent technique in converting this position when white over presses and invites favourable exchanges for black. Thanks I will look at it during the weekend! Last edited by JaK : 03-22-2011 at 02:21 PM

03-22-2011, 04:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid This position is believed to be about equal. How would you go about winning for white? What about as black? Would you be content with a draw? The idea is very simple for White. Swing the second rook over to the h file, then a pawn push to remove the defending f6 knight - and presto, you have a winning position! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

03-19-2011, 05:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	First of all this is a good initiative and sets a nice example for MCC members who can start their own groups of study in addition to the Club's organised activities. In this position I prefer Black, since after the exchange of pieces (not an easy task) the endgame is won. White despite having won the exchange (was it one of those annoying ... Rxc3 sacs?) doesn't have sufficient breaks and the commanding position of Black's knights do not allow for cute sacrifices and/or pawn breaks. I haven't looked at the position analytically though. I presume it's White's move since if it's not Black wins another Pawn for nothing!

03-22-2011, 10:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	Originally Posted by Just2Good The idea is very simple for White. Swing the second rook over to the h file, then a pawn push to remove the defending f6 knight - and presto, you have a winning position! hehe- we looked at this a few times. Black plays Nh5 and it's very drawish __________________ My Blog!

03-22-2011, 02:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid I suggest looking up Holmes - Ward. Ward shows excellent technique in converting this position when white over presses and invites favourable exchanges for black. Actually, I am looking at it now!!!! (I guess you mean the two part video thingy yeah?) WOW, this guy goes out of his way to explain topics reDragon structure and ideas! Incredible stuff, thanks again!

03-22-2011, 02:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by JaK Actually, I am looking at it now!!!! (I guess you mean the two part video thingy yeah?) WOW, this guy goes out of his way to explain topics reDragon structure and ideas! Incredible stuff, thanks again! I saw it in a book and had to analyse it myself, so I had no such luck __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

03-22-2011, 02:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Just2Good The idea is very simple for White. Swing the second rook over to the h file, then a pawn push to remove the defending f6 knight - and presto, you have a winning position! Cool story bro. haha. That's what I like to refer to as "overpressing". If it were that easy to beat the dragon then it would be refuted. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

03-24-2011, 07:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	ey Frank, can't make it this Friday- cousin's wedding. Also- if you play allegro saturday can you try to make sure it starts by 2 and we use the 15+2 time controls from last week! enjoy __________________ My Blog!

03-24-2011, 08:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Pablito15 ey Frank, can't make it this Friday- cousin's wedding. Also- if you play allegro saturday can you try to make sure it starts by 2 and we use the 15+2 time controls from last week! enjoy ceebs. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

03-25-2011, 12:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	What's a ceebs? I feel old! __________________ My Blog!

03-25-2011, 12:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	ah. I have used the google to decode your internet-speak: What does CEEBS mean? - CEEBS Definition - Meaning of CEEBS - InternetSlang.com CBA . com ok- pass that on to someone who can be arsed:> __________________ My Blog!

03-25-2011, 04:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	My godson used it on me in cases when I "encouraged" him to do his homework. His literal interpretation wasn't as subtle as yours though!

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