Elections - June to December 2011 - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 06-02-2011, 05:56 PM

Its that time of year again were we at OzChess elect new moderators or keep the one's we currently have (who have done a splendid job).

Once again we have the two stages, stage one is a vote on whether we just keep the current mods until voting again in six months time (December 2011). If that vote is no, then stage two is voting for individual mods.

The rules are the same as always, you need five posts in the past 6 months to vote. Hydra votes are not allowed unless the main account has not voted.

I would also like to thank the current elected mods for doing such a fantastic job over the past six months.

Keeping trouble makers in check and spam under control is a tedious task, but one done with skill and grace by Pablito15, Jaydon, and Heartbreak Kid.

**Firegoat7** · 06-02-2011, 06:45 PM

Hi,

Mods are doing a good job. However, democracy is a good thing! Therefore, I vote for new elections.

cheers,

**Just2Good** · 06-27-2011, 09:22 AM

I see on the other site they are once again complaining about our democratic elections whilst not having any of their own.

By way of explanation, the vote was 4 to 4. Antikiller did not have the posts required to vote, in fact he has made no posts at all. There was speculation he was a hydra of Brian's, but the ip address evidence does not confirm that and even if it did, the five posts in six month rule applies to all voting accounts, even hydra's.

It is true that there was no rule about what transpires with a tie vote. However, the elected mods did not lose the mid-year vote of confidence. It was a tie.

As they did not lose the vote, and as the time and effort in setting up a fresh poll is considerable, we will set a new precedent that a tie in the mid-year motion of confidence vote is effectively a win for the elected moderators. Accordingly, our elected mods are entitled to continue to serve until December 2011 when there will be fresh elections. It is the OzChess way.

**antichrist** · 06-27-2011, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

[font="Georgia"]I see on the other site they are once again complaining about our democratic elections whilst not having any of their own............

For the Bight Side to have a fair election any former members who may have been alienated and left should also have a vote. This is based on the principle that when people leave their homeland due to lack of rights and democracy, and eventually democracy comes to that country, though those emmigrants may live in for example Australia they still get a vote in their home counry.

I am not inferring that this occurred but just out of principle, as KB states over there over there all principles of fairness should be adhered to. This gives the opportunity for anyone who felt such and left in silence being too timid to upset the apple cart by giving any reason.

But I well appreciate that KB goes to extreme lengths to be fair.

**Just2Good** · 06-27-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

For the Bight Side to have a fair election any former members who may have been alienated and left should also have a vote. This is based on the principle that when people leave their homeland due to lack of rights and democracy, and eventually democracy comes to that country, though those emmigrants may live in for example Australia they still get a vote in their home counry.

I am not inferring that this occurred but just out of principle, as KB states over there over there all principles of fairness should be adhered to. This gives the opportunity for anyone who felt such and left in silence being too timid to upset the apple cart by giving any reason.

But I well appreciate that KB goes to extreme lengths to be fair.

Because nobody is banned from OzChess, anyone who used to post here could easily make five posts about anything and then vote, without giving any reason for their vote. So your argument, if you had one, fails.

**Just2Good** · 06-27-2011, 06:54 PM

It seems Kevin really, really, wants us to have fresh elections right now, instead of waiting until December. He is even referring some Australia political trivia to support his silly argument that a 4-4 tie vote is really a loss.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Also, if Alex knew much about Australian politics he would know what happened when former Australian PM John Gorton called a vote of confidence in his own leadership and the vote was a tie. Gorton said "that is not a vote of confidence" and resigned.

Unfortunately for me, Gorton was a bit before my time in Australia. Try John Howard onward and I'll know what you're referring to. In any event, what Kevin fails to realize in his example is that Gorton resigned by choice.

If he had wanted to stay on, he could have. No one could have forced him to resign on the basis of a tie vote.

**antichrist** · 06-27-2011, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Because nobody is banned from OzChess, anyone who used to post here could easily make five posts about anything and then vote, without giving any reason for their vote. So your argument, if you had one, fails.

But I was referring to any election on the Bright Side - we all know that this place is like Monterey Music Festival - all love and hugs and free love, nude mud swimming, pot, hash, bongs

**MOZ** · 06-27-2011, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

But I was referring to any election on the Bright Side - we all know that this place is like Monterey Music Festival - all love and hugs and free love, nude mud swimming, pot, hash, bongs

hi a/c

You do such a fine job at the N.etL.ogistics site you could consider that as such a useful poster they might award naming rights to you.
Any names you would fancy that might be more relevant than chesschat?

Over to you.

**antichrist** · 06-27-2011, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

hi a/c

You do such a fine job at the N.etL.ogistics site you could consider that as such a useful poster they might award naming rights to you.
Any names you would fancy that might be more relevant than chesschat?

Over to you.

I am fighting the good fight over there for you guys, just check out my Off Topic in non chess- putting my head on the block I am

**antichrist** · 06-27-2011, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

It seems Kevin really, really, wants us to have fresh elections right now, instead of waiting until December. He is even referring some Australia political trivia to support his silly argument that a 4-4 tie vote is really a loss.

Unfortunately for me, Gorton was a bit before my time in Australia. Try John Howard onward and I'll know what you're referring to. In any event, what Kevin fails to realize in his example is that Gorton resigned by choice.

If he had wanted to stay on, he could have. No one could have forced him to resign on the basis of a tie vote.

Well it was admitted on the Norman Gunstan Show that John Gorton did not get his bond back at the lodge because he had chundered all over the walls of the toilet - so we don't want any chundering on this site or other thank you

**MOZ** · 06-27-2011, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

I am fighting the good fight over there for you guys, just check out my Off Topic in non chess- putting my head on the block I am

Must say I was very impressed by your campaign against the excesses of (the aptly named) sprout and against the chesschat rules being different for that poster.
You should be triumphant at least in the outcome of the cull of his shouts. Perhaps a complete cull of his shouts is over the top.
I am sure sprout had pride in his contributions and to find that all have been eliminated must irk his creative satisfaction.

**antichrist** · 06-28-2011, 01:15 AM

I did not see the poll, I would have voted to keep them - I was too busy fighting the good fight

**Pablito15** · 08-11-2011, 07:58 AM

Hi all,

Haven't been online much as I'm preparing to head overseas, unlikely to be online much when I'm over there! Perhaps someone should take over as moderator!?

I nominate the goat and give whoever takes over this advice- ban people. Actions need consequences and you will not clean up the site by following trouble-makers around with a pooper-scooper.
We should be able to question/berate chess administrators here without worrying, but no chess player or parent should receive abuse for whatever reason. It's a bad look for our game!

Cheers!
P

**Just2Good** · 08-11-2011, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Pablito15

Hi all,

Haven't been online much as I'm preparing to head overseas, unlikely to be online much when I'm over there! Perhaps someone should take over as moderator!?

I nominate the goat and give whoever takes over this advice- ban people. Actions need consequences and you will not clean up the site by following trouble-makers around with a pooper-scooper.
We should be able to question/berate chess administrators here without worrying, but no chess player or parent should receive abuse for whatever reason. It's a bad look for our game!

Cheers!
P

Are you going to California?

**antichrist** · 08-23-2011, 12:46 AM

KB is most upset that he cant vote coz his posts were deleted - not very good

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06-02-2011, 05:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Elections - June to December 2011 Its that time of year again were we at OzChess elect new moderators or keep the one's we currently have (who have done a splendid job). Once again we have the two stages, stage one is a vote on whether we just keep the current mods until voting again in six months time (December 2011). If that vote is no, then stage two is voting for individual mods. The rules are the same as always, you need five posts in the past 6 months to vote. Hydra votes are not allowed unless the main account has not voted. I would also like to thank the current elected mods for doing such a fantastic job over the past six months. Keeping trouble makers in check and spam under control is a tedious task, but one done with skill and grace by Pablito15, Jaydon, and Heartbreak Kid. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

06-02-2011, 06:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Hi, Mods are doing a good job. However, democracy is a good thing! Therefore, I vote for new elections. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

06-27-2011, 09:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Elected Mods to Continue Until December 2011 I see on the other site they are once again complaining about our democratic elections whilst not having any of their own. By way of explanation, the vote was 4 to 4. Antikiller did not have the posts required to vote, in fact he has made no posts at all. There was speculation he was a hydra of Brian's, but the ip address evidence does not confirm that and even if it did, the five posts in six month rule applies to all voting accounts, even hydra's. It is true that there was no rule about what transpires with a tie vote. However, the elected mods did not lose the mid-year vote of confidence. It was a tie. As they did not lose the vote, and as the time and effort in setting up a fresh poll is considerable, we will set a new precedent that a tie in the mid-year motion of confidence vote is effectively a win for the elected moderators. Accordingly, our elected mods are entitled to continue to serve until December 2011 when there will be fresh elections. It is the OzChess way. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

06-27-2011, 06:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	I have a dream that one day all people will be equal Originally Posted by Just2Good [font="Georgia"]I see on the other site they are once again complaining about our democratic elections whilst not having any of their own............ For the Bight Side to have a fair election any former members who may have been alienated and left should also have a vote. This is based on the principle that when people leave their homeland due to lack of rights and democracy, and eventually democracy comes to that country, though those emmigrants may live in for example Australia they still get a vote in their home counry. I am not inferring that this occurred but just out of principle, as KB states over there over there all principles of fairness should be adhered to. This gives the opportunity for anyone who felt such and left in silence being too timid to upset the apple cart by giving any reason. But I well appreciate that KB goes to extreme lengths to be fair.

06-27-2011, 06:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by antichrist For the Bight Side to have a fair election any former members who may have been alienated and left should also have a vote. This is based on the principle that when people leave their homeland due to lack of rights and democracy, and eventually democracy comes to that country, though those emmigrants may live in for example Australia they still get a vote in their home counry. I am not inferring that this occurred but just out of principle, as KB states over there over there all principles of fairness should be adhered to. This gives the opportunity for anyone who felt such and left in silence being too timid to upset the apple cart by giving any reason. But I well appreciate that KB goes to extreme lengths to be fair. Because nobody is banned from OzChess, anyone who used to post here could easily make five posts about anything and then vote, without giving any reason for their vote. So your argument, if you had one, fails. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

06-27-2011, 06:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	It seems Kevin really, really, wants us to have fresh elections right now, instead of waiting until December. He is even referring some Australia political trivia to support his silly argument that a 4-4 tie vote is really a loss. Originally Posted by Kevin Also, if Alex knew much about Australian politics he would know what happened when former Australian PM John Gorton called a vote of confidence in his own leadership and the vote was a tie. Gorton said "that is not a vote of confidence" and resigned. Unfortunately for me, Gorton was a bit before my time in Australia. Try John Howard onward and I'll know what you're referring to. In any event, what Kevin fails to realize in his example is that Gorton resigned by choice. If he had wanted to stay on, he could have. No one could have forced him to resign on the basis of a tie vote. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

06-27-2011, 06:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Just2Good Because nobody is banned from OzChess, anyone who used to post here could easily make five posts about anything and then vote, without giving any reason for their vote. So your argument, if you had one, fails. But I was referring to any election on the Bright Side - we all know that this place is like Monterey Music Festival - all love and hugs and free love, nude mud swimming, pot, hash, bongs

06-27-2011, 07:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by antichrist But I was referring to any election on the Bright Side - we all know that this place is like Monterey Music Festival - all love and hugs and free love, nude mud swimming, pot, hash, bongs hi a/c You do such a fine job at the N.etL.ogistics site you could consider that as such a useful poster they might award naming rights to you. Any names you would fancy that might be more relevant than chesschat? Over to you. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-27-2011, 07:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by MOZ hi a/c You do such a fine job at the N.etL.ogistics site you could consider that as such a useful poster they might award naming rights to you. Any names you would fancy that might be more relevant than chesschat? Over to you. I am fighting the good fight over there for you guys, just check out my Off Topic in non chess- putting my head on the block I am

06-27-2011, 07:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Just2Good It seems Kevin really, really, wants us to have fresh elections right now, instead of waiting until December. He is even referring some Australia political trivia to support his silly argument that a 4-4 tie vote is really a loss. Unfortunately for me, Gorton was a bit before my time in Australia. Try John Howard onward and I'll know what you're referring to. In any event, what Kevin fails to realize in his example is that Gorton resigned by choice. If he had wanted to stay on, he could have. No one could have forced him to resign on the basis of a tie vote. Well it was admitted on the Norman Gunstan Show that John Gorton did not get his bond back at the lodge because he had chundered all over the walls of the toilet - so we don't want any chundering on this site or other thank you

06-27-2011, 10:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	a/c wields the big stick apparently. Originally Posted by antichrist I am fighting the good fight over there for you guys, just check out my Off Topic in non chess- putting my head on the block I am Must say I was very impressed by your campaign against the excesses of (the aptly named) sprout and against the chesschat rules being different for that poster. You should be triumphant at least in the outcome of the cull of his shouts. Perhaps a complete cull of his shouts is over the top. I am sure sprout had pride in his contributions and to find that all have been eliminated must irk his creative satisfaction. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-28-2011, 01:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	I did not see the poll, I would have voted to keep them - I was too busy fighting the good fight

08-11-2011, 07:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	Hi all, Haven't been online much as I'm preparing to head overseas, unlikely to be online much when I'm over there! Perhaps someone should take over as moderator!? I nominate the goat and give whoever takes over this advice- ban people. Actions need consequences and you will not clean up the site by following trouble-makers around with a pooper-scooper. We should be able to question/berate chess administrators here without worrying, but no chess player or parent should receive abuse for whatever reason. It's a bad look for our game! Cheers! P __________________ My Blog!

08-11-2011, 10:02 AM	#14 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Pablito15 Hi all, Haven't been online much as I'm preparing to head overseas, unlikely to be online much when I'm over there! Perhaps someone should take over as moderator!? I nominate the goat and give whoever takes over this advice- ban people. Actions need consequences and you will not clean up the site by following trouble-makers around with a pooper-scooper. We should be able to question/berate chess administrators here without worrying, but no chess player or parent should receive abuse for whatever reason. It's a bad look for our game! Cheers! P Are you going to California? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

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08-23-2011, 12:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	KB is most upset that he cant vote coz his posts were deleted - not very good