Elections for 1 July to 31 December 2010 - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 07-01-2010, 01:11 AM

Okay, its that time of year again.

As elections are very time consuming and resource intensive, and there hasn't been much work for the current moderators, the election will be a one part, or two part vote. If the answer to the first question is no, then nominations will be called for and voted on. If its yes, then that won't be necessary. The above poll will be open for two weeks.

For what its worth, I think they've all done a fantastic job!

**Calvin** · 07-01-2010, 12:41 PM

They must be doing a good job because I haven't noticed any spam on this forum since I became a member.

**Firegoat7** · 07-01-2010, 12:47 PM

Hi,

Are we having an election? I think they all did a good job, but I still believe we ought to have democratic election every year just like all the chess clubs in Victoria. The democratic rejuvenation of our great Victorian chess clubs is one of the key reasons why chess is so strong in this state compared to the rest of Australia. I hope we continue to trust in the democracy, unlike that other forum.

cheers,

**Just2Good** · 07-01-2010, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Are we having an election? I think they all did a good job, but I still believe we ought to have democratic election every year just like all the chess clubs in Victoria. The democratic rejuvenation of our great Victorian chess clubs is one of the key reasons why chess is so strong in this state compared to the rest of Australia. I hope we continue to trust in the democracy, unlike that other forum.

cheers,

The election terms were supposed to be every six months, and 1 January to 30 June is now up. Nevertheless, I'd expect the current moderators to win this election convincingly as they have all done a superb job.

**Ehm TO** · 07-01-2010, 01:50 PM

This poll is a little misrepresenting. If one of the moderators was doing a bad job, then people may vote no and it would effect the other two unless you plan on holding a poll afterward that said which one was doing a bad job.

**Just2Good** · 07-01-2010, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by jdsingle

This poll is a little misrepresenting. If one of the moderators was doing a bad job, then people may vote no and it would effect the other two unless you plan on holding a poll afterward that said which one was doing a bad job.

If the No side wins, all moderator positions would be open for nomination and voting.

I guess in a way this is more of a vote of confidence, as opposed to a vote to change moderators. But that said, a vote to change government always comes after a vote of no confidence is passed. Likewise here. Thankfully everyone likes our moderators, including Bill Gletsos who has often been sparred a sure fire ban if my hands had been on the button.

Our moderators are so independent in fact, that I was once banned for 24 hours by Jaydon. I didn't have a problem with that, of course, because I was out of line. But it goes to show our moderators are fearless, patient, independent (not even answerable to myself), and most importantly - elected!

This transparency and accountability to the general membership is one of OzChess' key principles and hallmarks. We take great pride in that.

**Bill Gletsos** · 07-01-2010, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

The election terms were supposed to be every six months, and 1 January to 30 June is now up. Nevertheless, I'd expect the current moderators to win this election convincingly as they have all done a superb job.

You claimed there would be moderator elections every 6 months.

This isnt an election at all.

Also with the poll being a private as opposed to public poll there is nothing to stop you or anyone else with hydras using them to vote and skew the result.

**Bill Gletsos** · 07-01-2010, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Our moderators are so independent in fact, that I was once banned for 24 hours by Jaydon.

That had all the hallmarks of being simply a sham.

**Just2Good** · 07-01-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

You claimed there would be moderator elections every 6 months.

This isnt an election at all.

Its a perfectly valid and genuine election as promised. Please remind me whether I can vote against the moderators of Chess Chat like I can in this poll?

Also with the poll being a private as opposed to public poll there is nothing to stop you or anyone else with hydras using them to vote and skew the result.

An oversight on my part, but if there are any irregularities there, I would make them public.

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

That had all the hallmarks of being simply a sham.

Nonsense! I was too tough with AC and was deservedly banned for it for 24 hours. Anti-Christ didn't even come back to OzChess for about 3 months because it unsettled him so much. The incident demonstrated the independence and commitment of our elected moderators, and I respected the toss.

**Bill Gletsos** · 07-01-2010, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Its a perfectly valid and genuine election as promised.

No it isnt.
You promised an election.
Where is the call for candidates.
This isnt an election at all.

Originally Posted by Just2Good

An oversight on my part, but if there are any irregularities there, I would make them public.

Yeah sure you would.

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Nonsense! I was too tough with AC and was deservedly banned for it for 24 hours. Anti-Christ didn't even come back to OzChess for about 3 months because it unsettled him so much. The incident demonstrated the independence and commitment of our elected moderators, and I respected the toss.

You are deluding yourself if you think people will swallow this rubbish.

**Just2Good** · 07-01-2010, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Where is the call for candidates.

That comes after the current moderators lose the no confidence motion. And if they don't lose the confidence motion, then there will be no further poll until 31 December 2010.

**Jaydon** · 07-01-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Are we having an election? I think they all did a good job, but I still believe we ought to have democratic election every year just like all the chess clubs in Victoria.
cheers,

I would like to second that. I think there should be an election regardless.

Why Bill would care in the slightest about all this beats me though..

**Just2Good** · 07-01-2010, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

I would like to second that. I think there should be an election regardless.

Why Bill would care in the slightest about all this beats me though..

Its too much work for me, so unless the above poll shows there to be discontent with the current dream team, there is probably no need for brand new elections. I also have to organize the Poll of the Month winners, which is also a lot of work. Everything seems to fall to me to do all the work, so sometimes shortcuts are necessary because my time is limited.

**Bill Gletsos** · 07-01-2010, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

That comes after the current moderators lose the no confidence motion.

That isnt an election.
Their term was up as of the 30th June.
Your poll isnt an election by any stretch.

**Bill Gletsos** · 07-01-2010, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

Why Bill would care in the slightest about all this beats me though..

Because Alex continually rabbits on here about having moderator elections but when it comes to him having to organise it properly he is just too lazy.

View Poll Results: Do you support Jaydon, MikesGuns, & Heartbreak Kid continuing to serve as moderators until 31 Dec 10
Yes	5	100.00%
No	0	0%
No Comment / Refuse to Answer / Spoiled Ballot	0	0%
Voters: 5. You may not vote on this poll

07-01-2010, 01:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Elections for 1 July to 31 December 2010 Okay, its that time of year again. As elections are very time consuming and resource intensive, and there hasn't been much work for the current moderators, the election will be a one part, or two part vote. If the answer to the first question is no, then nominations will be called for and voted on. If its yes, then that won't be necessary. The above poll will be open for two weeks. For what its worth, I think they've all done a fantastic job! __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-01-2010, 12:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Hi, Are we having an election? I think they all did a good job, but I still believe we ought to have democratic election every year just like all the chess clubs in Victoria. The democratic rejuvenation of our great Victorian chess clubs is one of the key reasons why chess is so strong in this state compared to the rest of Australia. I hope we continue to trust in the democracy, unlike that other forum. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-01-2010, 01:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Are we having an election? I think they all did a good job, but I still believe we ought to have democratic election every year just like all the chess clubs in Victoria. The democratic rejuvenation of our great Victorian chess clubs is one of the key reasons why chess is so strong in this state compared to the rest of Australia. I hope we continue to trust in the democracy, unlike that other forum. cheers, The election terms were supposed to be every six months, and 1 January to 30 June is now up. Nevertheless, I'd expect the current moderators to win this election convincingly as they have all done a superb job. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-01-2010, 03:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Our Elected Moderators Do A Fine Job! Originally Posted by jdsingle This poll is a little misrepresenting. If one of the moderators was doing a bad job, then people may vote no and it would effect the other two unless you plan on holding a poll afterward that said which one was doing a bad job. If the No side wins, all moderator positions would be open for nomination and voting. I guess in a way this is more of a vote of confidence, as opposed to a vote to change moderators. But that said, a vote to change government always comes after a vote of no confidence is passed. Likewise here. Thankfully everyone likes our moderators, including Bill Gletsos who has often been sparred a sure fire ban if my hands had been on the button. Our moderators are so independent in fact, that I was once banned for 24 hours by Jaydon. I didn't have a problem with that, of course, because I was out of line. But it goes to show our moderators are fearless, patient, independent (not even answerable to myself), and most importantly - elected! This transparency and accountability to the general membership is one of OzChess' key principles and hallmarks. We take great pride in that. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-01-2010, 12:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 259	They must be doing a good job because I haven't noticed any spam on this forum since I became a member.

07-01-2010, 01:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ehm TO Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 314	This poll is a little misrepresenting. If one of the moderators was doing a bad job, then people may vote no and it would effect the other two unless you plan on holding a poll afterward that said which one was doing a bad job.

07-01-2010, 04:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Just2Good The election terms were supposed to be every six months, and 1 January to 30 June is now up. Nevertheless, I'd expect the current moderators to win this election convincingly as they have all done a superb job. You claimed there would be moderator elections every 6 months. This isnt an election at all. Also with the poll being a private as opposed to public poll there is nothing to stop you or anyone else with hydras using them to vote and skew the result.

07-01-2010, 04:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Just2Good Our moderators are so independent in fact, that I was once banned for 24 hours by Jaydon. That had all the hallmarks of being simply a sham.

07-01-2010, 04:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos You claimed there would be moderator elections every 6 months. This isnt an election at all. Its a perfectly valid and genuine election as promised. Please remind me whether I can vote against the moderators of Chess Chat like I can in this poll? Also with the poll being a private as opposed to public poll there is nothing to stop you or anyone else with hydras using them to vote and skew the result. An oversight on my part, but if there are any irregularities there, I would make them public. Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos That had all the hallmarks of being simply a sham. Nonsense! I was too tough with AC and was deservedly banned for it for 24 hours. Anti-Christ didn't even come back to OzChess for about 3 months because it unsettled him so much. The incident demonstrated the independence and commitment of our elected moderators, and I respected the toss. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-01-2010, 04:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Just2Good Its a perfectly valid and genuine election as promised. No it isnt. You promised an election. Where is the call for candidates. This isnt an election at all. Originally Posted by Just2Good An oversight on my part, but if there are any irregularities there, I would make them public. Yeah sure you would. Originally Posted by Just2Good Nonsense! I was too tough with AC and was deservedly banned for it for 24 hours. Anti-Christ didn't even come back to OzChess for about 3 months because it unsettled him so much. The incident demonstrated the independence and commitment of our elected moderators, and I respected the toss. You are deluding yourself if you think people will swallow this rubbish.

07-01-2010, 05:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	The Way This Works 101 - A Guide For Bill Gletsos Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Where is the call for candidates. That comes after the current moderators lose the no confidence motion. And if they don't lose the confidence motion, then there will be no further poll until 31 December 2010. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-01-2010, 05:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,098 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Are we having an election? I think they all did a good job, but I still believe we ought to have democratic election every year just like all the chess clubs in Victoria. cheers, I would like to second that. I think there should be an election regardless. Why Bill would care in the slightest about all this beats me though..

07-01-2010, 05:25 PM	#13 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Jaydon I would like to second that. I think there should be an election regardless. Why Bill would care in the slightest about all this beats me though.. Its too much work for me, so unless the above poll shows there to be discontent with the current dream team, there is probably no need for brand new elections. I also have to organize the Poll of the Month winners, which is also a lot of work. Everything seems to fall to me to do all the work, so sometimes shortcuts are necessary because my time is limited. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-01-2010, 05:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Just2Good That comes after the current moderators lose the no confidence motion. That isnt an election. Their term was up as of the 30th June. Your poll isnt an election by any stretch.

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07-01-2010, 05:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Jaydon Why Bill would care in the slightest about all this beats me though.. Because Alex continually rabbits on here about having moderator elections but when it comes to him having to organise it properly he is just too lazy.