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Old 03-14-2010, 09:03 AM   #211 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
Q. Is this relevant to matters here
A. No.

The decision was made soon after a minute dated late December 2009.
The Treasurer's report posted by Grant is February 2010.
The issues raised by the new Treasurer were all unknown to the Executive until he posted his report.


Just to refresh...the December minute was
4. Confirmed decisions taken
a. Web-site changes to current version
i. Upgrade frequency and timeliness of providing content to the web-master
ii. Review navigation
The frequency and timeliness processes have been changed.
Some changes to navigation have been made.
The look and feel remains as the same because template software is being used.

You will have noticed no new posts on this topic (CV web-site functionality changes) since . And the would-be other entrants into the market seem to have choked off their update enthusiasm.
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Originally Posted by MOZ View Post
A. No.

The decision was made soon after a minute dated late December 2009.
The Treasurer's report posted by Grant is February 2010.
The issues raised by the new Treasurer were all unknown to the Executive until he posted his report.


Just to refresh...the December minute was


The frequency and timeliness processes have been changed.
Some changes to navigation have been made.
The look and feel remains as the same because template software is being used.

You will have noticed no new posts on this topic (CV web-site functionality changes) since . And the would-be other entrants into the market seem to have choked off their update enthusiasm.
Is the new and improved CV website likely to dampen activity on this website, in so far as it pertains to Victorian chess related news?
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Interesting stuff Grant.

A couple of questions...

Originally Posted by Treasurer report
$ 500 sponsorship of MCC Cup Weekender in October
$ 100+ payment of all ratings fees on behalf of the MCC Cup Weekender in October.
My understanding (which may be wrong), is that sponsorship was the provision of a qualified arbiter, namely Gary Bekker. That cost being $500, which seemed rather expensive at the time. Is that correct?

How does the payment of the rating fee measure up to the MCC treasury report on the 2009 year?

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Originally Posted by Treasurer report
7 That the cheque book reside primarily with the treasurer, with specific release to another signatory only for the purpose of paying prize money and appearance fees.
Why do I find this a strange request?
Well it seems completely logical that the treasurer ought to be trusted with the cheque book. But normally two signatures are required for ALL financial transactions. Therefore why the clause of "...only for the purpose of paying prize money and appearance fees" ??

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Originally Posted by Treasurer report

Documents Withheld by Previous Treasurer

Obligation to maintain records

It was on 3 February that I became aware of the scope of Chess Victoria’s obligations. Chess Victoria is obliged to maintain adequate and accurate accounting records of financial transactions (Associations Incorporation Act 1981 (‘AIA81’), s. 30A). Accounting records are defined to include all documents triggering recognition of accounting entries or explaining how accounts are made up (AIA81, s. 1). Relevant documents are defined to include records, no matter how compiled, recorded or stored (AIA81, s. 1). The adequacy of records in terms of retention period can be gauged by the obligation to keep financial statements made to members for seven years (AIA81, s. 30(3), (3A), (3B) and (4A)).

Request for records

Accordingly on 3 February 2010 I made written (email) request to the previous treasurer for all treasury-related documents in his possession, including all electronic documents and records up to eight years old. He has not acknowledged or otherwise responded to this request although we have since had other email correspondence.

Prior to 3 February the previous treasurer provided to me specific documents in response to specific requests from me for information. These requests were triggered by anomalous information on MYOB. However, the previous treasurer did not accommodate all of my specific requests for treasury-related information. Four notable instances of his professional silence are:

• the 2009 balance sheet item ‘undeposited funds’ was $1,403, yet the bank deposit made on 2 October 2009 was for only $932 and some subsequent deposits from 22 October had been stripped of descriptions for some of their components: please explain the difference of $471

• [$150 of the $471 missing from above was explained by a deposit slip error once the bank gave me on 22 January a reprinted bank statement for the period 30 September to 2 October; it appears that the previous treasurer had earlier requested this odd two-day bank statement and then withheld it from me]


• the 2009 balance sheet item ‘cheque account’ was $13,716, yet the bank statement at 30 September showed only $12,815; the major contributing factor was revealed by MYOB to be an outstanding deposit of $1,530 on 3/10/2008 which was never banked; hard copy bank reconciliation statements prior to 30 November 2009 show no record of such an undeposited amount; a trial reconciliation report printed on 14/11/2009 but run as at 28/11/2008 also showed nil outstanding deposits; this suggests that the 3/10/2008 deposit of $1,530 never existed but was invented, recorded and subsequently purged in the fortnight prior to the November 2009 AGM: please explain

• a journal entry recognising undeposited funds of $180 dated 16/10/2009 contained an internal cash payment of $240 against an inactive 2002 revenue account; this had the effect of ‘disappearing’ $240 of cash belonging to the transaction; cash received was acknowledged to a number of schools; the true destination of the $240 is probably revealed by the journal entry description, which identifies the recipients as a ‘VK’ for $100 and ‘DH’ for $140; presumably these mean Victor Kildisas and David Haache, two current committee members: please explain.
I presume all this is simply about the current treasurer not being exactly happy with the current state of record keeping by the previous treasurer.
Nevertheless, I would like to hear Trevor's version of the four events. I am sure there are logical explanations.

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Originally Posted by Treasurer Report
4 That the committee resolve to press recipients of $3,210 of recent payments to either:
• provide the necessary PAYG-related documentation; or
• return the funds previously paid.
What does this relate towards?

Prize money?
ABN identification?

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Originally Posted by Firegoat7 View Post
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Interesting stuff Grant.

A couple of questions...



My understanding (which may be wrong), is that sponsorship was the provision of a qualified arbiter, namely Gary Bekker. That cost being $500, which seemed rather expensive at the time. Is that correct?

How does the payment of the rating fee measure up to the MCC treasury report on the 2009 year?

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From memory, the $500 sponsorship from CV was on the proviso that it would not be used for prize-money. It couldnt be used for rating fees because CV waved them anyway. Therefore it had to be used for paying the arbiter or advertising or admin costs. I would have to check through my old emails to give you an "exact answer", but Im pretty sure that this was how it was. I dont think that the whole lot of it went on the arbiter though, I think that some went on advertising and admin (printing flyers etc). Id have to double check that though.

How does the payment of the rating fee measure up the the MCC treasury report for 2009? I dont know - Im not even sure what you mean by that, but Pano (the MCC treasurer) would be able to tell you. We still had to pay the FIDE rating fee for the Cup Weekender - just not the ACF one (if my memory serves me correctly). In any case, Pano will be able to give you an exact answer on this one. His accounting and treasury practices are unbelievably accurate and transparent.
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Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges View Post
How does the payment of the rating fee measure up the the MCC treasury report for 2009? I dont know - Im not even sure what you mean by that, but Pano (the MCC treasurer) would be able to tell you.
The important thing to remember is that MCC has documented these figures, as was indicated by Pano at the MCC AGM. Therefore, MCC cannot under ANY condition be held accountable for any back payment to ChessVictoria in 2010 for any supposed receipt error (not that this action was necessarily going to occur) . The current Chess Victoria Treasurer is suggesting that there is a budget shortage on the ChessVictoria books, and that this was partially due to incomplete documentation in regards to this event. I am just making the point that this is an internal problem for ChessVictoria and has nothing to really do with MCC.

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We still had to pay the FIDE rating fee for the Cup Weekender - just not the ACF one (if my memory serves me correctly). In any case, Pano will be able to give you an exact answer on this one. His accounting and treasury practices are unbelievably accurate and transparent.
I seem to recall some discussion about this issue at the MCC AGM. The 2009 Melbourne cup weekender has been FIDE rated as indicated by Greg Canfell, which supports your statement. Therefore any potential fallout over the ACF rating fee is ChessVictoria's internal problem.

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Therefore, MCC cannot under ANY condition be held accountable for any back payment to ChessVictoria in 2010 for any supposed receipt error (not that this action was necessarily going to occur) .
Well, if the MCC benefitted from a CV error, isn't paying it back the honourable thing to do?
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Well, if the MCC benefitted from a CV error, isn't paying it back the honourable thing to do?
MCC hasnt benefitted from any CV error.... There were no errors in relation to the Cup Weekend if thats what you are implying.
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There has been a lack of team chess in Victoria over the past couple of years, and the CV executive have decided to try to remedy this. Team chess is an integral part of chess communities, and can be a great way for new players to be introduced into chess, while giving more experienced players a chance to play alongside their friends. In 2009, a new system is being trialed by CV in an attempt to make things as flexible as possible for teams and players. The details are published here.

In the recent past, league chess in Victoria has been based around one, or a couple of venues but this time around, there is to be a home and away system. There has been a grades or divisional system where this year there will be one big swiss event, which will hopefully lead to divisional chess in 2011. And although the teams are to be based at clubs, there is some flexibility for teams to be composed of players from different clubs. Finally, instead of dictating when the games will be played, the organisers will give a window of time for each round to be played, and it will be up to teams to arrange their matches.

After talking with CV President and some other club officials, it appears there may be about 15 teams from possibly at least 6 clubs. While this might seem like a modest start, it is at least a start, and I welcome the initiative. My club, the MCC, looks as if it will have 4 or 5 teams though there has been a mixed response….of course, team chess will not be for everybody, and there are players who cannot commit to any more than they are already giving to the game. Funnily enough, although I intend to play in the event, I’m still not sure which team I’ll be representing!
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Agenda for Executive meeting #2 of 2009/2010 Executive.
Thursday 18th March 7pm Chess Ideas premises.

1. Open meeting
2. Apologies
3. Outwards correspondence
a. Response re clocks
b. Response re School Teams proposal.
c. Presidents reports sent out via CV e-mail distribution list
d. Invitation to submit teams to Victorian Teams Tournament
4. To note recent events and decisions by other organisations:
a. Ballarat Begonia 2010
b. Australian Open 2011
c. Others, to be advised by any Executive member at the meeting.
5. Report by Treasurer
6. Each member of the Executive has accepted the need to occupy an operational position on the attached Organisation chart. The Secretary to bring the chart up-to-date. This task remains open as a replacement Secretary is yet to be found.
7. Inwards Correspondence
a. Cheque from Lexus sponsorship.
b. Correspondence (Frankston Chess Club request)
c. Other
8. Report on progress to establish Tournament Manager and Process document for the 2010 Team Championship.
9. Inward correspondence.
a. Access to CV records.
i. Importance of privacy and confidentiality
10. Event-hostings; status review:
i. The Victorian Championship
ii. The Victorian Open
iii. The Victorian Blitz
iv. The Victorian Interschool Finals
v. The Victorian Junior Titles
vi. The Teams Championship.
vii. The Victorian Masters
11. Set next meeting date and location.
12. Close meeting
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Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges View Post
1. the alleged "purging of MYOB transactions prior to Oct 1st 2009"
Nothing on the CV agenda.

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2. the alleged "withholding of financial documents by the 2009 treasurer"
Nothing on the CV agenda
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3. the alleged "fictious $1530"
Nothing on the CV agenda
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4. the alleged "$3500 ignored financial commitments in the Nov 2009 AGM budget"
Nothing on the CV agenda
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5. the alleged "overall loss of $9744"
Well it appears that the CV President has chased up the sponsorship from Lexus , so the figure may be reduced to $6,744.

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6. the alleged fact that "Chess Victoria’s financial position and financial trajectory are now quite different to the expectation accepted by members at the AGM less than three months ago. Both are worse, to the cumulative value of about $10,000 or 30% of the total equity reported at the AGM."
I suppose we will here about this from the treasurers report.
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7. the alleged payments to Leonid Sandler for $1626 and $2803 (Im not questioning the legitimacy of these, but I do think that they are quite high and that they could be explained in more detail - is it normal to pay someone this amount for organising a masters tournament and an interschool competition?)
I am very curious about these payments. They do seem rather expensive.

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P.S I noticed the CV agenda lists ....
9. Inward correspondence.
a. Access to CV records.
i. Importance of privacy and confidentiality
I certainly hope somebody speaks up about open democratic accountability because a transparent ChessVictoria is what the punters want!

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MCC hasnt benefitted from any CV error.
Oh. Okay, then there is nothing to be repaid.
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Nothing on the CV agenda.


Nothing on the CV agenda

Nothing on the CV agenda

Nothing on the CV agenda

Well it appears that the CV President has chased up the sponsorship from Lexus , so the figure may be reduced to $6,744.


I suppose we will here about this from the treasurers report.

I am very curious about these payments. They do seem rather expensive.

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P.S I noticed the CV agenda lists ....
9. Inward correspondence.
a. Access to CV records.
i. Importance of privacy and confidentiality
I certainly hope somebody speaks up about open democratic accountability because a transparent ChessVictoria is what the punters want!

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"Sobriquet" obviously has access to CV information.... I wonder who "Sobriquet" is.... Does anyone know?
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