No mention of MCC events on CV calendar! - OzChess

**Grant Szuveges** · 06-30-2011, 12:30 PM

On the 24th June, I was having a quick look at the CV 2011 calendar on the CV website and I noticed that not one MCC event was listed on the calendar! A number of other events such as the Ballarat Begonia Open and the Vic Open were listed but NOTHING at all from MCC.

The Doeberl Cup was listed, despite it not being run by a CV affiliated club. However the MCC ANZAC Day / Easter Weekender (on the same weekend) was not there, despite being run by a CV affiliated club (MCC).

The MCC Cup Weekender was not listed at all - even though the actual public holiday for the horse race was.... I dont remember Racing Victoria being a CV member, though MCC is and our tournament is not listed...

So, on that same day (June 24th) I wrote an email to Leonid Sandler and Trevor Stanning (aka MOZ) asking why MCC events were not on the calendar and if they could be added. However neither Leonid or Trevor have actually sent me an email back - despite having 6 days to do so....

This means that I have no choice but to publically announce this on both chess forums and embarrass them and their incompetent organisation (CV) for not doing their job properly.

CVs job is to promote chess in Victoria, and part of that is to promote CVs affiliated clubs events (including those of MCC). CV have been given MCCs calendar nearly a year ago, yet our events are still not listed on their calendar...

I urge the CV executive to either

1. start doing their job properly and give their member clubs their moneys worth.

OR

2. resign immediately and give somebody else the opportunity to run the organisation properly.

Cheers,
Grant Szuveges, Melbourne Chess Club President

**epacris longiflora** · 06-30-2011, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges

On the 24th June, I was having a quick look at the CV 2011 calendar on the CV website and I noticed that not one MCC event was listed on the calendar! A number of other events such as the Ballarat Begonia Open and the Vic Open were listed but NOTHING at all from MCC.

The Doeberl Cup was listed, despite it not being run by a CV affiliated club. However the MCC ANZAC Day / Easter Weekender (on the same weekend) was not there, despite being run by a CV affiliated club (MCC).

The MCC Cup Weekender was not listed at all - even though the actual public holiday for the horse race was.... I dont remember Racing Victoria being a CV member, though MCC is and our tournament is not listed...

So, on that same day (June 24th) I wrote an email to Leonid Sandler and Trevor Stanning (aka MOZ) asking why MCC events were not on the calendar and if they could be added. However neither Leonid or Trevor have actually sent me an email back - despite having 6 days to do so....

This means that I have no choice but to publically announce this on both chess forums and embarrass them and their incompetent organisation (CV) for not doing their job properly.

CVs job is to promote chess in Victoria, and part of that is to promote CVs affiliated clubs events (including those of MCC). CV have been given MCCs calendar nearly a year ago, yet our events are still not listed on their calendar...

I urge the CV executive to either

1. start doing their job properly and give their member clubs their moneys worth.

OR

2. resign immediately and give somebody else the opportunity to run the organisation properly.

Cheers,
Grant Szuveges, Melbourne Chess Club President

There are no events from the Canterbury/ Box Hill calendar 2011 Calendar, nor the Croydon calendar http://www.croydonchess.com/Calendar...S/Default.aspx, nor Noble Park.
My guess 'under construction' means 'under-construction recovering from recent notified hack'.

**Grant Szuveges** · 06-30-2011, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by epacris longiflora

There are no events from the Canterbury/ Box Hill calendar 2011 Calendar, nor the Croydon calendar Calendar, nor Noble Park.
My guess 'under construction' means 'under-construction recovering from recent notified hack'.

Actually, the Canterbury Summer Swiss is on there, but no other event from BHCC/CJCC or Croyden or Noble Park are there either - just shows some more evidence of CV not doing their job properly...

**Grant Szuveges** · 06-30-2011, 04:43 PM

Breaking news!

Since my original post this morning, the word "cancelled" has been added to the yellow box on the calendar advertising the Canterbury Summer Swiss (one of the few tournaments that the calendar actually was advertising)! Progress is obviously being made - at the rate of one word per half day.... Its bad luck for any events that were not listed which have fallen in the first half of the year - why they are still constructing a 2011 calendar when 2011 is half over is anyones guess...

**Just2Good** · 06-30-2011, 08:01 PM

I am not sure why you are so worked up about this issue. Have you tried contacting CV's calendar editor and webmaster to get some answers from the persons responsible?

This was probably just an oversight, or simple complacency. I do not think the MCC was being targeted or intentionally snubbed.

**Firegoat7** · 06-30-2011, 08:53 PM

Hi Grant,

I tend to agree with J2G about this issue. I am not sure why you are getting so worked up about the calender. Although I do admit that if you are going to have a calender it ought to be accurate and factually representative. I think J2G has offered the correct approach. Contact the Vic webmaster and give them a copy of the MCC calender. They are probably just a bit overworked at the moment.

cheers,

**MOZ** · 07-01-2011, 12:21 PM

Thanks Jaydon with deleting the post (header only remaining between posts #4 and #5).

By your action Ozchess has maintain a sense of respecting the privacy of an e-mail message.
PMs and private mails are only off-limits for publication if

as a chatboard community we agree they are off limits
we have quick alert moderators who detect publication of an e-mail has been made without approval from the sender.

You have set the standard higher than chesschat who still display.

**antichrist** · 07-01-2011, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Thanks Jaydon with deleting the post (header only remaining between posts #4 and #5).

By your action Ozchess has maintain a sense of respecting the privacy of an e-mail message.
PMs and private mails are only off-limits for publication if
as a chatboard community we agree they are off limits

we have quick alert moderators who detect publication of an e-mail has been made without approval from the sender.

You have set the standard higher than chesschat who still display.

Your mate KB has really seen red over this and has wallopped you on bright side and serves you right

**MOZ** · 07-03-2011, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Your mate KB has really seen red over this and has wallopped you on bright side and serves you right

Well, he did go ballistic didn't he.

Thanks for referring me to it btw, I was actually congratulating Jaydon's moderation, and just remarking that it was more protective of privacy than that still on display at chesschat.

But, while I have got you there, perhaps you can help me with this dilemma;
KB says he did not understand my post, but at the same time he is sure I am wrong. How can that be a/c? How can he be sure I am wrong but not understand what I said? That suggests he is just in an arroyo.

Oh, and yes, you can forget KB's necromancing; that is just him saying he can remember when.

**Just2Good** · 07-03-2011, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by MOZ

KB says he did not understand my post, but at the same time he is sure I am wrong. How can that be a/c?

A classic case of KB having his cake, and eating it too. For the record MOZ, I perfectly understood what you were saying. Its perplexing KB needed clarification to understand something so simple.

**The Informer** · 07-03-2011, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Well, he did go ballistic didn't he.

Thanks for referring me to it btw, I was actually congratulating Jaydon's moderation, and just remarking that it was more protective of privacy than that still on display at chesschat.

But, while I have got you there, perhaps you can help me with this dilemma;
KB says he did not understand my post, but at the same time he is sure I am wrong. How can that be a/c? How can he be sure I am wrong but not understand what I said? That suggests he is just in an arroyo.

Oh, and yes, you can forget KB's necromancing; that is just him saying he can remember when.

Yes, Jaydon's standard is higher than chesschat.

Actually I wanted to give another statement that would confirm that ozchessforum has higher standards.

Check this link; Gold Coast Open 2011 - Page 3 - Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum # post313139

03-07-2011 03.10 PM
It was the AC who complained to the data published at Gold Coast Open thread with the dates of birth of all participants.

But no one responded to the complaint, not even the mods

.
AC wrote:
'Providing those days birth certainly helps identity theft'

I would be very concerned that my name and date of birth is published on the Internet without my permission.

**The Informer** · 07-03-2011, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by The Informer

Yes, Jaydon's standard is higher than chesschat.

Actually I wanted to give another statement that would confirm that ozchessforum has higher standards.

Check this link; Gold Coast Open 2011 - Page 3 - Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum # post313139

03-07-2011 03.10 PM

It was the AC who complained to the data published at Gold Coast Open thread with the dates of birth of all participants.

But no one responded to the complaint, not even the mods .
AC wrote:
'Providing those days birth certainly helps identity theft'

I would be very concerned that my name and date of birth is published on the Internet without my permission.

Yes, Ozchessforum standard is higher than chesschat
Hahahhhahahhhaha.

KB deleted the link which has been displayed for weeks just a couple of minutes ago. He even gave the notice about future posting.

03-07-2011 04.00 PM

Well done AC.

**MOZ** · 07-04-2011, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Your mate KB has really seen red over this and has wallopped you on bright side and serves you right

Looks like you have thrown your lot in with chesschat.

Privacy is an interesting journalistic issue.

Until Jaydon formalises how he made his judgement to delete Grant's post we can only guess at Jaydon's position on each of

quoting verbatim an e-mail
soft paraphrasing an e-mail without attribution.
soft paraphrasing an e-mail with attribution
hard paraphrasing an e-mail without attribution
hard paraphrasing an e-mail with attribution
abridging an e-mail with the risk of removing context
abridging an e-mail with the risk of not addressing all relevant points.

The evidence we have is that Jaydon reviewed the e-mail and decided that there were parts exposed that offended his sense of fairness on privacy. The post failed to meet Jaydon's standard, and it was deleted.

The same post is still on display at chesschat. It is clear who has the lower standards of privacy.

Have a nice swim tomorrow a/c, and stay clear of any arroyo.

MOZ*

**antichrist** · 07-04-2011, 11:58 AM

I throw my lot in with whoever feeds me. I am known to turn for a sausage sizzle, did it to a mate and he has never forgiven me.

And yes it appears that it is going to be wonderful swimming in about 2 hours after place warmed up bit more. Already checked surf out and is looking brilliant, the water is anyway. Only a wisp of breeze, the tide will be more in as too low now - bring your budgee smugglers

Now what were we talking about I forget

**MOZ** · 07-06-2011, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

I throw my lot in with whoever feeds me. I am known to turn for a sausage sizzle, did it to a mate and he has never forgiven me.

And that lot censored you for your trouble. It was ok to be a carrier pigeon if you made comment, was the old rule. Your comment this time was that your expressed a judgement on the debate, but in comes a new rule (just for you apparently) that your expressed judgement is 'vacuous cheerleading'. You should toll them for each new rule written to help with their meeting quota.

And yes it appears that it is going to be wonderful swimming in about 2 hours after place warmed up bit more. Already checked surf out and is looking brilliant, the water is anyway. Only a wisp of breeze, the tide will be more in as too low now - bring your budgee smugglers

Pass

Now what were we talking about I forget

I think we finished matey. There was an attempt to argue that Jaydon's privacy is not really privacy, (but something else like discretion). But whatever the standard is to be called, Grant's post failed inspection under Jaydon's standard but is still on display on the weaker chesschat standard.

The bottom line is that you are better advised trading private mails on Ozchess than elsewhere. Young Jaydon is commendably strict; as he showed in the Gold Coast case too.

06-30-2011, 12:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Grant Szuveges Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,003	No mention of MCC events on CV calendar! On the 24th June, I was having a quick look at the CV 2011 calendar on the CV website and I noticed that not one MCC event was listed on the calendar! A number of other events such as the Ballarat Begonia Open and the Vic Open were listed but NOTHING at all from MCC. The Doeberl Cup was listed, despite it not being run by a CV affiliated club. However the MCC ANZAC Day / Easter Weekender (on the same weekend) was not there, despite being run by a CV affiliated club (MCC). The MCC Cup Weekender was not listed at all - even though the actual public holiday for the horse race was.... I dont remember Racing Victoria being a CV member, though MCC is and our tournament is not listed... So, on that same day (June 24th) I wrote an email to Leonid Sandler and Trevor Stanning (aka MOZ) asking why MCC events were not on the calendar and if they could be added. However neither Leonid or Trevor have actually sent me an email back - despite having 6 days to do so.... This means that I have no choice but to publically announce this on both chess forums and embarrass them and their incompetent organisation (CV) for not doing their job properly. CVs job is to promote chess in Victoria, and part of that is to promote CVs affiliated clubs events (including those of MCC). CV have been given MCCs calendar nearly a year ago, yet our events are still not listed on their calendar... I urge the CV executive to either 1. start doing their job properly and give their member clubs their moneys worth. OR 2. resign immediately and give somebody else the opportunity to run the organisation properly. Cheers, Grant Szuveges, Melbourne Chess Club President __________________ People who have nothing to hide post using their real names... Last edited by Grant Szuveges : 06-30-2011 at 12:32 PM Reason: spelling error

06-30-2011, 02:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
epacris longiflora Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mana Posts: 28	Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges On the 24th June, I was having a quick look at the CV 2011 calendar on the CV website and I noticed that not one MCC event was listed on the calendar! A number of other events such as the Ballarat Begonia Open and the Vic Open were listed but NOTHING at all from MCC. The Doeberl Cup was listed, despite it not being run by a CV affiliated club. However the MCC ANZAC Day / Easter Weekender (on the same weekend) was not there, despite being run by a CV affiliated club (MCC). The MCC Cup Weekender was not listed at all - even though the actual public holiday for the horse race was.... I dont remember Racing Victoria being a CV member, though MCC is and our tournament is not listed... So, on that same day (June 24th) I wrote an email to Leonid Sandler and Trevor Stanning (aka MOZ) asking why MCC events were not on the calendar and if they could be added. However neither Leonid or Trevor have actually sent me an email back - despite having 6 days to do so.... This means that I have no choice but to publically announce this on both chess forums and embarrass them and their incompetent organisation (CV) for not doing their job properly. CVs job is to promote chess in Victoria, and part of that is to promote CVs affiliated clubs events (including those of MCC). CV have been given MCCs calendar nearly a year ago, yet our events are still not listed on their calendar... I urge the CV executive to either 1. start doing their job properly and give their member clubs their moneys worth. OR 2. resign immediately and give somebody else the opportunity to run the organisation properly. Cheers, Grant Szuveges, Melbourne Chess Club President There are no events from the Canterbury/ Box Hill calendar 2011 Calendar, nor the Croydon calendar http://www.croydonchess.com/Calendar...S/Default.aspx, nor Noble Park. My guess 'under construction' means 'under-construction recovering from recent notified hack'.

06-30-2011, 04:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Grant Szuveges Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,003	Originally Posted by epacris longiflora There are no events from the Canterbury/ Box Hill calendar 2011 Calendar, nor the Croydon calendar Calendar, nor Noble Park. My guess 'under construction' means 'under-construction recovering from recent notified hack'. Actually, the Canterbury Summer Swiss is on there, but no other event from BHCC/CJCC or Croyden or Noble Park are there either - just shows some more evidence of CV not doing their job properly... __________________ People who have nothing to hide post using their real names...

06-30-2011, 04:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
Grant Szuveges Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,003	Breaking news! Breaking news! Since my original post this morning, the word "cancelled" has been added to the yellow box on the calendar advertising the Canterbury Summer Swiss (one of the few tournaments that the calendar actually was advertising)! Progress is obviously being made - at the rate of one word per half day.... Its bad luck for any events that were not listed which have fallen in the first half of the year - why they are still constructing a 2011 calendar when 2011 is half over is anyones guess... __________________ People who have nothing to hide post using their real names...

06-30-2011, 08:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	I am not sure why you are so worked up about this issue. Have you tried contacting CV's calendar editor and webmaster to get some answers from the persons responsible? This was probably just an oversight, or simple complacency. I do not think the MCC was being targeted or intentionally snubbed. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

06-30-2011, 08:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Hi Grant, I tend to agree with J2G about this issue. I am not sure why you are getting so worked up about the calender. Although I do admit that if you are going to have a calender it ought to be accurate and factually representative. I think J2G has offered the correct approach. Contact the Vic webmaster and give them a copy of the MCC calender. They are probably just a bit overworked at the moment. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-01-2011, 12:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Thanks Jaydon with deleting the post (header only remaining between posts #4 and #5). By your action Ozchess has maintain a sense of respecting the privacy of an e-mail message. PMs and private mails are only off-limits for publication if as a chatboard community we agree they are off limits we have quick alert moderators who detect publication of an e-mail has been made without approval from the sender. You have set the standard higher than chesschat who still display. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

07-01-2011, 07:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by MOZ Thanks Jaydon with deleting the post (header only remaining between posts #4 and #5). By your action Ozchess has maintain a sense of respecting the privacy of an e-mail message. PMs and private mails are only off-limits for publication if as a chatboard community we agree they are off limits we have quick alert moderators who detect publication of an e-mail has been made without approval from the sender. You have set the standard higher than chesschat who still display. Your mate KB has really seen red over this and has wallopped you on bright side and serves you right

07-03-2011, 12:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Jaydon's standard is higher than chesschat. Originally Posted by antichrist Your mate KB has really seen red over this and has wallopped you on bright side and serves you right Well, he did go ballistic didn't he. Thanks for referring me to it btw, I was actually congratulating Jaydon's moderation, and just remarking that it was more protective of privacy than that still on display at chesschat. But, while I have got you there, perhaps you can help me with this dilemma; KB says he did not understand my post, but at the same time he is sure I am wrong. How can that be a/c? How can he be sure I am wrong but not understand what I said? That suggests he is just in an arroyo. Oh, and yes, you can forget KB's necromancing; that is just him saying he can remember when. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

07-03-2011, 09:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by MOZ KB says he did not understand my post, but at the same time he is sure I am wrong. How can that be a/c? A classic case of KB having his cake, and eating it too. For the record MOZ, I perfectly understood what you were saying. Its perplexing KB needed clarification to understand something so simple. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-03-2011, 04:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
The Informer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 23	Originally Posted by MOZ Well, he did go ballistic didn't he. Thanks for referring me to it btw, I was actually congratulating Jaydon's moderation, and just remarking that it was more protective of privacy than that still on display at chesschat. But, while I have got you there, perhaps you can help me with this dilemma; KB says he did not understand my post, but at the same time he is sure I am wrong. How can that be a/c? How can he be sure I am wrong but not understand what I said? That suggests he is just in an arroyo. Oh, and yes, you can forget KB's necromancing; that is just him saying he can remember when. Yes, Jaydon's standard is higher than chesschat. Actually I wanted to give another statement that would confirm that ozchessforum has higher standards. Check this link; Gold Coast Open 2011 - Page 3 - Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum # post313139 03-07-2011 03.10 PM It was the AC who complained to the data published at Gold Coast Open thread with the dates of birth of all participants. But no one responded to the complaint, not even the mods . AC wrote: 'Providing those days birth certainly helps identity theft' I would be very concerned that my name and date of birth is published on the Internet without my permission. Last edited by The Informer : 07-03-2011 at 06:29 PM

07-03-2011, 05:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
The Informer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 23	Originally Posted by The Informer Yes, Jaydon's standard is higher than chesschat. Actually I wanted to give another statement that would confirm that ozchessforum has higher standards. Check this link; Gold Coast Open 2011 - Page 3 - Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum # post313139 03-07-2011 03.10 PM It was the AC who complained to the data published at Gold Coast Open thread with the dates of birth of all participants. But no one responded to the complaint, not even the mods . AC wrote: 'Providing those days birth certainly helps identity theft' I would be very concerned that my name and date of birth is published on the Internet without my permission. Yes, Ozchessforum standard is higher than chesschat Hahahhhahahhhaha. KB deleted the link which has been displayed for weeks just a couple of minutes ago. He even gave the notice about future posting. 03-07-2011 04.00 PM Well done AC. Last edited by The Informer : 07-03-2011 at 06:40 PM

07-04-2011, 12:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by antichrist Your mate KB has really seen red over this and has wallopped you on bright side and serves you right Looks like you have thrown your lot in with chesschat. Privacy is an interesting journalistic issue. Until Jaydon formalises how he made his judgement to delete Grant's post we can only guess at Jaydon's position on each of quoting verbatim an e-mail soft paraphrasing an e-mail without attribution. soft paraphrasing an e-mail with attribution hard paraphrasing an e-mail without attribution hard paraphrasing an e-mail with attribution abridging an e-mail with the risk of removing context abridging an e-mail with the risk of not addressing all relevant points. The evidence we have is that Jaydon reviewed the e-mail and decided that there were parts exposed that offended his sense of fairness on privacy. The post failed to meet Jaydon's standard, and it was deleted. The same post is still on display at chesschat. It is clear who has the lower standards of privacy. Have a nice swim tomorrow a/c, and stay clear of any arroyo. MOZ* __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

07-04-2011, 11:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	I throw my lot in with whoever feeds me. I am known to turn for a sausage sizzle, did it to a mate and he has never forgiven me. And yes it appears that it is going to be wonderful swimming in about 2 hours after place warmed up bit more. Already checked surf out and is looking brilliant, the water is anyway. Only a wisp of breeze, the tide will be more in as too low now - bring your budgee smugglers Now what were we talking about I forget

07-06-2011, 05:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by antichrist I throw my lot in with whoever feeds me. I am known to turn for a sausage sizzle, did it to a mate and he has never forgiven me. And that lot censored you for your trouble. It was ok to be a carrier pigeon if you made comment, was the old rule. Your comment this time was that your expressed a judgement on the debate, but in comes a new rule (just for you apparently) that your expressed judgement is 'vacuous cheerleading'. You should toll them for each new rule written to help with their meeting quota. And yes it appears that it is going to be wonderful swimming in about 2 hours after place warmed up bit more. Already checked surf out and is looking brilliant, the water is anyway. Only a wisp of breeze, the tide will be more in as too low now - bring your budgee smugglers Pass Now what were we talking about I forget I think we finished matey. There was an attempt to argue that Jaydon's privacy is not really privacy, (but something else like discretion). But whatever the standard is to be called, Grant's post failed inspection under Jaydon's standard but is still on display on the weaker chesschat standard. The bottom line is that you are better advised trading private mails on Ozchess than elsewhere. Young Jaydon is commendably strict; as he showed in the Gold Coast case too. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

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