CV's Upcoming Australasian Masters Event at Rochester Road - OzChess

**Grant Szuveges** · 11-24-2010, 11:50 PM

It has come to my attention, that Chess Victoria have recently organised a tournament named "The Australasian Masters" which is to be held at Rochester Road (home of Box Hill and Cantebury Chess Clubs). The tournament is a round robin event with 10 players. 6 of these 10 players live in Melbourne, and of the 6, 4 are members of the Melbourne Chess Club:

James Morris (MCC member)
Carl Gorka (MCC member)
Mirko Rujevic (MCC member)
Bobby Cheng (MCC and BHCC member)
Erik Teichmann (non member)
Eddie Levi (non member)

To add to this, one of the non-members actually lives around the corner from the Melbourne Chess Club.

Only one of these players is a member of either of the Rochester Road clubs...

Yet despite all of this, the Melbourne Chess Club was never offered the chance to run this event. Why? I dont know...

I would have thought that CV should be helping its clubs in a fair manner, rather than just giving an event to whoever they please.

To add insult to injury, Box Hill Chess Club apparently couldnt actually run some of the rounds of the event - yet instead of offering MCC the opportunity to run them, those rounds are being held at Chess Ideas headquarters.... Melbourne Chess Club couldve (and wouldve) run every single round of this tournament if asked - yet for whatever reason, we were simply not asked.....

Why is it that the biggest chess club in Victoria (154 members) is not being given this opportunity? Instead, the Rochester Road clubs (approx 100 members between them) have the opportunity...... Does this really represent the interests of Victorian chess players???

If this is because the Rochester Road clubs and Chess Ideas have put money into the event, then fair enough - although MCC wouldve at least liked to have been asked.... However if not, then I would like the president of CV, Leonid Sandler, to PLEASE EXPLAIN......

**MOZ** · 11-25-2010, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges

It has come to my attention, that Chess Victoria have recently organised a tournament named "The Australasian Masters" which is to be held at Rochester Road (home of Box Hill and Cantebury Chess Clubs). The tournament is a round robin event with 10 players. 6 of these 10 players live in Melbourne, and of the 6, 4 are members of the Melbourne Chess Club:

James Morris (MCC member)
Carl Gorka (MCC member)
Mirko Rujevic (MCC member)
Bobby Cheng (MCC and BHCC member)
Erik Teichmann (non member)
Eddie Levi (non member)

To add to this, one of the non-members actually lives around the corner from the Melbourne Chess Club.

Only one of these players is a member of either of the Rochester Road clubs...

Yet despite all of this, the Melbourne Chess Club was never offered the chance to run this event. Why? I dont know...

I would have thought that CV should be helping its clubs in a fair manner, rather than just giving an event to whoever they please.

To add insult to injury, Box Hill Chess Club apparently couldnt actually run some of the rounds of the event - yet instead of offering MCC the opportunity to run them, those rounds are being held at Chess Ideas headquarters.... Melbourne Chess Club couldve (and wouldve) run every single round of this tournament if asked - yet for whatever reason, we were simply not asked.....

Why is it that the biggest chess club in Victoria (154 members) is not being given this opportunity? Instead, the Rochester Road clubs (approx 100 members between them) have the opportunity...... Does this really represent the interests of Victorian chess players???

If this is because the Rochester Road clubs and Chess Ideas have put money into the event, then fair enough - although MCC wouldve at least liked to have been asked.... However if not, then I would like the president of CV, Leonid Sandler, to PLEASE EXPLAIN......

Grant, Leonid does not post on Ozchess so can I comment please.

Your premise is incorrect.
The Australasian Masters is not a Chess Victoria event.
It is instead an event that is under-written by a private promoter (Leonid), and is funded by wherever he can raise the dosh.

In a similar way that Barboros Kara ran the Cup Week-ender as a privateer and was supported by various sources of funds. In fact, on one occasion John had difficulty with the St Kilda venues, and funding, and we (BHCC) were pressed into donating a venue on that occasion too.

BHCC is giving the venue as a support to this Australasian Masters as it is a long running, valuable event that is always in near-penury.

Last year Leonid even got sponsorship from FIDE themselves (500 euro from memory); showing how wide he has to cast his fund-raising net.

regards
Mexican OZ

ps There you go, a whole post and I didn't use the nick Sandman once.

**JaK** · 11-25-2010, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Your premise is incorrect.
The Australasian Masters is not a Chess Victoria event.
[/color]

Isn't it?
Looking at

Originally Posted by The Absolutely Remarkable Site AKA the CV website

This year the CV executive has accepted responsibility for the Australasian Masters which it will hold in December 2010

I think Grant has every right to think it is!
Include the President of BHCC in the list who also believe this is the case!
BTW, have you been authorised by CV to discuss this matter publicly?
If yes, get your facts right, if not let Sobriquet to do the job!

**Just2Good** · 11-25-2010, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges

Yet despite all of this, the Melbourne Chess Club was never offered the chance to run this event. Why?

The decision was taken after serious consideration of all the relevant facts and circumstances. After a lengthy and considerable contemplation, it was determined that the Box Hill Chess Club would be the best suited chess club to run this event.

**MOZ** · 11-25-2010, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by JaK

Isn't it?

No

Originally Posted by JaK

Looking at

I think Grant has every right to think it is!

I didn't question his right to think it is.
I simply said his premise was incorrect.

Originally Posted by JaK

Include the President of BHCC in the list who also believe this is the case!

An issue would not be an issue if everyone saw the same case.
That is what makes debate and analysis so interesting.

Originally Posted by JaK

BTW, have you been authorised by CV to discuss this matter publicly?

Well, no.
Should each of us seek their approval?

Originally Posted by JaK

If yes, get your facts right,...

Minute of meeting held 26/8/2010, subsection 9e (not the agenda item, but the minuted decision <#377 in this thread>), "CV Executive voted to continue support at the level of last year by rolling the Victorian Masters into this composite event.". For 2009, the tournament was as I described in the initial response to Grant. This minute confirms no structural change in 2010 from 2009. And indeed why would the structure of the event change given that it is an invitational. If CV did take over governance of this event it would have a very difficult time justifying to the general chess playing public why it owned a restricted invitational event.

Originally Posted by JaK

...

Mexican OZ

**Grant Szuveges** · 11-25-2010, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

The Australasian Masters is not a Chess Victoria event.
It is instead an event that is under-written by a private promoter (Leonid), and is funded by wherever he can raise the dosh.

ps There you go, a whole post and I didn't use the nick Sandman once.

If it is not a CV event, then I apologise to Leonid and CV, however it seems that this is being disputed a bit (see Elliots post at 11.21am), so my apology is conditional on this being clarrified.

Great to see that "Sandman" wasnt mentioned - keep up the good work!

**antichrist** · 11-25-2010, 09:09 PM

On the Bright Side of Moon they are a bit muffed that most CV stuff is on this site - that is not the official chess site.

Do a swap that they also post the ratings over here.

After that you can exchange wives as well - I am in good form

**MOZ** · 11-25-2010, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

On the Bright Side of Moon they are a bit muffed that most CV stuff is on this site - that is not the official chess site.

Good evening a/c

I did a metric check on what you claim, and your contention does not stand up matey.
I saw active threads called

2010 CV AGM
Victorian Teams Championship
Croydon Championship
Cv
MCC A new Era

And I noticed they have the Sandman posting.

How could they possibly be miffed? <Btw, I am presuming your use of 'muffed' is just a ....is a ....ah,... no,....I can't write that. Will PM you if you wish.>

Originally Posted by antichrist

Do a swap that they also post the ratings over here.

Nah. Give us the quality stuff instead

Hangman
Sprouty's weather reports from Arizona
Does God Exist

and then the NOW forum would really zing.

Originally Posted by antichrist

After that you can exchange wives as well - I am in good form

I guess in your case you are looking for a serial deal?

**MOZ** · 11-26-2010, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges

If it is not a CV event, then I apologise to Leonid and CV, however it seems that this is being disputed a bit (see Elliots post at 11.21am), so my apology is conditional on this being clarrified.

Great to see that "Sandman" wasnt mentioned - keep up the good work!

Grant

I guess JaK will return with a confirmed clarification.

I am sure it is a private international promotion with welcome support from 4 sponsors. Similar as I mentioned before to the Cup week-enders that were successful under John Kara.

regards
MOZ*

**JaK** · 11-26-2010, 11:02 AM

here it is

Originally Posted by CV website

This year the CV executive has accepted responsibility for the Australasian Masters which it will hold in December 2010

**MOZ** · 11-26-2010, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by JaK

here it is

No
That is simply the probable source of Grant's original incorrect premise.

**Just2Good** · 11-26-2010, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

On the Bright Side of Moon they are a bit muffed that most CV stuff is on this site

Well Victorians have good taste!

But I still require you to prove this with a link or quoting a CC member who said this. Cross quoting allowed without restriction on OzChess!

Originally Posted by MOZ

Nah. Give us the quality stuff instead

Hangman

Sprouty's weather reports from Arizona

Does God Exist

Actually, that's the rubbish that keeps their forum from growing. I am much more content having a chess focussed forum here on OzChess, instead of a - Let's discuss mostly non-chess topics - focussed forum like they have.

**JaK** · 11-26-2010, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

No
That is simply the probable source of Grant's original incorrect premise.

Nop, that's another proof that you keep on obfuscating aimlessly!
You are worse than SOBriquet!
Correction: Not when he ventures into predictions!

**MOZ** · 11-26-2010, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by JaK

Nop, that's another proof that you keep on obfuscating aimlessly!
You are worse than SOBriquet!
Correction: Not when he ventures into predictions!

There is no obsufcation JaK.

The issue is clear.
The event was privately organised in 2009; I know, I was the CV Treasurer.
In fact it was privately organised in the recent years before the 2009.
I have confirmed with Leonid this morning that the Executive minute I have quoted means no change in responsibility for 2010.

What you are quoting from the web-site is simply not the arrangement for the 2010 Masters. The page needs a change imho.

You are letting your ad hominen get the better of your logic process.
Each time you use an ad hominen you show your weakness of evidence for your view on this issue.
Come back with your next view only after you have talked with the tournament organiser, Leonid.

**Grant Szuveges** · 11-26-2010, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by JaK

here it is

So, on their very own website, CV are taking responsibility for an event that they are not even running??? Wait til Cordover hears about this!!!

11-24-2010, 11:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Grant Szuveges Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,003	CV's Upcoming Australasian Masters Event at Rochester Road It has come to my attention, that Chess Victoria have recently organised a tournament named "The Australasian Masters" which is to be held at Rochester Road (home of Box Hill and Cantebury Chess Clubs). The tournament is a round robin event with 10 players. 6 of these 10 players live in Melbourne, and of the 6, 4 are members of the Melbourne Chess Club: James Morris (MCC member) Carl Gorka (MCC member) Mirko Rujevic (MCC member) Bobby Cheng (MCC and BHCC member) Erik Teichmann (non member) Eddie Levi (non member) To add to this, one of the non-members actually lives around the corner from the Melbourne Chess Club. Only one of these players is a member of either of the Rochester Road clubs... Yet despite all of this, the Melbourne Chess Club was never offered the chance to run this event. Why? I dont know... I would have thought that CV should be helping its clubs in a fair manner, rather than just giving an event to whoever they please. To add insult to injury, Box Hill Chess Club apparently couldnt actually run some of the rounds of the event - yet instead of offering MCC the opportunity to run them, those rounds are being held at Chess Ideas headquarters.... Melbourne Chess Club couldve (and wouldve) run every single round of this tournament if asked - yet for whatever reason, we were simply not asked..... Why is it that the biggest chess club in Victoria (154 members) is not being given this opportunity? Instead, the Rochester Road clubs (approx 100 members between them) have the opportunity...... Does this really represent the interests of Victorian chess players??? If this is because the Rochester Road clubs and Chess Ideas have put money into the event, then fair enough - although MCC wouldve at least liked to have been asked.... However if not, then I would like the president of CV, Leonid Sandler, to PLEASE EXPLAIN...... __________________ People who have nothing to hide post using their real names...

11-25-2010, 07:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges It has come to my attention, that Chess Victoria have recently organised a tournament named "The Australasian Masters" which is to be held at Rochester Road (home of Box Hill and Cantebury Chess Clubs). The tournament is a round robin event with 10 players. 6 of these 10 players live in Melbourne, and of the 6, 4 are members of the Melbourne Chess Club: James Morris (MCC member) Carl Gorka (MCC member) Mirko Rujevic (MCC member) Bobby Cheng (MCC and BHCC member) Erik Teichmann (non member) Eddie Levi (non member) To add to this, one of the non-members actually lives around the corner from the Melbourne Chess Club. Only one of these players is a member of either of the Rochester Road clubs... Yet despite all of this, the Melbourne Chess Club was never offered the chance to run this event. Why? I dont know... I would have thought that CV should be helping its clubs in a fair manner, rather than just giving an event to whoever they please. To add insult to injury, Box Hill Chess Club apparently couldnt actually run some of the rounds of the event - yet instead of offering MCC the opportunity to run them, those rounds are being held at Chess Ideas headquarters.... Melbourne Chess Club couldve (and wouldve) run every single round of this tournament if asked - yet for whatever reason, we were simply not asked..... Why is it that the biggest chess club in Victoria (154 members) is not being given this opportunity? Instead, the Rochester Road clubs (approx 100 members between them) have the opportunity...... Does this really represent the interests of Victorian chess players??? If this is because the Rochester Road clubs and Chess Ideas have put money into the event, then fair enough - although MCC wouldve at least liked to have been asked.... However if not, then I would like the president of CV, Leonid Sandler, to PLEASE EXPLAIN...... Grant, Leonid does not post on Ozchess so can I comment please. Your premise is incorrect. The Australasian Masters is not a Chess Victoria event. It is instead an event that is under-written by a private promoter (Leonid), and is funded by wherever he can raise the dosh. In a similar way that Barboros Kara ran the Cup Week-ender as a privateer and was supported by various sources of funds. In fact, on one occasion John had difficulty with the St Kilda venues, and funding, and we (BHCC) were pressed into donating a venue on that occasion too. BHCC is giving the venue as a support to this Australasian Masters as it is a long running, valuable event that is always in near-penury. Last year Leonid even got sponsorship from FIDE themselves (500 euro from memory); showing how wide he has to cast his fund-raising net. regards Mexican OZ ps There you go, a whole post and I didn't use the nick Sandman once. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

11-25-2010, 11:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	Originally Posted by MOZ Your premise is incorrect. The Australasian Masters is not a Chess Victoria event. [/color] Isn't it? Looking at Originally Posted by The Absolutely Remarkable Site AKA the CV website This year the CV executive has accepted responsibility for the Australasian Masters which it will hold in December 2010 I think Grant has every right to think it is! Include the President of BHCC in the list who also believe this is the case! BTW, have you been authorised by CV to discuss this matter publicly? If yes, get your facts right, if not let Sobriquet to do the job! Last edited by JaK : 11-25-2010 at 11:55 AM

11-25-2010, 12:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges Yet despite all of this, the Melbourne Chess Club was never offered the chance to run this event. Why? The decision was taken after serious consideration of all the relevant facts and circumstances. After a lengthy and considerable contemplation, it was determined that the Box Hill Chess Club would be the best suited chess club to run this event. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

11-25-2010, 01:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Don't you just love the transparency that comes with published minutes. Originally Posted by JaK Isn't it? No Originally Posted by JaK Looking at I think Grant has every right to think it is! I didn't question his right to think it is. I simply said his premise was incorrect. Originally Posted by JaK Include the President of BHCC in the list who also believe this is the case! An issue would not be an issue if everyone saw the same case. That is what makes debate and analysis so interesting. Originally Posted by JaK BTW, have you been authorised by CV to discuss this matter publicly? Well, no. Should each of us seek their approval? Originally Posted by JaK If yes, get your facts right,... Minute of meeting held 26/8/2010, subsection 9e (not the agenda item, but the minuted decision <#377 in this thread>), "CV Executive voted to continue support at the level of last year by rolling the Victorian Masters into this composite event.". For 2009, the tournament was as I described in the initial response to Grant. This minute confirms no structural change in 2010 from 2009. And indeed why would the structure of the event change given that it is an invitational. If CV did take over governance of this event it would have a very difficult time justifying to the general chess playing public why it owned a restricted invitational event. Originally Posted by JaK ... Mexican OZ __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

11-25-2010, 03:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Grant Szuveges Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,003	Originally Posted by MOZ The Australasian Masters is not a Chess Victoria event. It is instead an event that is under-written by a private promoter (Leonid), and is funded by wherever he can raise the dosh. ps There you go, a whole post and I didn't use the nick Sandman once. If it is not a CV event, then I apologise to Leonid and CV, however it seems that this is being disputed a bit (see Elliots post at 11.21am), so my apology is conditional on this being clarrified. Great to see that "Sandman" wasnt mentioned - keep up the good work! __________________ People who have nothing to hide post using their real names...

11-25-2010, 09:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	On the Bright Side of Moon they are a bit muffed that most CV stuff is on this site - that is not the official chess site. Do a swap that they also post the ratings over here. After that you can exchange wives as well - I am in good form

11-25-2010, 10:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by antichrist On the Bright Side of Moon they are a bit muffed that most CV stuff is on this site - that is not the official chess site. Good evening a/c I did a metric check on what you claim, and your contention does not stand up matey. I saw active threads called 2010 CV AGM Victorian Teams Championship Croydon Championship Cv MCC A new Era And I noticed they have the Sandman posting. How could they possibly be miffed? <Btw, I am presuming your use of 'muffed' is just a ....is a ....ah,... no,....I can't write that. Will PM you if you wish.> Originally Posted by antichrist Do a swap that they also post the ratings over here. Nah. Give us the quality stuff instead Hangman Sprouty's weather reports from Arizona Does God Exist and then the NOW forum would really zing. Originally Posted by antichrist After that you can exchange wives as well - I am in good form I guess in your case you are looking for a serial deal? __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

11-26-2010, 10:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Grant Szuveges If it is not a CV event, then I apologise to Leonid and CV, however it seems that this is being disputed a bit (see Elliots post at 11.21am), so my apology is conditional on this being clarrified. Great to see that "Sandman" wasnt mentioned - keep up the good work! Grant I guess JaK will return with a confirmed clarification. I am sure it is a private international promotion with welcome support from 4 sponsors. Similar as I mentioned before to the Cup week-enders that were successful under John Kara. regards MOZ* __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

11-26-2010, 11:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	here it is Originally Posted by CV website This year the CV executive has accepted responsibility for the Australasian Masters which it will hold in December 2010

11-26-2010, 11:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by JaK here it is No That is simply the probable source of Grant's original incorrect premise. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

11-26-2010, 12:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	OzChess = Victoria's Chess Forum! Originally Posted by antichrist On the Bright Side of Moon they are a bit muffed that most CV stuff is on this site Well Victorians have good taste! But I still require you to prove this with a link or quoting a CC member who said this. Cross quoting allowed without restriction on OzChess! Originally Posted by MOZ Nah. Give us the quality stuff instead Hangman Sprouty's weather reports from Arizona Does God Exist Actually, that's the rubbish that keeps their forum from growing. I am much more content having a chess focussed forum here on OzChess, instead of a - Let's discuss mostly non-chess topics - focussed forum like they have. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

11-26-2010, 12:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	Originally Posted by MOZ No That is simply the probable source of Grant's original incorrect premise. Nop, that's another proof that you keep on obfuscating aimlessly! You are worse than SOBriquet! Correction: Not when he ventures into predictions!

11-26-2010, 12:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by JaK Nop, that's another proof that you keep on obfuscating aimlessly! You are worse than SOBriquet! Correction: Not when he ventures into predictions! There is no obsufcation JaK. The issue is clear. The event was privately organised in 2009; I know, I was the CV Treasurer. In fact it was privately organised in the recent years before the 2009. I have confirmed with Leonid this morning that the Executive minute I have quoted means no change in responsibility for 2010. What you are quoting from the web-site is simply not the arrangement for the 2010 Masters. The page needs a change imho. You are letting your ad hominen get the better of your logic process. Each time you use an ad hominen you show your weakness of evidence for your view on this issue. Come back with your next view only after you have talked with the tournament organiser, Leonid. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

11-26-2010, 01:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
Grant Szuveges Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,003	Originally Posted by JaK here it is So, on their very own website, CV are taking responsibility for an event that they are not even running??? Wait til Cordover hears about this!!! __________________ People who have nothing to hide post using their real names...

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