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03-11-2010, 01:13 PM
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Australian Juniors
It is interesting that Victoria has not hosted the Australian Juniors since 2005. In fact, Victoria has only hosted this tournament twice (2000, 2005) as far as Ozbase records go.
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Year State 2010 TAS 2009 SA 2008 NSW 2007 ACT 2006 QLD 2005 VIC 2004 WA 2003 SA 2002 NSW 2001 ACT 2000 VIC 1999 QLD 1998 SA 1995 ACT 1994 QLD 1991 WA 1988 SA Code:
VIC Cannon, David 818 Cheng, Bobby 2239 Dale, Ari 1388 Dalton, Samuel 1925 Devarajh, Joshua 1182 Ding, Yilun 1941 Fan, Enoch 1037 Lim, Denise 883 Lim, Ethan 974 Loh, Zachary 1425 Matheson, Laurence 2004 Morris, James [FM] 2174 Narenthran, Savithri 947 Ng, Isaac 1735 Rozenblat, Vanja 1455 Sannidhanam, Anurag 1510 Schon, Eugene 2059 Tan, Justin 1901 Tang, Jason 1992 Tuncer, Deniz 1440 Wallis, Christopher 2113 Wallmueller, Peter 1050 Wong, Joseph 1397 Yu, Allen 1484 Yu, Sally 1798 Yuan, Daniel 937 NSW Behar, Joshua 1423 Chen, Peng Yu 1777 Chen, Vincent 1439 Drastik, Penelope 822 Gu, Sean 1787 Gu, Shirley 1376 Hong, Jasper 971 Illingworth, Max 2303 Koh, Clarise 1298 Pan, Andrew 1741 Papantoniou, John 1870 Perera, Pasan 1575 Pretorius, Jana 1004 Qiao, Shan-Shan 1332 Ruan, Harry 1711 Ruan, Jack 1760 Shan, Caroline 1138 Siow-Lee, Dylan 1346 Smirnov, Anton 1783 Wang, Oscar 1792 QLD Gray, Callum 1242 Grigg, Sam 1927 Jack, Martin 1429 Kanagarajah, Abbie 1331 Kinder, Danielle 924 Lapitan, Daniel 1364 Lazarus, Benjamin 2035 Liu, Yi (1997) 1785 Ly, Moulthun 2281 McClymont, Brodie 1895 Nakauchi, Gene [FM] 2035 Simmonds, Leteisha 1424 Stahnke, Alexander 1800 ACT Brown, Andrew 2073 Chibnall, Alana 1513 Derwent, Ethan 1183 Guo, Emma 1783 Guo, Jamie-Lee 1040 Ikeda, Junta 2354 Mason, Joanne 1027 Mason, Stuart 1271 Oliver, Tamzin L 1578 Qi, Glen 976 Setiabudi, Megan 1391 Yuan, Yi 2157 SA Bortsova, Natasha 1247 Cameron, Alistair 1801 Cameron, Lachlan 1195 Eustace, Sophie 1451 Kiripitige, Punala 1300 Searle, Zachary 1793 TAS Carter, Mason 1355 Dyer, Alastair 1910 Horton, Vincent 1543 WA Choong, Yita 2046 Last edited by Z&MLoh : 03-12-2010 at 05:08 PM |
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03-11-2010, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Z&MLoh
From your records how many times has NSW hosted. Is the above list complete?
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03-11-2010, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Interlocutor
The data is from Ozbase. As you can see, there are gaps in the information pre-1998 so it is not complete. From the available information, NSW has hosted the competition twice also.
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03-12-2010, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Z&MLoh
It seems the ACF likes to have the tournament rotate through the states. Whether this is the best policy for developing junior chess is a moot point. Your point about numbers seems a valid one.
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03-12-2010, 05:16 AM
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Memories are made of this
The 2005 tournament was not hosted by Victoria The tournament was held at Mount Buller under the direct control of the ACF council. It was specifically agreed at the time [later reneged on] that it would not count as a turn for Victoria.
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03-12-2010, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7
They should focus exclusively in Queensland and Victoria as that's where most of the junior talent in Australia lies.
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03-13-2010, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Z&MLoh
The decision-making criteria employed in the tournament allocation procedure by the ACF is unlikely to be "the natural order" of things, as I believe you are suggesting..
It is more instructive to look deeper through to the bid process to find the rationale for decisions. Bid #1 was successful and was not in the Melbourne Metro (in fact it was at Churchill) which gave ample room for 'outside of venue' opportunities. Bid #2 was unsuccessful by the GURU at Mt Buller. Essentially the same bid was then cloned by another privateer, this privateer with closer connections to the ACF Executive. The cloned bid was given the tick of approval. Bid #3 was unsuccessful; by a Melbourne Junior Club (see bid #1) based on the Box Hill Town Hall venue. The following year the GURU tried to bridge the connection to the ACF but failed to gain an office-bearer position. Therefore there was no bid from him in that year. Bid #4 was unsuccessful. It had a Melbourne Metro venue. Bid #5 by the Guru recently (Jan. 2010) was unsuccessful. On the basis of this 'analysis', I believe your 'real issue', ...an Aus. Juniors in Metro Melbourne, has not happened as yet
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03-13-2010, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MOZ
Not worried whether it is metro Melbourne or country Victoria. At least I don't have to fly or take the ferry.
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03-13-2010, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Z&MLoh
I don't think you would have posted that comment about regional/country if you had been privy to the grumbles about getting to the Mt Buller venue.
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04-11-2010, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Rotation through States would be a good method of maximizing the the chances for the best players to enter the event. If the event is consistently in one State then the travel and accommodation costs restrict the opportunities to locals.
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04-11-2010, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Interlocutor
btw , isn't vic over due , for quite a few national events ?
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04-11-2010, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Axiom
It is overdue for a St Kilda premiership. Last seen 1964, I recall.
It is overdue for a repeat performance such as 1964 W. Kerr 1965 W. Kerr It is overdue for the best to play the best. |
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04-11-2010, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Interlocutor
 yes, well over due ..
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04-12-2010, 11:26 AM
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Salivating at the promotion prospects.
Originally Posted by Axiom
From my local view 'the chance for the best players to enter the event' is very welcome for publicizing local events leading up to the Australian Junior in 2011.
With the emergence of the Victorian hosting we can now see the real chance of Bobby Cheng and James Morris both contesting for the title, AND using local events as preparation and testing for the title. It will create interest in MCC Allegros where the two players may well decide to test out some favourite lines against the other; maybe even the Canterbury Rookies at which James is a regular entrant. And of course the VIC OPEN week-ender. All of this leading up to maybe a decider during the rounds of the 2011 Australian Junior on home ground. The World title-holder, the Australian title-holder, vs an International Master...sounds like a top-shelf game to me.....and on their home-ground.
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04-12-2010, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MOZ
Yes i look forward to a glut of national events to be held in Victoria in the coming years , to at least partly compensate for years of being disgracefully neglected .
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