What's Wrong With School Chess in Victoria? - OzChess

**Problem Child** · 11-04-2009, 09:37 PM

What's wrong with school chess in Victoria seems to be a pet topic for David Cordover and it is about time people started to listen to him !

There are a lot of problems with CV sponsored school chess that DC has pointed out and that most parents/schools would also be able to tell you need fixing. Unfortunately for DC, he seems to have missed one of the major problems which is his own behaviour and refusal to be involved in building a better system. All DC seems to want is to be in charge and take it all over for himself.

Simple list of problems that need fixing:

Varying formats.
Where are the results?
Lack of organisation.

All of the above are caused by expecting chess coaches to automatically be good at administration. Most CV sponsored school tournaments are run by business's that offer expert coaching. What they need is help with the administration.

What is not needed is more of the mediocre "coaching" offered by DC. Attending one of Chesskids tournaments becomes embarrising when you see kids who have been attending Chess Kids school coaching for 6 or 12 months and have not been shown the basics of how to avoid 4 move checks or even what to do when the pawn gets to the other end. It would be funny if it was not such a misuse of the parents trust when they send (and PAY) for their kids to attend chess coaching. Chess kids may be able to boast a few kids they have brought into the game but they forget to mention the many they turn away forever by delivering sub-standard service.

Simple list of fixes:

CV put in place the admin help.
Single web site for tournament advertising, online entry, results and more.
Common rules and format for private organisers that wish to run CV sponsored tournaments.

DC is totally correct in one thing. The answer to a lot of the problems in technology. All the above needs to make it happen is an understanding from CV that they need to take back control and a understanding that image means everything when it comes to attracting parents and kids that are just starting out and know nothing.

The current administration of CV have improved things quite noticably and perhaps this is what has motivated DC to get more vocal. No one has said his is a total idiot and it must be obvious even to his inflated ego that if CV get their s**t together his business in in for lean times

Now all we need is a couple of people to volunteer their skills and and for CV to pull their head bit further out of the sand and there will be a vast improvement in Victorian School Chess and DC will be relegated back to where he belongs...

Somewhere insignifigant where he can't cause trouble

PS David please feel free to comment

**Problem Child** · 11-04-2009, 09:43 PM

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**Jaydon** · 11-04-2009, 09:45 PM

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**Axiom** · 11-05-2009, 12:04 AM

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**Just2Good** · 11-05-2009, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Problem Child

I was trying to give each board equal airtime and to post on Chess Chat but they decided I was not welcome before I could even submit my first post.

Aparently I am a "axiom hydra" ??
Any idea what that may mean ??

vBulletin Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
axiom hydra

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

They are an overly sensitive bunch! Perhaps you said something unflattering, often a banning offence there! They don't even think up new reasons to ban people anymore, the 'Axiom hydra' is the most commonly used official reason there!

**ChessGuru** · 11-05-2009, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Problem Child

What's wrong with school chess in Victoria seems to be a pet topic for David Cordover and it is about time people started to listen to him!

I actually believe that CV is facing much more important issues; such as Communication, Helping Clubs and Interclub events.

School chess is being addressed, and being done quite well in fact. Not just by Chess Kids, but by 13 chess businesses/coaches in Melbourne. I think CV should be focusing on some of the areas that:
a) Nobody's doing anything about
b) Create the biggest impact to their member clubs

And those things are as I've listed above...Communication (ie. website, newsletter, emails, etc), Help Clubs (increase members, publicity, websites, training, run weekender, equipment, signage, insurance, creating attractive environments for the 1000s of juniors the coaches are teaching...there is heaps to do) and an Interclub Leagues Event.

Originally Posted by Problem Child

Now all we need is a couple of people to volunteer their skills and and for CV to pull their head bit further out of the sand and there will be a vast improvement in Victorian School Chess and DC will be relegated back to where he belongs...

I just don't know how many people you'll get wanting to volunteer to assist in destroying anything (even me). People much prefer building things and positive outlooks. I'd suggest that you put a call out for help to BUILD something rather than to destroy.

I'm also not sure that the CV mission or objective should be to attack a particular chess business. Shouldn't CV be working towards improving CLUBS? Unless you think that private agendas should be (are?) getting mixed up in CV politics? Sorry, but I just don't think this is going to be a policy for next year...

Originally Posted by Problem Child

Somewhere insignifigant where he can't cause trouble

Like New Zealand?

**Ninja** · 11-10-2009, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by ChessGuru

Like New Zealand?

Good suggestion David

**Just2Good** · 11-29-2009, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Problem Child

What's wrong with school chess in Victoria seems to be a pet topic for David Cordover and it is about time people started to listen to him !

I agree, he seems to have lots of good ideas!

What is not needed is more of the mediocre "coaching" offered by DC. Attending one of Chesskids tournaments becomes embarrising when you see kids who have been attending Chess Kids school coaching for 6 or 12 months and have not been shown the basics of how to avoid 4 move checks or even what to do when the pawn gets to the other end.

And presumably on the other end of the scale you have ChessKid students like Bobby who are the world's best under 12.

It would be funny if it was not such a misuse of the parents trust when they send (and PAY) for their kids to attend chess coaching. Chess kids may be able to boast a few kids they have brought into the game but they forget to mention the many they turn away forever by delivering sub-standard service.

This is just silly.

If some parent thinks he is getting a raw deal by sending his kids to Chess Kids, then he/she can find different chess coaching for the youngster. The market forces will prevail, and the market forces will keep ChessKids on its toes in terms of quality - otherwise they would lose business to competitors.

Now all we need is a couple of people to volunteer their skills and and for CV to pull their head bit further out of the sand and there will be a vast improvement in Victorian School Chess ...

So you are saying CV officials have their heads in the sand? Well, maybe you are right. That's why David Cordover's fresh perspective is probably the best thing for Chess Victoria right now.

**Libby** · 12-05-2009, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Problem Child

Simple list of problems that need fixing:
Varying formats.

Where are the results?

Lack of organisation.

If CV is putting the events out to tender - and it really shouldn't matter if David or the man in the moon runs them - CV should have whole & sole responsibility for the format. All events should run under the same format. Otherwise I can't see how events are "CV Interschool" events, they are simply the events of that particular business or organiser run under a CV banner.

If you want to build strong relationships with schools, you need to be well organised, clear and consistent with the delivery of information to them, and equally clear and consistent with the structure of the events, the time of year and format under which they run, and other details like prizes, finals qualification and incentives for participants. Being able to deliver against each of those points should be part of the "response to tender" and if you are not up to it then you miss out next time or (if the organisation can't suffer the loss of organisers) there are financial penalties or incentives applied that reflect the level of compliance and the quality of delivery.

You don't build business, as a volunteer body, or as a business, if you trundle out crap and use the excuse that grown adults who play chess can't be organised and can't understand the concept of customer service.

And that is 10 times true if you are making money out of it. No excuse for doing a crap job. If David's competitions/coaching are crap then that is really his issue and his business to lose. If CV events are put out to tender and they are crap/inconsistent (and I don't know if they are or not, I am responding to your post) then that is a major problem for CV and for anyone running events under that banner and doing a better job.

Chess administration broadly does a poor job of developing, promoting and delivering activities in a consistent fashion. No rocket science is involved.

Start by documenting process, procedures & expectations.

Follow that up by expecting people to adhere to that.

Further follow up by not accepting that it is OK to do something else or less.

And ensure changes to agreed process, procedures & expectations are only made if the issue has been properly debated by your committee, and the changes themselves properly included in your documentation for future events - not made on the run for current events.

It's not very hard you know http://www.actjcl.org.au/actjcl/docs...lEntryPack.pdf

**Just2Good** · 12-06-2009, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by Libby

If CV is putting the events out to tender - and it really shouldn't matter if David or the man in the moon runs them - CV should have whole & sole responsibility for the format.

Agreed!

All events should run under the same format. Otherwise I can't see how events are "CV Interschool" events, they are simply the events of that particular business or organiser run under a CV banner.

Agreed!

If you want to build strong relationships with schools, you need to be well organised, clear and consistent with the delivery of information to them, and equally clear and consistent with the structure of the events, the time of year and format under which they run, and other details like prizes, finals qualification and incentives for participants.

Agreed!

Being able to deliver against each of those points should be part of the "response to tender" and if you are not up to it then you miss out next time or (if the organisation can't suffer the loss of organisers) there are financial penalties or incentives applied that reflect the level of compliance and the quality of delivery.

In an ideal world, perhaps this is true.

The reality is that there is a dearth of organizors willing to put up their hand and prepare a tender because of the hard work entailed, and because it might not pay off for them or be worthwhile.

Problems will arise if only one party bids for the tender, and then that party does as it wishes even to the extent of not doing things the way CV wants them done, (ie.) changing the structure of the event.

That then leaves CV with two (2) choices.

Firstly, to run the event themselves - presumably something CV doesn't have the capacity to do or they wouldn't be tendering it out in the first place.

Or secondly, simply hold their nose and let the party that won the tender do their own thing year after year - as that is better than not running the event at all.

justaknight · 12-06-2009, 04:58 AM

There is nothing wrong with school kids playing chess in Victoria!
They enjoy the game and they put the runs on the board too!
Any objections?

**Libby** · 12-06-2009, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Or secondly, simply hold their nose and let the party that won the tender do their own thing year after year - as that is better than not running the event at all.[/font]

That's the easiest excuse to fall back on - something is better than nothing

You can run that line in your first year if you really must, but if you're not striving to get beyond that then you can continue to deliver something mediocre and be left scratching your head and blaming a bogeyman for your event failing to show growth.

THere may be nothing wrong with school chess in Victoria. I am not an informed commentator. But there seems to be a lot of angst over it.

If nothing else, anything under a CV banner really should run under a CV consistent format.

Oh - and please complain about the hard work involved only if you are not making your living from it. There are still others running these events on a wholly voluntary basis and coping with the "terrible burden."

**Just2Good** · 12-06-2009, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Libby

If nothing else, anything under a CV banner really should run under a CV consistent format.

Agreed!

There are still others running these events on a wholly voluntary basis and coping with the "terrible burden."

People like Shaun Press. I take my hat off to the volunteers who try to improve the game!

**Firegoat7** · 12-06-2009, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Libby

THere may be nothing wrong with school chess in Victoria. I am not an informed commentator. But there seems to be a lot of angst over it.

At last some much needed reflection. There is not a whole lot wrong with school chess in Victoria. It is probably in better shape then any other state.

The angst is derived from one private company constantly over marketing and representing itself in what some may consider an unethical fashion. Basically the argument is about an expansive business practice, modeled on Neo-liberalism principles, operating in a deregulated market. In fairness to the Chess Kids/Chess World brand, its biggest critics are often privateers, who appear to have a vested interest in maintaining a deregulated economy.

Originally Posted by Libby

If nothing else, anything under a CV banner really should run under a CV consistent format.

People involved in the argument seem to be more concerned with the categorisation of the word "Victorian" and what it means to be named an "official" and "unofficial" competition.

cheers,

**Firegoat7** · 12-06-2009, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by justaknight

There is nothing wrong with school kids playing chess in Victoria!
They enjoy the game and they put the runs on the board too!
Any objections?

Exactly!!

11-04-2009, 09:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Problem Child Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 13	What's Wrong With School Chess in Victoria? What's wrong with school chess in Victoria seems to be a pet topic for David Cordover and it is about time people started to listen to him ! There are a lot of problems with CV sponsored school chess that DC has pointed out and that most parents/schools would also be able to tell you need fixing. Unfortunately for DC, he seems to have missed one of the major problems which is his own behaviour and refusal to be involved in building a better system. All DC seems to want is to be in charge and take it all over for himself. Simple list of problems that need fixing: Varying formats. Where are the results? Lack of organisation. All of the above are caused by expecting chess coaches to automatically be good at administration. Most CV sponsored school tournaments are run by business's that offer expert coaching. What they need is help with the administration. What is not needed is more of the mediocre "coaching" offered by DC. Attending one of Chesskids tournaments becomes embarrising when you see kids who have been attending Chess Kids school coaching for 6 or 12 months and have not been shown the basics of how to avoid 4 move checks or even what to do when the pawn gets to the other end. It would be funny if it was not such a misuse of the parents trust when they send (and PAY) for their kids to attend chess coaching. Chess kids may be able to boast a few kids they have brought into the game but they forget to mention the many they turn away forever by delivering sub-standard service. Simple list of fixes: CV put in place the admin help. Single web site for tournament advertising, online entry, results and more. Common rules and format for private organisers that wish to run CV sponsored tournaments. DC is totally correct in one thing. The answer to a lot of the problems in technology. All the above needs to make it happen is an understanding from CV that they need to take back control and a understanding that image means everything when it comes to attracting parents and kids that are just starting out and know nothing. The current administration of CV have improved things quite noticably and perhaps this is what has motivated DC to get more vocal. No one has said his is a total idiot and it must be obvious even to his inflated ego that if CV get their s**t together his business in in for lean times Now all we need is a couple of people to volunteer their skills and and for CV to pull their head bit further out of the sand and there will be a vast improvement in Victorian School Chess and DC will be relegated back to where he belongs... Somewhere insignifigant where he can't cause trouble PS David please feel free to comment

11-05-2009, 12:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	muahahahahahahahahaha __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

11-05-2009, 01:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	You Are Welcome Here Mate! Originally Posted by Problem Child I was trying to give each board equal airtime and to post on Chess Chat but they decided I was not welcome before I could even submit my first post. Aparently I am a "axiom hydra" ?? Any idea what that may mean ?? vBulletin Message You have been banned for the following reason: axiom hydra Date the ban will be lifted: Never They are an overly sensitive bunch! Perhaps you said something unflattering, often a banning offence there! They don't even think up new reasons to ban people anymore, the 'Axiom hydra' is the most commonly used official reason there! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

11-05-2009, 09:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	Originally Posted by Problem Child What's wrong with school chess in Victoria seems to be a pet topic for David Cordover and it is about time people started to listen to him! I actually believe that CV is facing much more important issues; such as Communication, Helping Clubs and Interclub events. School chess is being addressed, and being done quite well in fact. Not just by Chess Kids, but by 13 chess businesses/coaches in Melbourne. I think CV should be focusing on some of the areas that: a) Nobody's doing anything about b) Create the biggest impact to their member clubs And those things are as I've listed above...Communication (ie. website, newsletter, emails, etc), Help Clubs (increase members, publicity, websites, training, run weekender, equipment, signage, insurance, creating attractive environments for the 1000s of juniors the coaches are teaching...there is heaps to do) and an Interclub Leagues Event. Originally Posted by Problem Child Now all we need is a couple of people to volunteer their skills and and for CV to pull their head bit further out of the sand and there will be a vast improvement in Victorian School Chess and DC will be relegated back to where he belongs... I just don't know how many people you'll get wanting to volunteer to assist in destroying anything (even me). People much prefer building things and positive outlooks. I'd suggest that you put a call out for help to BUILD something rather than to destroy. I'm also not sure that the CV mission or objective should be to attack a particular chess business. Shouldn't CV be working towards improving CLUBS? Unless you think that private agendas should be (are?) getting mixed up in CV politics? Sorry, but I just don't think this is going to be a policy for next year... Originally Posted by Problem Child Somewhere insignifigant where he can't cause trouble Like New Zealand?

11-10-2009, 10:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	Originally Posted by ChessGuru Like New Zealand? Good suggestion David

11-04-2009, 09:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Problem Child Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 13	I was trying to give each board equal airtime and to post on Chess Chat but they decided I was not welcome before I could even submit my first post. Aparently I am a "axiom hydra" ?? Any idea what that may mean ?? vBulletin Message You have been banned for the following reason: axiom hydra Date the ban will be lifted: Never

11-04-2009, 09:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Everybody is an axiom hydra

11-29-2009, 08:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	David is Best Choice for CV Originally Posted by Problem Child What's wrong with school chess in Victoria seems to be a pet topic for David Cordover and it is about time people started to listen to him ! I agree, he seems to have lots of good ideas! What is not needed is more of the mediocre "coaching" offered by DC. Attending one of Chesskids tournaments becomes embarrising when you see kids who have been attending Chess Kids school coaching for 6 or 12 months and have not been shown the basics of how to avoid 4 move checks or even what to do when the pawn gets to the other end. And presumably on the other end of the scale you have ChessKid students like Bobby who are the world's best under 12. It would be funny if it was not such a misuse of the parents trust when they send (and PAY) for their kids to attend chess coaching. Chess kids may be able to boast a few kids they have brought into the game but they forget to mention the many they turn away forever by delivering sub-standard service. This is just silly. If some parent thinks he is getting a raw deal by sending his kids to Chess Kids, then he/she can find different chess coaching for the youngster. The market forces will prevail, and the market forces will keep ChessKids on its toes in terms of quality - otherwise they would lose business to competitors. Now all we need is a couple of people to volunteer their skills and and for CV to pull their head bit further out of the sand and there will be a vast improvement in Victorian School Chess ... So you are saying CV officials have their heads in the sand? Well, maybe you are right. That's why David Cordover's fresh perspective is probably the best thing for Chess Victoria right now. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

12-05-2009, 05:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
Libby Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 44	Originally Posted by Problem Child Simple list of problems that need fixing: Varying formats. Where are the results? Lack of organisation. If CV is putting the events out to tender - and it really shouldn't matter if David or the man in the moon runs them - CV should have whole & sole responsibility for the format. All events should run under the same format. Otherwise I can't see how events are "CV Interschool" events, they are simply the events of that particular business or organiser run under a CV banner. If you want to build strong relationships with schools, you need to be well organised, clear and consistent with the delivery of information to them, and equally clear and consistent with the structure of the events, the time of year and format under which they run, and other details like prizes, finals qualification and incentives for participants. Being able to deliver against each of those points should be part of the "response to tender" and if you are not up to it then you miss out next time or (if the organisation can't suffer the loss of organisers) there are financial penalties or incentives applied that reflect the level of compliance and the quality of delivery. You don't build business, as a volunteer body, or as a business, if you trundle out crap and use the excuse that grown adults who play chess can't be organised and can't understand the concept of customer service. And that is 10 times true if you are making money out of it. No excuse for doing a crap job. If David's competitions/coaching are crap then that is really his issue and his business to lose. If CV events are put out to tender and they are crap/inconsistent (and I don't know if they are or not, I am responding to your post) then that is a major problem for CV and for anyone running events under that banner and doing a better job. Chess administration broadly does a poor job of developing, promoting and delivering activities in a consistent fashion. No rocket science is involved. Start by documenting process, procedures & expectations. Follow that up by expecting people to adhere to that. Further follow up by not accepting that it is OK to do something else or less. And ensure changes to agreed process, procedures & expectations are only made if the issue has been properly debated by your committee, and the changes themselves properly included in your documentation for future events - not made on the run for current events. It's not very hard you know http://www.actjcl.org.au/actjcl/docs...lEntryPack.pdf

12-06-2009, 03:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Observations on CV's Tendering Process Originally Posted by Libby If CV is putting the events out to tender - and it really shouldn't matter if David or the man in the moon runs them - CV should have whole & sole responsibility for the format. Agreed! All events should run under the same format. Otherwise I can't see how events are "CV Interschool" events, they are simply the events of that particular business or organiser run under a CV banner. Agreed! If you want to build strong relationships with schools, you need to be well organised, clear and consistent with the delivery of information to them, and equally clear and consistent with the structure of the events, the time of year and format under which they run, and other details like prizes, finals qualification and incentives for participants. Agreed! Being able to deliver against each of those points should be part of the "response to tender" and if you are not up to it then you miss out next time or (if the organisation can't suffer the loss of organisers) there are financial penalties or incentives applied that reflect the level of compliance and the quality of delivery. In an ideal world, perhaps this is true. The reality is that there is a dearth of organizors willing to put up their hand and prepare a tender because of the hard work entailed, and because it might not pay off for them or be worthwhile. Problems will arise if only one party bids for the tender, and then that party does as it wishes even to the extent of not doing things the way CV wants them done, (ie.) changing the structure of the event. That then leaves CV with two (2) choices. Firstly, to run the event themselves - presumably something CV doesn't have the capacity to do or they wouldn't be tendering it out in the first place. Or secondly, simply hold their nose and let the party that won the tender do their own thing year after year - as that is better than not running the event at all. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

12-06-2009, 04:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	There is nothing wrong with school kids playing chess in Victoria! They enjoy the game and they put the runs on the board too! Any objections?

12-06-2009, 08:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
Libby Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 44	Originally Posted by Just2Good Or secondly, simply hold their nose and let the party that won the tender do their own thing year after year - as that is better than not running the event at all.[/font] That's the easiest excuse to fall back on - something is better than nothing You can run that line in your first year if you really must, but if you're not striving to get beyond that then you can continue to deliver something mediocre and be left scratching your head and blaming a bogeyman for your event failing to show growth. THere may be nothing wrong with school chess in Victoria. I am not an informed commentator. But there seems to be a lot of angst over it. If nothing else, anything under a CV banner really should run under a CV consistent format. Oh - and please complain about the hard work involved only if you are not making your living from it. There are still others running these events on a wholly voluntary basis and coping with the "terrible burden."

12-06-2009, 08:50 AM	#13 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Consistent Format Needed! Originally Posted by Libby If nothing else, anything under a CV banner really should run under a CV consistent format. Agreed! There are still others running these events on a wholly voluntary basis and coping with the "terrible burden." People like Shaun Press. I take my hat off to the volunteers who try to improve the game! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

12-06-2009, 02:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Libby THere may be nothing wrong with school chess in Victoria. I am not an informed commentator. But there seems to be a lot of angst over it. At last some much needed reflection. There is not a whole lot wrong with school chess in Victoria. It is probably in better shape then any other state. The angst is derived from one private company constantly over marketing and representing itself in what some may consider an unethical fashion. Basically the argument is about an expansive business practice, modeled on Neo-liberalism principles, operating in a deregulated market. In fairness to the Chess Kids/Chess World brand, its biggest critics are often privateers, who appear to have a vested interest in maintaining a deregulated economy. Originally Posted by Libby If nothing else, anything under a CV banner really should run under a CV consistent format. People involved in the argument seem to be more concerned with the categorisation of the word "Victorian" and what it means to be named an "official" and "unofficial" competition. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

12-06-2009, 02:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by justaknight There is nothing wrong with school kids playing chess in Victoria! They enjoy the game and they put the runs on the board too! Any objections? Exactly!! __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

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