Chess Victoria AGM - OzChess

**flavid dude** · 09-25-2009, 11:25 PM

I have started a thread dealing with the Chess Victoria AGM.

I shall not be attending. My problem is that I suffer from nerve deafness which means that I am losing high frequencies. This means that I often cannot clearly hear what children are saying. Furthermore I have difficulties not losing the thread of conversations at meetings. It also means that I no longer go to the theatre or opera.

Chess of course is one activity where deafness may be an advantage. (Some would say that this also applies to AFL umpires.)

Isn't it terrible that I can no longer stir the possum at meetings.

justaknight · 09-26-2009, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by flavid dude

Chess of course is one activity where deafness may be an advantage. (Some would say that this also applies to AFL umpires.)

They are also blind as evidenced by their otherwise inexplicable decisions against Collingwood FC!

**ChessGuru** · 09-26-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by flavid dude

I shall not be attending. ... This means that I often cannot clearly hear what children are saying.

Are you expecting a lot of children at the AGM? Or just the end of year reports from the current committe?

Originally Posted by flavid dude

... It also means that I no longer go to the theatre or opera.

We expect the AGM is going to be THAT dramatic (and LONG like an Opera)? And mostly in another language ...

**flavid dude** · 09-26-2009, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by ChessGuru

Are you expecting a lot of children at the AGM? Or just the end of year reports from the current committe?

We expect the AGM is going to be THAT dramatic (and LONG like an Opera)? And mostly in another language ...

Why take a sentence out of contest. The very next sentence esplained why I shall not attend the meeting.

Furthermore I have difficulties not losing the thread of conversations at meetings.

After lots of postings have you still not realized that it is an executive not a committee.

**SHump** · 09-28-2009, 06:17 PM

As someone said elsewhere...

Politics including chess politics is about respect popularity and support.

I wouldn't think it useful for Vic Chess if CV, as an organisation, is any of the following: not respected; ignored; non-inclusive; non-cooperative; opaque; unapproachable.

It would also be a shame if there is only one candidate for each position, with the proviso that if there is only one candidate, I would think it would be OK for that candidate to be the incumbent - assuming the role has been well served by that person in the previous period. It would be a shame because a one horse race gives no diversity at all or a chance for an opinionated decision. Well, I just think it is self-evident really...

Note that I am not inferring one way or another about the quality of potential candidates or of the incumbents in this discussion. But certainly the RPS (respect popularity and support) trifecta sounds a winner to me.

**MOZ** · 09-28-2009, 08:24 PM

hi Shump

I think it is a given that the incumbents (in office-bearer positions) will stand.
The Presidents report of last year was a pearler.
And this year has continued the upward trend. So, expect a great Presidents report again.

regards
MOZ*

Originally Posted by SHump

As someone said elsewhere...

I wouldn't think it useful for Vic Chess if CV, as an organisation, is any of the following: not respected; ignored; non-inclusive; non-cooperative; opaque; unapproachable.

It would also be a shame if there is only one candidate for each position, with the proviso that if there is only one candidate, I would think it would be OK for that candidate to be the incumbent - assuming the role has been well served by that person in the previous period. It would be a shame because a one horse race gives no diversity at all or a chance for an opinionated decision. Well, I just think it is self-evident really...

Note that I am not inferring one way or another about the quality of potential candidates or of the incumbents in this discussion. But certainly the RPS (respect popularity and support) trifecta sounds a winner to me.

**flavid dude** · 09-30-2009, 10:33 AM

A shall not be making any more postings on this subject until after the election. Nor will I use any hydra. I gather than some people think that I have been a stalking horse for The Canterbury Junior Chess Club and Chess Victoria. Let me be quite clear that the views expressed have been my own. However to avoid any suggestion of impropriety I shall not post on the subject of the Chess Victoria elections.

After the election I may use the Don Chipp (sometime leader of the Democrats) policy "of keeping the <expletive deleted> honest.

justaknight · 09-30-2009, 06:44 PM

is that regardless who s' gonna win the election ie us mob <expletive deleted> or them <expletive deleted> mob?

**ChessGuru** · 09-30-2009, 09:05 PM

Box Hill Chess Club - angel or devil?

Read all about it.

Plus - how can YOU help Chess? Click here to find out.

**Just2Good** · 10-01-2009, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by ChessGuru

Box Hill Chess Club - angel or devil?

Read all about it.

Plus - how can YOU help Chess? Click here to find out.

Angel! For sure!

**Ninja** · 10-01-2009, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by ChessGuru

Box Hill Chess Club - angel or devil?

Read all about it.

Plus - how can YOU help Chess? Click here to find out.

Far more interesting question

ChessGuru - angel or devil?

Plus - how can ChessGuru help chess? (Other than getting other people to do the work)

Lots of talk going on and lots of time and effort being critical of what is, but very little info to convince anyone that ChessGuru would not be worse

It says loads about your management style that your starting point on fixing anything or everything is to attack whats there now rather than start with your ideas and your suggestions.

**ChessGuru** · 10-01-2009, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Ninja

Plus - how can ChessGuru help chess? (Other than getting other people to do the work)

Wouldn't that be helping chess?

Originally Posted by Ninja

Lots of talk going on and lots of time and effort being critical of what is, but very little info to convince anyone that ChessGuru would not be worse

It says loads about your management style that your starting point on fixing anything or everything is to attack whats there now rather than start with your ideas and your suggestions.

I'm sorry it's come across like that. I've tried not to be critical about anything; but only offer ideas and suggestions for improvement; for example:
- Social Chess clubs (and evidence of action)
- Planned structure for tournaments
- Plans for change
- Suggestions for technology
- Recommended standards for financial disclosure to create club engagement
- A new team format for clubs
- An example of thinking differently for the benefit of clubs
- Suggestion to improve contact details for clubs
- Structure for categories of clubs so CV can assist clubs improve
- Model to copy for 'chess for kids at risk'
- Idea for improved school-teams events, and benefit clubs
- Idea for direct membership and new income stream
- Thoughts for finding sponsorships
- Concept for a home for Chess Victoria
- Proof of benefits of partnerships (as per recommended in the Pyramid)
- Ideas for CV to help clubs with websites
- Some basic time-management techniques for CV
- Questioning existing free entry for IMs policy
- Suggestions for ideal CV Dedicated Server & Web Hosting
- Encouraging Dedicated Server & Web Hosting
- Recommendation for more transparent communication from CV
- Comments on what is Dedicated Server & Web Hosting
- Attempting a new Vision for CV

I certainly haven't attacked any PERSON. I have suggested that structures, processes and culture needs to be changed, you may imply that it is an attack - but it isn't intended as such; it is a recommendation for change.

Perhaps you've been too busy to read my suggestions/ideas? If you have any constructive feedback I'd love to hear it...or even additional suggestions of your own (don't worry; I won't ask you to DO anything).

**Just2Good** · 10-02-2009, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by ChessGuru

- Thoughts for finding sponsorships

With Lexus now sponsoring some chess events in Victoria, I think that is terrific. One big fish is all it takes sometimes to attract additional big fish sponsors!

**MikesGuns** · 10-04-2009, 08:48 PM

Who is going for the CV president?

**Just2Good** · 10-05-2009, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by MikesGuns

Who is going for the CV president?

Hopefully, only Cordover.

I think a CV President with business savvy is just what Chess Victoria needs right now.

09-25-2009, 11:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
flavid dude Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 336	Chess Victoria AGM I have started a thread dealing with the Chess Victoria AGM. I shall not be attending. My problem is that I suffer from nerve deafness which means that I am losing high frequencies. This means that I often cannot clearly hear what children are saying. Furthermore I have difficulties not losing the thread of conversations at meetings. It also means that I no longer go to the theatre or opera. Chess of course is one activity where deafness may be an advantage. (Some would say that this also applies to AFL umpires.) Isn't it terrible that I can no longer stir the possum at meetings.

09-26-2009, 10:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	Originally Posted by flavid dude Chess of course is one activity where deafness may be an advantage. (Some would say that this also applies to AFL umpires.) They are also blind as evidenced by their otherwise inexplicable decisions against Collingwood FC!

09-26-2009, 11:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	Originally Posted by flavid dude I shall not be attending. ... This means that I often cannot clearly hear what children are saying. Are you expecting a lot of children at the AGM? Or just the end of year reports from the current committe? Originally Posted by flavid dude ... It also means that I no longer go to the theatre or opera. We expect the AGM is going to be THAT dramatic (and LONG like an Opera)? And mostly in another language ...

09-26-2009, 09:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
flavid dude Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 336	quotes out of context Originally Posted by ChessGuru Are you expecting a lot of children at the AGM? Or just the end of year reports from the current committe? We expect the AGM is going to be THAT dramatic (and LONG like an Opera)? And mostly in another language ... Why take a sentence out of contest. The very next sentence esplained why I shall not attend the meeting. Furthermore I have difficulties not losing the thread of conversations at meetings. After lots of postings have you still not realized that it is an executive not a committee.

09-28-2009, 06:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
SHump Hamilton Chess, NZ Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton, Waikato, New Zealand Posts: 216	CV AGM candidates please? As someone said elsewhere... Politics including chess politics is about respect popularity and support. I wouldn't think it useful for Vic Chess if CV, as an organisation, is any of the following: not respected; ignored; non-inclusive; non-cooperative; opaque; unapproachable. It would also be a shame if there is only one candidate for each position, with the proviso that if there is only one candidate, I would think it would be OK for that candidate to be the incumbent - assuming the role has been well served by that person in the previous period. It would be a shame because a one horse race gives no diversity at all or a chance for an opinionated decision. Well, I just think it is self-evident really... Note that I am not inferring one way or another about the quality of potential candidates or of the incumbents in this discussion. But certainly the RPS (respect popularity and support) trifecta sounds a winner to me. __________________ Scott.. Hamilton Chess club (http://hamiltonchess.net/) secretary and chess enthusiast!

09-28-2009, 08:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	hi Shump I think it is a given that the incumbents (in office-bearer positions) will stand. The Presidents report of last year was a pearler. And this year has continued the upward trend. So, expect a great Presidents report again. regards MOZ* Originally Posted by SHump As someone said elsewhere... I wouldn't think it useful for Vic Chess if CV, as an organisation, is any of the following: not respected; ignored; non-inclusive; non-cooperative; opaque; unapproachable. It would also be a shame if there is only one candidate for each position, with the proviso that if there is only one candidate, I would think it would be OK for that candidate to be the incumbent - assuming the role has been well served by that person in the previous period. It would be a shame because a one horse race gives no diversity at all or a chance for an opinionated decision. Well, I just think it is self-evident really... Note that I am not inferring one way or another about the quality of potential candidates or of the incumbents in this discussion. But certainly the RPS (respect popularity and support) trifecta sounds a winner to me. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

09-30-2009, 10:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
flavid dude Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 336	Hi all, A shall not be making any more postings on this subject until after the election. Nor will I use any hydra. I gather than some people think that I have been a stalking horse for The Canterbury Junior Chess Club and Chess Victoria. Let me be quite clear that the views expressed have been my own. However to avoid any suggestion of impropriety I shall not post on the subject of the Chess Victoria elections. After the election I may use the Don Chipp (sometime leader of the Democrats) policy "of keeping the <expletive deleted> honest.

09-30-2009, 06:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	is that regardless who s' gonna win the election ie us mob <expletive deleted> or them <expletive deleted> mob?

09-30-2009, 09:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	Box Hill Chess Club - angel or devil? Read all about it. Plus - how can YOU help Chess? Click here to find out.

10-01-2009, 01:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by ChessGuru Box Hill Chess Club - angel or devil? Read all about it. Plus - how can YOU help Chess? Click here to find out. Angel! For sure! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-01-2009, 06:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	Originally Posted by ChessGuru Box Hill Chess Club - angel or devil? Read all about it. Plus - how can YOU help Chess? Click here to find out. Far more interesting question ChessGuru - angel or devil? Plus - how can ChessGuru help chess? (Other than getting other people to do the work) Lots of talk going on and lots of time and effort being critical of what is, but very little info to convince anyone that ChessGuru would not be worse It says loads about your management style that your starting point on fixing anything or everything is to attack whats there now rather than start with your ideas and your suggestions.

10-01-2009, 07:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	Originally Posted by Ninja Plus - how can ChessGuru help chess? (Other than getting other people to do the work) Wouldn't that be helping chess? Originally Posted by Ninja Lots of talk going on and lots of time and effort being critical of what is, but very little info to convince anyone that ChessGuru would not be worse It says loads about your management style that your starting point on fixing anything or everything is to attack whats there now rather than start with your ideas and your suggestions. I'm sorry it's come across like that. I've tried not to be critical about anything; but only offer ideas and suggestions for improvement; for example: - Social Chess clubs (and evidence of action) - Planned structure for tournaments - Plans for change - Suggestions for technology - Recommended standards for financial disclosure to create club engagement - A new team format for clubs - An example of thinking differently for the benefit of clubs - Suggestion to improve contact details for clubs - Structure for categories of clubs so CV can assist clubs improve - Model to copy for 'chess for kids at risk' - Idea for improved school-teams events, and benefit clubs - Idea for direct membership and new income stream - Thoughts for finding sponsorships - Concept for a home for Chess Victoria - Proof of benefits of partnerships (as per recommended in the Pyramid) - Ideas for CV to help clubs with websites - Some basic time-management techniques for CV - Questioning existing free entry for IMs policy - Suggestions for ideal CV Dedicated Server & Web Hosting - Encouraging Dedicated Server & Web Hosting - Recommendation for more transparent communication from CV - Comments on what is Dedicated Server & Web Hosting - Attempting a new Vision for CV I certainly haven't attacked any PERSON. I have suggested that structures, processes and culture needs to be changed, you may imply that it is an attack - but it isn't intended as such; it is a recommendation for change. Perhaps you've been too busy to read my suggestions/ideas? If you have any constructive feedback I'd love to hear it...or even additional suggestions of your own (don't worry; I won't ask you to DO anything).

10-02-2009, 06:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by ChessGuru - Thoughts for finding sponsorships With Lexus now sponsoring some chess events in Victoria, I think that is terrific. One big fish is all it takes sometimes to attract additional big fish sponsors! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-04-2009, 08:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
MikesGuns BHCC and MCC Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 248 ICC Handle: MikesGuns	Who is going for the CV president? __________________ Never get cocky when you are playing a lower rated player.

10-05-2009, 05:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by MikesGuns Who is going for the CV president? Hopefully, only Cordover. I think a CV President with business savvy is just what Chess Victoria needs right now. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

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