Chess Victoria AGM - Page 3 - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 10-07-2009, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Il cavaliere inesistente

This guy must be getting paid by Cordover. But then on the other hand why would the guru pay someone with no credibility and no vote

That's not very nice.

I have never met David in person. I am not being paid anything by him, and have never had any financial dealing with him. I don't know why I have no credibility in your view simply because I think, based only on what I have read from him, that he is the shot in the arm that CV needs right now.

Perhaps we differ on that opinion, and to be fair to Katrin I have never met her or seen any of her writings. But its not my fault she hasn't written of her ideas/plans for the future for anyone else to see.

Originally Posted by Il cavaliere inesistente

To me it seems a good idea that those posters employed by, getting money from, or are associated with Chess kids and the Guru should state their involvement so we can tell where they are coming from.

Once again, I have no financial relationship with either Mr Cordover or Katrin. I never have, and likely never will.

**Ninja** · 10-07-2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

I am sure David would inform you that his Interschool program has way more then 1,000 tournament players.

The 1000 I was referring to was not players "on the books" but attendees at a particular tournament. Qld schools tournament held last year (from memory) had over 1000 players at the one tournament.

**ChessGuru** · 10-07-2009, 03:57 PM

So the results from the Poll on who would make a better President were as follows:

Katrin Wills 23
David Cordover 23
Uncommitted 6
Gary Wastell 4

(Wills wins on tie-break due to more recent scores...2 of the last 3 votes.)

The next Poll is up online...please take the time to vote on:

What are the 3 MOST important goals for Chess Victoria to achieve in the next 12 months?

VOTE NOW

**Ninja** · 10-07-2009, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

I am sure David would inform you that his Interschool program has way more then 1,000 tournament players.

Interestingly (compared to most other posts) David does not seem to want to comment on this one at all.

Maybe real figures are too easy to attack compared to vauge promises and thinly obscure personal attacks?

**Just2Good** · 10-08-2009, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by ChessGuru

So the results from the Poll on who would make a better President were as follows:

Katrin Wills 23
David Cordover 23
Uncommitted 6
Gary Wastell 4

(Wills wins on tie-break due to more recent scores...2 of the last 3 votes.)

I didn't know there was a poll. Is it too late to vote?

**Firegoat7** · 10-08-2009, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Ninja

Interestingly (compared to most other posts) David does not seem to want to comment on this one at all.

Maybe real figures are too easy to attack compared to vauge promises and thinly obscure personal attacks?

I estimate that Chessguru's Interschool tournament had way more then 1,000 players competing in it. I suspect that even the ChessVictoria tournament had over 1,000 players. Hopefully Chessguru will provide the Ozchess audience with some statistical evidence of his achievments.

cheers,
Fg7

**Just2Good** · 10-08-2009, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by Ninja

By what measurement do you come up with this assumption?? ie GC tournament with over 1000 players is larger than anything CC has ever done. Would be an insult to put the GC chess centre facilities and CC facilities in the same category etc etc
Who's figures do you use ??

I have seen the Gardiner Chess Centre and played chess there many times. There are several juniors, but I think - and I acknowledge I haven't crunched the numbers - but I think that Chess Kids has more chess juniors and is the bigger overall organization.

While agreeing wholehearted about the normal behavior of the "usual hecklers", it would seem that for a number of them who have personal experience dealing with DC they have kept most of their posts on this topic to factual comments and for the casual observer it would seem much less of a personal attack than the continuous stream coming from DC.

Possibly. I try not to read there very often, so I will trust you are correct in saying that the personal attacks have been kept to a minimum and that the discussion is focussed on the issues at hand.

I might have missed something, but I don't remember seeing ANY post supporting DC from ANYONE within the general chess community that has had business dealings with him.

Perhaps not, but I am unsure how that would be relevant to whether or not David would be a good CV President?

This comment clearly shows that this board (and the other one as well!) have a very inflated opinion of just how many "regular average chess players, juniors, parents, etc" have any interest whatsoever in chess forums.(In their current format!).

I would estimate the 2 forums combined only have 4-7% of the chess playing public as members, with even less as posting members. That leaves over 90% who do not visit either forum nor post or read either forum.

That said most people in chess administration do participate on one or the other Australian chess forums.

**Ninja** · 10-08-2009, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

I estimate that Chessguru's Interschool tournament had way more then 1,000 players competing in it. I suspect that even the ChessVictoria tournament had over 1,000 players. Hopefully Chessguru will provide the Ozchess audience with some statistical evidence of his achievments.
cheers,Fg7

Just for clarification, my post had nothing to do with 1000 players playing in a year long competition but refered to over 1000 players playing in the one tournament at the same time.
ie 2006 Gold Coast interschool tournament had 1004 players (all in the same room, not spread across 30 tournaments during the year with names spelt 5 different ways and counted twice for each spelling)
Check out the link below for more info.
Finals day for Gold Coast Primary Schools

**ChessGuru** · 10-08-2009, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ninja

Just for clarification, my post had nothing to do with 1000 players playing in a year long competition but refered to over 1000 players playing in the one tournament at the same time.

Not wanting to split hairs; this day actually was 9 tournaments - just run on the same day. And you are correct it was the largest gathering of chess players in Australia ever! Our biggest one day will be coming up soon with about 520 (2 tournaments).

However, if you're allowed to count tournaments on the same day then I'd like to claim the BIGGEST - because I had events running in Perth, Melbourne and Hobart on the same day.... so geographically the biggest.

I will say for the record that Graeme Gardiner, and Wendy who does her fair share of the work, are both most talented, intelligent and hard-working individuals who have done a great service for chess. I have the greatest respect for their business.

**Just2Good** · 10-15-2009, 02:09 AM

Out of curiosity, for those of us in Queensland and elsewhere outside Victoria, what date is the new CV President going to be voted on and installed?

**mowcop** · 10-15-2009, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Out of curiosity, for those of us in Queensland and elsewhere outside Victoria, what date is the new CV President going to be voted on and installed?

29th November I believe

**Firegoat7** · 10-15-2009, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by mowcop

29th November I believe

Isn't that the same day of the blitz?

**Just2Good** · 10-15-2009, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by mowcop

29th November I believe

So there is lots of campaigning left to be done.

I wonder when I will start seeing the television ads during my favourite shows!

**ChessGuru** · 10-15-2009, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

So there is lots of campaigning left to be done.

Actually that's just about the end of the campaign ... I'm going away for a few weeks so won't be available to campaign until a few days before!

You get to watch your TV shows in peace.

**antichrist** · 10-15-2009, 06:02 PM

Chess Victoria proposed changes / David Cordover running for President - Page 23 - Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum

Chess Guru

Apologies. I was clearly wrong.

Herewith a formal apology to Bill for claiming that he was wrong; when in fact I was wrong. I wish to retract my previous statements and admit my error.

Garvinator - I don't recall specifically - various Aus Masters and Vic Masters by the looks of it at least 3 prior to '99. Am I wrong about that too? My first attempt at arbitering was helping Manuel Weeks at the 1994? Radisson Aus Championships. I'm sure Bill's magical historical records can find out for you a lot quicker than I can.

10-07-2009, 02:50 AM	#31 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Differing Views Originally Posted by Il cavaliere inesistente This guy must be getting paid by Cordover. But then on the other hand why would the guru pay someone with no credibility and no vote That's not very nice. I have never met David in person. I am not being paid anything by him, and have never had any financial dealing with him. I don't know why I have no credibility in your view simply because I think, based only on what I have read from him, that he is the shot in the arm that CV needs right now. Perhaps we differ on that opinion, and to be fair to Katrin I have never met her or seen any of her writings. But its not my fault she hasn't written of her ideas/plans for the future for anyone else to see. Originally Posted by Il cavaliere inesistente To me it seems a good idea that those posters employed by, getting money from, or are associated with Chess kids and the Guru should state their involvement so we can tell where they are coming from. Once again, I have no financial relationship with either Mr Cordover or Katrin. I never have, and likely never will. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-07-2009, 02:20 PM	#32 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 I am sure David would inform you that his Interschool program has way more then 1,000 tournament players. The 1000 I was referring to was not players "on the books" but attendees at a particular tournament. Qld schools tournament held last year (from memory) had over 1000 players at the one tournament.

10-07-2009, 07:21 PM	#34 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 I am sure David would inform you that his Interschool program has way more then 1,000 tournament players. Interestingly (compared to most other posts) David does not seem to want to comment on this one at all. Maybe real figures are too easy to attack compared to vauge promises and thinly obscure personal attacks?

10-08-2009, 01:12 AM	#35 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by ChessGuru So the results from the Poll on who would make a better President were as follows: Katrin Wills 23 David Cordover 23 Uncommitted 6 Gary Wastell 4 (Wills wins on tie-break due to more recent scores...2 of the last 3 votes.) I didn't know there was a poll. Is it too late to vote? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-08-2009, 01:14 AM	#36 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Ninja Interestingly (compared to most other posts) David does not seem to want to comment on this one at all. Maybe real figures are too easy to attack compared to vauge promises and thinly obscure personal attacks? I estimate that Chessguru's Interschool tournament had way more then 1,000 players competing in it. I suspect that even the ChessVictoria tournament had over 1,000 players. Hopefully Chessguru will provide the Ozchess audience with some statistical evidence of his achievments. cheers, Fg7 __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

10-07-2009, 03:57 PM	#33 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	So the results from the Poll on who would make a better President were as follows: Katrin Wills 23 David Cordover 23 Uncommitted 6 Gary Wastell 4 (Wills wins on tie-break due to more recent scores...2 of the last 3 votes.) The next Poll is up online...please take the time to vote on: What are the 3 MOST important goals for Chess Victoria to achieve in the next 12 months? VOTE NOW

10-08-2009, 03:01 AM	#37 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Interesting Points Originally Posted by Ninja By what measurement do you come up with this assumption?? ie GC tournament with over 1000 players is larger than anything CC has ever done. Would be an insult to put the GC chess centre facilities and CC facilities in the same category etc etc Who's figures do you use ?? I have seen the Gardiner Chess Centre and played chess there many times. There are several juniors, but I think - and I acknowledge I haven't crunched the numbers - but I think that Chess Kids has more chess juniors and is the bigger overall organization. While agreeing wholehearted about the normal behavior of the "usual hecklers", it would seem that for a number of them who have personal experience dealing with DC they have kept most of their posts on this topic to factual comments and for the casual observer it would seem much less of a personal attack than the continuous stream coming from DC. Possibly. I try not to read there very often, so I will trust you are correct in saying that the personal attacks have been kept to a minimum and that the discussion is focussed on the issues at hand. I might have missed something, but I don't remember seeing ANY post supporting DC from ANYONE within the general chess community that has had business dealings with him. Perhaps not, but I am unsure how that would be relevant to whether or not David would be a good CV President? This comment clearly shows that this board (and the other one as well!) have a very inflated opinion of just how many "regular average chess players, juniors, parents, etc" have any interest whatsoever in chess forums.(In their current format!). I would estimate the 2 forums combined only have 4-7% of the chess playing public as members, with even less as posting members. That leaves over 90% who do not visit either forum nor post or read either forum. That said most people in chess administration do participate on one or the other Australian chess forums. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-08-2009, 07:47 PM	#38 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 I estimate that Chessguru's Interschool tournament had way more then 1,000 players competing in it. I suspect that even the ChessVictoria tournament had over 1,000 players. Hopefully Chessguru will provide the Ozchess audience with some statistical evidence of his achievments. cheers,Fg7 Just for clarification, my post had nothing to do with 1000 players playing in a year long competition but refered to over 1000 players playing in the one tournament at the same time. ie 2006 Gold Coast interschool tournament had 1004 players (all in the same room, not spread across 30 tournaments during the year with names spelt 5 different ways and counted twice for each spelling) Check out the link below for more info. Finals day for Gold Coast Primary Schools

10-08-2009, 11:40 PM	#39 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	Originally Posted by Ninja Just for clarification, my post had nothing to do with 1000 players playing in a year long competition but refered to over 1000 players playing in the one tournament at the same time. Not wanting to split hairs; this day actually was 9 tournaments - just run on the same day. And you are correct it was the largest gathering of chess players in Australia ever! Our biggest one day will be coming up soon with about 520 (2 tournaments). However, if you're allowed to count tournaments on the same day then I'd like to claim the BIGGEST - because I had events running in Perth, Melbourne and Hobart on the same day.... so geographically the biggest. I will say for the record that Graeme Gardiner, and Wendy who does her fair share of the work, are both most talented, intelligent and hard-working individuals who have done a great service for chess. I have the greatest respect for their business.

10-15-2009, 02:09 AM	#40 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Out of curiosity, for those of us in Queensland and elsewhere outside Victoria, what date is the new CV President going to be voted on and installed? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-15-2009, 11:17 AM	#41 (permalink)
mowcop fireeater Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 825	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Out of curiosity, for those of us in Queensland and elsewhere outside Victoria, what date is the new CV President going to be voted on and installed? 29th November I believe __________________ Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand I'm trying out a new blog site..... http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/

10-15-2009, 04:12 PM	#42 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by mowcop 29th November I believe Isn't that the same day of the blitz? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

10-15-2009, 05:05 PM	#43 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Thanks! Originally Posted by mowcop 29th November I believe So there is lots of campaigning left to be done. I wonder when I will start seeing the television ads during my favourite shows! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-15-2009, 05:56 PM	#44 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One So there is lots of campaigning left to be done. Actually that's just about the end of the campaign ... I'm going away for a few weeks so won't be available to campaign until a few days before! You get to watch your TV shows in peace.

10-15-2009, 06:02 PM	#45 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	from Chesschat hot off the press Chess Victoria proposed changes / David Cordover running for President - Page 23 - Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum Chess Guru Apologies. I was clearly wrong. Herewith a formal apology to Bill for claiming that he was wrong; when in fact I was wrong. I wish to retract my previous statements and admit my error. Garvinator - I don't recall specifically - various Aus Masters and Vic Masters by the looks of it at least 3 prior to '99. Am I wrong about that too? My first attempt at arbitering was helping Manuel Weeks at the 1994? Radisson Aus Championships. I'm sure Bill's magical historical records can find out for you a lot quicker than I can. Last edited by antichrist : 10-15-2009 at 06:48 PM

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