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No Name Feder Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1. Baron, Michael 17:W 10:W 7:W 4:W 2:W 11:D 3:W 2. Chan, David 13:W 8:W 4:L 17:W 1:L 15:W 19:W 3. Morris, James :D :D 15:W 10:W 8:W 4:L 1:L 4. Jager, Jesse 18:W 11:W 2:W 1:L 5:W 3:W 7:W 5. Fitzpatrick, Brian 19:W 14:W 8:L 13:W 4:L 12:W 11:W 6. Dale, Ari 20:L 26:D 21:W 9:W 11:L 17:W 8:W 7. Lekkas, Frank 21:W 20:W 1:L 11:L 14:W 19:D 4:L 8. Addamo, Michael 22:W 2:L 5:W 18:W 3:L 9:D 6:L 9. Krunic, Milutin 23:W 27:L 17:D 6:L 16:W 8:D 13:L 10. Tosevski, Tony 24:W 1:L 16:W 3:L 15:L 18:W 14:W 11. Mortansen, Henrik 25:W 4:L 20:W 7:W 6:W 1:D 5:L 12. Knight, David 14:L 19:W 13:L 16:W 18:W 5:L 15:W 13. Tuncer, Deniz 2:L 21:W 12:W 5:L 19:L 20:W 9:W 14. Lawson, Shane 12:W 5:L 18:W 20:W 7:L 21:W 10:L 15. Stimson, David 26:L 22:W 3:L 25:W 10:W 2:L 12:L 16. Hughes, Jack 27:L 23:W 10:L 12:L 9:L 25:W 17:W 17. Dale, Finley 1:L 24:W 9:D 2:L 22:W 6:L 16:L 18. Kolak, Tanya 4:L 25:W 14:L 8:L 12:L 10:L 22:W 19. Puccini, Jack 5:L 12:L 24:W 22:W 13:W 7:D 2:L 20. Wildes, John 6:W 7:L 11:L 14:L 25:W 13:L 24:W 21. Nowak, Ruben 7:L 13:L 6:L 23:W 24:W 14:L :W 22. Tosevski, Bosko 8:L 15:L 23:W 19:L 17:L :W 18:L 23. Sherbakova, Sveta 9:L 16:L 22:L 21:L :W 24:L 25:W 24. Warren, Elizabeth 10:L 17:L 19:L :W 21:L 23:W 20:L 25. Yang, Ray 11:L 18:L :W 15:L 20:L 16:L 23:L 26. Muller, Michael 15:W 6:D : : : : : 27. Muller, Sophie 16:W 9:W : : : : :
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Place Name Feder Rtg Loc Score M-Buch. Buch. Progr. 1 Morris, James 2325 7 20.0 29.0 28.0 2 Baron, Michael 2493 6 19.5 29.5 24.0 3 Lekkas, Frank 1913 5 20.5 30.0 20.0 4 Krunic, Milutin 1864 4 20.0 27.5 19.0 5 Saint, Andrew 1831 4 19.0 27.5 16.0 6 Dale, Ari 1953 4 18.5 26.0 16.0 7 Tuncer, Deniz 1792 4 16.5 25.0 15.0 8 Cavezza, Paul 1590 4 15.5 21.0 13.0 9 Addamo, Michael 1912 3 21.5 31.0 15.0 10 Tosevski, Tony 1885 3 19.5 28.0 14.0 11 Kolak, Tanya 1547 3 17.0 22.5 12.0 12 Warren, Elizabeth 1198 3 15.0 19.5 10.0 13 Nowak, Ruben 1485 3 14.5 19.0 8.0 14 Wittmann-Lamb, Zander 1238 2 15.0 19.5 7.0 15 Yang, Ray 670 1 15.0 20.5 7.0 Code:
No Name Feder Rtg 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 Morris, James 2325 7:W 9:W 6:W 2:W 3:W 4:W 10:W 2 Baron, Michael 2493 5:W 10:W 3:W 1:L 6:W 9:W 4:W 3 Lekkas, Frank 1913 11:W 4:W 2:L 9:W 1:L 5:W 7:W 4 Krunic, Milutin 1864 12:W 3:L 15:W 10:W 5:W 1:L 2:L 5 Saint, Andrew 1831 2:L 11:W 12:W 6:W 4:L 3:L 0:W 6 Dale, Ari 1953 8:W 15:W 1:L 5:L 2:L 13:W 9:W 7 Tuncer, Deniz 1792 1:L 13:W 10:L 14:W 8:W 11:W 3:L 8 Cavezza, Paul 1590 6:L 14:W 9:L 12:W 7:L 0:W 11:W 9 Addamo, Michael 1912 13:W 1:L 8:W 3:L 10:W 2:L 6:L 10 Tosevski, Tony 1885 14:W 2:L 7:W 4:L 9:L 12:W 1:L 11 Kolak, Tanya 1547 3:L 5:L 13:W 15:W 0:W 7:L 8:L 12 Warren, Elizabeth 1198 4:L 0:W 5:L 8:L 14:W 10:L 15:W 13 Nowak, Ruben 1485 9:L 7:L 11:L 0:W 15:W 6:L 14:W 14 Wittmann-Lamb, Zander 1238 10:L 8:L 0:W 7:L 12:L 15:W 13:L 15 Yang, Ray 670 0:W 6:L 4:L 11:L 13:L 14:L 12:L
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Frank, Michael, Jack, Pauletc, Here are the ratings for todays use. Cheers, Grant
MELBOURNE CHESS CLUB ALLEGRO RATINGS Updated after Allegro 102, 12-2-11 NAME RATING GAMES ALLEGROS ADDAMO, Michael 1913 220 30 AKHAVIAN, Mohammed 910 3 1 ANTOLIS, Cedric 2093 7 1 ANTON, Sara 1584 59 9 BARON, Michael (FM) 2495 703 98 BEAUMONT, Archie 414 19 3 BEAUMONT, David 1942 139 20 BEAUMONT, Fitzroy 1062 7 1 BEKKER, Gary 1435 7 1 BOYLE, Sam 730 18 3 BRAND, David 1633 7 1 BRKJLAC, Milan 1783 75 12 CANNON, David 1388 6 1 CASCANINO, Mark 1255 6 1 CAVEZZA, Paul 1597 117 16 CHAN, David (FM) 2387 7 1 CHMIEL, Rad 1803 82 12 CHOWDHURY, Mahmud 1696 8 1 CONYERS, Garry 1465 15 2 DALE, Ari 1927 314 43 DALE, Finley 1593 261 37 D’ONOFRIO, Rodolfo 1427 13 1 DE MAUPEOU, Alban 1276 7 1 DOWARD, Justin 1550 13 2 DOWLING, John 1986 14 2 DRAGICEVIC, Domagoi 2048 27 3 DRORY, Zevv 1876 7 1 FEAINE, Damien 1076 55 10 FITZGERALD, Bruce 510 7 1 FITZPATRICK, Brian 2019 251 36 FLETCHER, Andrew 1735 36 5 FRAYLE, Ben 1374 141 21 GARNER, David 2169 7 1 GAWIN, Izabella 1312 52 7 GAWIN, Sebastian 1313 14 2 GAWIN, Thomas 1259 21 3 GHAFOURI, Khosrou 1623 7 1 GHOBRIAL, Adel 1550 32 4 GILLESPIE, Gary 1650 6 1 GIRGIN, Baris 1027 7 1 GIRGIN, Ege 1108 7 1 GLEESON, Daved 1410 7 1 GODINO, Tarkan 431 19 3 GORKA, Carl 2040 31 4 GRGUREVIC, Peter 978 6 1 GROKOW, Andrew 1799 28 4 GURRAM, Sreemanth 898 238 38 HACCHE, David 2027 7 1 HAJDU, Gabor 1146 7 1 HAJDU, John 1040 7 1 HAMILTON, Liam 1288 7 1 HANSON, Tom 938 7 1 HAO PENG 1575 7 1 HARRIS, Anthony 1574 158 22 HASKIN, Ben 1223 7 1 HAYMAN, Adam 1331 12 1 HAYMAN, Kevin 960 11 1 HEALY, Conner 1119 7 1 HENRY, Alistair 1355 8 1 HICKS, Andy 1487 7 1 HJORTH, Greg (IM) 2433 14 2 HORNUNG, Brook 1157 7 1 HORNUNG, Michael 1896 7 1 HOSE, Shaun 1591 84 12 HUGHES, Jack 1588 307 47 ILIC, Goran 1746 85 12 ILIC, Milan 1693 16 2 ILIC, Nicholas 993 32 5 JAFFRY, Syed 1432 4 1 JAGER, Jesse 2235 112 16 JARVIS, Russel 1010 13 2 JOSE, Wilfrado 1367 6 1 JOTHIBABU, Andrew 1436 19 3 KAPLAN, Alex 1568 28 4 KARA, Barbaros 1681 28 4 KARUMBI, Simon 1645 242 35 KISHINEVSKI, Efim 1508 7 1 KNIGHT, David 1789 7 1 KOLAK, Chris 2011 576 81 KOLAK, Geoffrey 935 102 16 KOLAK, Tanya 1544 151 22 KOSTRZEWA, Jake 1472 52 8 KOUTRABINIS, Petros 1068 6 1 KRISTANSEN, Ivan 1841 7 1 KROL, Borris 1982 14 2 KRUNIC, Milutin 1885 535 76 LAKSHMAN, Vinay 1400 6 1 LAWSON, Shane 1642 20 3 LEE, Kam 1570 27 4 LEKKAS, Adolph 1538 111 16 LEKKAS, Frank 1962 469 68 LI 1709 7 1 LINDBERG, Douglas 1999 153 22 LINDBERG, Eric 1327 34 5 LOUIS, Andrew 1324 6 1 MACAULAY, Alistair 1109 85 13 MACAULAY, James 1501 240 41 MARTIN, Jamie 1591 7 1 MARTINEZ, Octavio 1717 13 1 MARTINI, Martin 1275 7 1 MATHESON, Laurence 1967 33 4 McBRIDE, Kelvin 1934 34 5 McCART, Roger 1588 14 2 McCUSKER, Brendan 1076 6 1 McFUDD, 623 4 1 McGAULEY, Will 907 7 1 McGORLICK, Eden 1400 14 2 MIJATOVIC, Bosko 1750 78 11 MOCLARI, Philip 1905 6 1 MORRIS, Blair 1099 13 1 MORRIS, James (IM) 2354 213 30 MORTENSEN, Henrik 1872 7 1 MOSS, Michael 1469 45 7 MOUSAFERIADIS, Demetrius 506 19 3 MUELLER, Michael 1807 2 1 MUELLER, Sophie 1813 2 1 MULLEN, Chris 1101 7 1 MURPHY, Ray 883 13 2 NOWAK, Ruben 1484 211 31 OCAMPO, Ivan 1207 26 4 O-MOLLOY, Eamonn 1507 77 11 PARTSI, Dimitri 2015 63 9 PEARCE, Eric 1342 6 1 PECORI, Ascaro 1969 96 15 PECORI, Karem 400 19 3 PECORI, Rafael 998 52 8 PELLIKKA, Pekka 1624 21 3 PENROSE, Justin 2083 6 1 PRATSCH, Jurgen 1780 21 3 PUCCINI, Jack 1561 317 44 QIN, Tomson 1362 13 1 RAINE, Marcus 1855 52 7 RAMADGE, Scott 918 6 1 RAYSO  HILL, Tristan 1292 330 49RENZIES, Elliot 1512 27 3 RHODE  MORRIS, Ishan 1102 46 7ROBERTS, Jono 1401 13 2 RODEK, Alexandra 642 3 1 RODEK, Tony 1177 3 1 ROSARIO, Amiel 1778 6 1 RUAN, Max 1385 128 19 RUAN, Sherrie 341 33 5 RUJEVIC, Mirko (IM) 2197 22 3 SAINT, Andrew 1837 96 13 SANTOZA, Tony 1520 45 7 SCHEFREDRIM, Faris 1679 6 1 SCHMIDT, Simon 1673 42 6 SCHROEDER, Nicholaas 1178 151 22 SCHULZER, Peter 1576 14 2 SCHWARCZ, Andy 1684 7 1 SCOPELLITI, Daniel 811 24 4 SCOPELLITI, Paul 1240 25 4 SELVAM, Jonathan 1679 7 1 SHAKERIAM, Abbas 1334 13 2 SHANKS, Jack 1646 22 3 SHERBAKOVA, Sveta 1244 21 3 SIMON, Endre 1537 174 25 SIMPSON, Max 893 15 3 SIMPSON, Nick 1049 7 1 SIMUTANYI, Kozo 1854 99 14 SINGAMSETTI, Sohith 1021 167 26 SIPPENAUER, Florian 1800 7 1 SKOLNIK, Michael 1291 46 6 SMIRNOV, Vladimir (FM) 2331 7 1 SMREK, Dusan 1734 12 2 SO, Alvin 975 6 1 STEELE, Michael 1299 26 4 STIMSON, David 1637 273 40 STONE, Ian 1767 77 11 SUMARGO, Julianto 1464 8 1 TAN, Daniel 1655 14 2 TAN, Justin 1916 28 4 TAN, Kai 1509 6 1 TANNER, Michael 1592 100 15 TAYLOR, Steph 1504 7 1 TOPOL, David 1652 147 21 TOSEVSKI, Bosko 1453 340 49 TOSEVSKI, Tony 1885 673 95 TREMAYNE, Bevan 951 13 2 TROTT, Tim 1578 7 1 TSAGARAKIS, Angelo 1765 7 1 TSOUKALAS, Angelos 1654 58 9 TUGLACI, Sherif 1649 7 1 TUNCER, Deniz 1793 187 26 URBAN, Sylvester 1957 200 28 VAN ZYL SMIT, Alexander 740 40 6 VAN ZYL SMIT, Daniela 1076 14 2 VAN ZYL SMIT, Michael 706 33 5 VAN ZYL SMIT, Rion 870 20 3 VOON, Richard 1809 21 3 WALLIS, Chris 2098 13 1 WALLMEULLER, Joerg 1683 5 1 WARREN, Elizabeth 1223 379 58 WARREN, Nicolas 1215 6 1 WATSON, Joshua 698 25 4 WATSON, Mark 995 19 3 WEBB, Will 1203 7 1 WERTHEIM, Steve 1582 75 11 WIATR, David 1555 14 2 WILDES, John 1510 172 25 WIM, Glenn 1626 7 1 WITTMA LAMB, Zander 1235 13 2WOLF, Peter 1783 42 6 WONG, Chloe 1177 26 4 WONG, Emmanual 1079 36 6 WERTHEIM, Steve 1576 68 10 YANG, Ray 670 18 3 YAU, Yau 1140 6 1 YIANNAKOU, Johnny 828 4 1 ZHAO, Isaac 880 11 2 ZUCCALA, Chris 1511 7 1
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1 Morris, James 2354 6.5 21.0 29.5 25.0
2 Jager, Jesse 2235 5.5 20.5 30.0 22.5
3 Beaumont, David 1942 5 19.0 25.0 19.0
4-5 Baron, Michael 2495 4.5 22.5 32.5 19.0
Urban, Sylvester 1957 4.5 20.5 30.0 19.0
6-12 Lekkas, Frank 1962 4 23.0 32.5 21.0
Tosevski, Tony 1885 4 18.5 27.0 18.0
Saint, Andrew 1837 4 18.5 24.5 15.5
Garner, David 2169 4 18.0 25.5 20.0
Smrek, Dusan 1734 4 18.0 24.0 17.5
Tuncer, Deniz 1793 4 17.0 25.0 12.5
Wolf, Peter 1783 4 16.0 23.5 13.0
13-14 Krunic, Milutin 1885 3.5 19.5 26.5 15.5
Ghobrial, Adal 1550 3.5 18.0 24.5 13.5
15-20 Kolak, Chris 2011 3 19.0 28.5 16.0
Kolak, Tanya 1544 3 18.0 24.0 13.0
Cavezza, Paul 1597 3 16.5 23.5 12.0
Addamo, Michael 1913 3 16.5 23.0 11.5
Hughes, Jack 1588 3 15.5 21.0 11.0
Puccini, Jack 1561 3 13.5 19.0 7.5
21-24 Simon, Endre 1537 2 16.5 22.5 5.0
Dale, Finley 1593 2 16.0 21.0 10.0
Kolak, Geoffrey 935 2 15.5 20.0 7.0
Feaine, Damien 1076 2 7.5 12.5 3.0
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This position caused controversy today. I have reversed the colors for the diagram (in the game I was actually White with connected passed pawns). With 17 seconds left on the clock I stopped the clock saying that White had no winning chances and sought the arbiter. Michael objected and refused a draw and it took about 20 minutes to resolve the dispute. I think its pretty obvious the position is drawn. My understanding was that if White couldn't prove a winning plan then the arbiter can intervene and say he is just trying to win on time and declare a draw. I think a draw is a fair result. Eventually the game was declared drawn by the arbiter (Jack Hughes), who did a splendid job under the pressure. Although at one point basically he suggested two minutes extra for both players, which was clearly wrong. Remember this is allegro chess. How should Black claim the draw in this position? [Event "MCC Allegro [Round "2"] [White "Baron"] [Black "Beaumont"] [Result "1/2 1/2"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "6b1/6P1/1Pk5/8/4p3/2BpK3/8/8 w - - 21 56"] Bd4
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These disputes happen occasionally at allegro and can become very heated. The worst part is that the tournament is delayed because people are arguing. It also ruins the club's usually friendly atmosphere. I think an arbiter should be nominated before each tournament and players will agree to respect the arbiter's decision.
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Hi,
Here is Michael's Version of events on Chesschat Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - MCC Allegro 2011 I must refute some of these points.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
All I did was ask for a draw on three different occasions. The First was psychological (it worked) and was fair. The next one was also fair as the position was technically drawn. The last one may not have been fair but it was clear Baron was just trying to win on time. That is why I stopped the clock, (waited for the other games to finish), and called the arbiter.
I was not screaming, if anyone was screaming it was Michael.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
Exactly!
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
This is not technically correct. I stopped the clock and said that the arbiter needs to resolve the decision. Remember
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
Well his understanding was wrong, but he is only a kid and you should know better.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
Arbiter is a kid of about 1500 strength. He might not have understood why the position is a CLEAR draw.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
You cannot seem to make up your mind about the position. It is not a win, it is a very clear draw. You said it was a draw, now you are saying it has winning chances. The position is a draw, everybody in the room could see this.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
I don't think this a very fair. I just pointed out how trivial the position is.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
I simply stopped the clock and suggested to the arbiter that a decision needed to be made about whether you were just trying to take me out on time in a drawn position. Which is exactly what you were doing. I had 7 seconds left, we had just made about 8 moves and you had made no progress.
I did nothing wrong, I simply followed the rules.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
The situation reached this point because you didn't show enough leadership or maturity.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
I think you were the person who was most interfering with the other games by being too noisy. I did suggest we resolve it after the other games finished, since an arbiter could not be found (yet again). I repeated numerous times that I stopped the clocks to get an arbiters decision.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
No
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There is no winning plan. You said it yourself.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
There is no trick. The position is drawn. I followed the rules, you need to learn the rules.
Originally Posted by Michael Baron
What a silly thing to say. Have a good long look at your behaviour here Michael. I simply knew the rules, you didn't and I exercised my authority as a player to have the dispute resolved.
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Originally Posted by UrBANE
Yes I agree. The only issue is when the arbiter is playing.
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Hi,
The link for this thread is on Chesschat here...Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - MCC Allegro 2011
Originally Posted by Jack Hughes
No apology is required. Arbiters make mistakes, just like chessplayers, it would have been easier for you if a disputes committee existed.
Originally Posted by Jack Hughes
Michael is simply lying when he says he is trying to win the position on the board. You do not need to apologise to him because a) He has played enough allegro to understand this rule; b) He knows the position was drawn ; and c) Michaels attempt to win this position on time is clearly unethical.
You made the right decision. In fact, in the end, the arbiters decision on how to proceed was 100% correct. I agree, maybe I should not have stopped the clock the second time. But I wasn't sure if you were going to make a decision because of your inexperience and so I needed to morally point out to the crowd that a decision had to be made by the arbiter! If the flag falls without a decision being made the situation risks becoming even more chaotic. The position was clearly drawn and the right result prevailed. Good arbitration!
Originally Posted by Jack Hughes
Personally, I think that since the arbiters play in the event that a much more flexible working of the arbiters position should prevail. At the start of every allegro, I believe, that we should appoint 1 main arbiter, and 3 deputy arbiters who have the capacity to resolve disputes as a committee.
This would a) guarantee that when the arbiter is playing one of the deputy arbiters step into a leadership role. b) Any major dispute can be resolved with an informed 3 or 4 person council. c) Senior players would no longer be able to coerce arbiters into bad decisions. d) A healthier respect for the laws of chess and the arbiters decisions would apply. I think we ought to rotate the assistant arbiters so that EVERYBODY, juniors included, carry the responsibility of knowing the laws of chess. Just work your way through the list alphabetically and get people involved. At the end of the day, Michael is a friend, so I don't want to get to involved with personal attacks. But his interpretation of events and they way he conducted himself was far below what I expect from a player of his experience. I am completely within my right to stop the clock and ask for an arbiter to examine the position. If Michael does not understand this then he needs to learn the rules of allegro chess.
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Originally Posted by Pablito15
Well its against the rules to proceed in such a manner.
I noticed your post over there
Originally Posted by Pablito15
There is absolutely no play in the position. It is so trivial, that I even pointed out the plan. It is standard technique. Michael was milking the clock, its as simple as that. He simply cannot get active with his King without allowing a deflective sacrifice. The reality is he would have probably allowed me to Queen then claimed time. This rule exists to stop unethical flagging.
Originally Posted by Pablito15
I have assumed responsibility by using the official rules in their proper context. Last year I had Marcus Raine use the exact same rule against me in allegro when he was short of time. The arbiter Grant Szuveges made a ruling that the position was draw. It was the correct ruling and it should be noted that he would have declared the game drawn in this position when shown it.
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I agree. The argument went something like this.
Fg7: The position is drawn, I am stopping the clocks to get the arbiter to decide the outcome of the position, who is the arbiter MB: There is no arbiter Fg7: Well we need an arbiter MB: You want a draw when you ask for draw on my time? You have to remember Baron was furious since he had actually been a Rook ahead in the game and had reached a drawn position. He would have quite happily taken me out on time.He wasn't thinking completely rationally here. Line in the sand sort of stuff. It turns out Jack Hughes is the arbiter. I suggest we wait to the other games finish before resolving the dispute, since Morris and Urban were already upset with the noise. Furthermore, I could tell straight away that Jack didn't know what had to be done. I thought it was wrong to put the kid in that position, but he didn't seem to mind and besides its a good learning experience for him. So then, I tried to get three strong players together and resolve the dispute when its clear Jack does not know what to do ie an experienced disputes committee. Standard stuff when people are not confident in the arbiters decision. I even suggested that Michael could choose the people provided they were over 1800. Again my advice was dismissed. It may not be so obvious to everybody in the playing room, but Michael Baron certainly knows that I have probably arbited more events then the combined playing pool in that tournament. I did exactly what I was supposed to do in that situation as a player, with the exception of stopping the clock for the second time, which as I explained was because I wasn't certain Jack was going to make a decision. All this begs the question who is at fault for this dispute?
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