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Old 10-15-2009, 05:22 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Old 10-15-2009, 06:17 PM   #122 (permalink)
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In similar circumstances I have fought in when in FG's positon, esp when there is money on it. And often enough I come up with a win - it is all part of the game - it is not over till it is over. And everyone else can get stuffed.

I also agree with FG pushing that his opposition's next touch of the pieces should be interpreted as his next move. As I have stated elsewhere - you try and get away with everything that you can - just like the Israeli Defence Forces! (whom I hate)
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:01 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Typical comment from arrogant "strong" chessplayer who keeps making the most basic psychological mistakes based on some weird idea of purity. Is it any wonder that I am completely owning you at allegro!

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Yours is Typical comment of an uneducated person who is running out of things to say..and starts a personal attack instead . By the way, you did beat me twice in allegro..but i believe I must be having a plus score against you overall

In my opinion, insisting on playing on in the final position is disrespectful towards one's opponent.

Speaking of owning....I keep crushing you with 2 min to 5 handicap every time we play
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:03 PM   #124 (permalink)
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In similar circumstances I have fought in when in FG's positon, esp when there is money on it. And often enough I come up with a win - it is all part of the game - it is not over till it is over. And everyone else can get stuffed.

I also agree with FG pushing that his opposition's next touch of the pieces should be interpreted as his next move. As I have stated elsewhere - you try and get away with everything that you can - just like the Israeli Defence Forces! (whom I hate)
Hold on, so you hate Israeli forces..but support FG who you claim is doing a similar thing? Where is the logic
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Old 10-16-2009, 02:46 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
Yours is Typical comment of an uneducated person who is running out of things to say..and starts a personal attack instead
To be honest Mike, I never attacked you as a person. I merely made an observation that "strong" chess players like yourself seem to believe that this position should be a draw based on the chess position. Players like yourself continually ignore the psychological issues that were present in the chess position. More importantly they deliberately ignore the psychological considerations that occured when the draw was offered. However, they tend to remember such things when it suits them! They normally like to tell arbiters what the correct decision should have been despite never volunteering to arbit themselves.

Furthermore, your comment about education is a little bit strange.
It is difficult, in the context of the discussion, to imagine a perspective where it seems valid. Personally, I don't believe that a persons intelligence is directly related to their writing ability. I think most people with intelligence would realise that they speak very differently from how they write.


However, since you brought up the topic, your written mastery of the English language is very poor. It most certainly not of the standard that is normally associated with somebody,like yourself, who has completed a tertiary PHD in economics.

A couple of points....
"Yours" is poorly phrased, and a bad choice for opening a sentence
"is" cannot be possessed by the term "yours" for numerous grammatical reasons.
"Typical" does not require a capital letter. but it most certainly needs the word "a" in the context of the sentence.

I could list further examples, but I will not. It is unimportant to our conversation because I understood the meanings you implied. Playing the class card was always going to be difficult without respected authority.

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. By the way, you did beat me twice in allegro..but i believe I must be having a plus score against you overall
I beg to differ. In MCC 2009 allegro games I have an overall plus score against you.
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In my opinion, insisting on playing on in the final position is disrespectful towards one's opponent.
You are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, accepting a draw offer from a player who should be claiming triple repetition is a psychological mistake.

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Speaking of owning....I keep crushing you with 2 min to 5 handicap every time we play
I cannot argue with the facts. You are simply a stronger player then myself at this form of the game.

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Old 10-16-2009, 05:37 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7 View Post
To be honest Mike, I never attacked you as a person. I merely made an observation that "strong" chess players like yourself seem to believe that this position should be a draw based on the chess position. Players like yourself continually ignore the psychological issues that were present in the chess position. More importantly they deliberately ignore the psychological considerations that occured when the draw was offered. However, they tend to remember such things when it suits them! They normally like to tell arbiters what the correct decision should have been despite never volunteering to arbit themselves.

Furthermore, your comment about education is a little bit strange.
It is difficult, in the context of the discussion, to imagine a perspective where it seems valid. Personally, I don't believe that a persons intelligence is directly related to their writing ability. I think most people with intelligence would realise that they speak very differently from how they write.


However, since you brought up the topic, your written mastery of the English language is very poor. It most certainly not of the standard that is normally associated with somebody,like yourself, who has completed a tertiary PHD in economics.

A couple of points....
"Yours" is poorly phrased, and a bad choice for opening a sentence
"is" cannot be possessed by the term "yours" for numerous grammatical reasons.
"Typical" does not require a capital letter. but it most certainly needs the word "a" in the context of the sentence.

I could list further examples, but I will not. It is unimportant to our conversation because I understood the meanings you implied. Playing the class card was always going to be difficult without respected authority.


I beg to differ. In MCC 2009 allegro games I have an overall plus score against you.

You are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, accepting a draw offer from a player who should be claiming triple repetition is a psychological mistake.


I cannot argue with the facts. You are simply a stronger player then myself at this form of the game.

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LOL, do you seriously expect me to write and edit my BB postings like if they are academic essays or novels . If you are interested i can post a link to my ph.d thesis here but I doubt you are interested .

By ''uneducated'' i referred to your working-class style of responding to the arguments.

My point is very clear - playing on in such position is disrespectful towards your opponent. I have never denied the importance of psychological factors in chess but get real! In that position, how can white possibily lose it? And claiming that he played Kg3 and the move should stand is in my opinion is poor sportsmanship - it has nothing to do with one's standard of play. It is common sense that he was analysing rather than making the move on the board, since he felt the actual game was over!

I am greatly surprised that the appeals committee asked for the game to be continued...really really surprised! Also, I am curious...when you see Ivanov, does he still say hello to you?
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Old 10-16-2009, 09:29 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Mike, re post immediately above. I have gambled hundreds of dollars on an individual game and I do exactly as FG, fight every inch on the board and off the board, in the rules and in the head. Then when you come from behind and win on one of their over cocky mistakes you shatter them and they whinge about my not resigning. Bulldust, I am not going to resign while I have some breath of life. I am quite good at going for stalemates, can get quite often enough and have even sacked 4 or 5 pieces to get a stalemate. Not boasting just stating that don't resign if an inportant game.

One of my students got so many bloody queens (showing off but a junior) that he stalemated his lost opponent.

I consider it rude when someone implies that my game is lost etc. I have always valued my fighting spirit no matter what. Considering FGs rating his attitude was reasonable. If there is a monster difference in rating I will certainly consider resigning.

BTW, I wanted to get the Israeli jibe in coz I don't always have that freedom of speech.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:47 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Mike, re post immediately above. I have gambled hundreds of dollars on an individual game and I do exactly as FG, fight every inch on the board and off the board, in the rules and in the head. Then when you come from behind and win on one of their over cocky mistakes you shatter them and they whinge about my not resigning. Bulldust, I am not going to resign while I have some breath of life. I am quite good at going for stalemates, can get quite often enough and have even sacked 4 or 5 pieces to get a stalemate. Not boasting just stating that don't resign if an inportant game.

One of my students got so many bloody queens (showing off but a junior) that he stalemated his lost opponent.

I consider it rude when someone implies that my game is lost etc. I have always valued my fighting spirit no matter what. Considering FGs rating his attitude was reasonable. If there is a monster difference in rating I will certainly consider resigning.

BTW, I wanted to get the Israeli jibe in coz I don't always have that freedom of speech.
I consider it rude when people play on with a King vs. King and Queen etc. There is a difference between fighting spirit and having good manners. FG position has already been repeated several times...so clearly the game was going to be drawn. To me, the whole escalation and appeal were unnecessary
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Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
I consider it rude when people play on with a King vs. King and Queen etc. There is a difference between fighting spirit and having good manners. FG position has already been repeated several times...so clearly the game was going to be drawn. To me, the whole escalation and appeal were unnecessary
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People playing on in almost lost positions is pretty common in my neck of the woods.
For the record, I don't like it either, but I think that those said people tend to get preoccupied with the word "almost" and of course they are within the hallowed fide rules to do so.
I dont believe that the term "good manners" appears in those rules which is regrettable, I agree.

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If you are interested i can post a link to my ph.d thesis here but I doubt you are interested
I wouldn't mind having a read of it! Please post the link, I am looking forward to taking a look at it.
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I wouldn't mind having a read of it! Please post the link, I am looking forward to taking a look at it.
LOL I think you will find it rather boring (as it is a research publication rather than a book)...but you asked for it .

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Kildisas-Johansen 0-1
Rujevic-Hacche 1-0
Hamilton-Levi 0-1
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I consider it rude when people play on with a King vs. King and Queen etc. There is a difference between fighting spirit and having good manners. FG position has already been repeated several times...so clearly the game was going to be drawn. To me, the whole escalation and appeal were unnecessary
Usually for sure, but if the winning player is almost out of time, only maybe 15 secs left then play on for possible draw. If FG's game could be "won" via the rules then good on him. If he had 2 wins via the rules then good on him.
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LOL I think you will find it rather boring (as it is a research publication rather than a book)...but you asked for it .

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