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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
Why are you such a stupid person who displays time and time again the most incredible inability to understand the most basic of issues in chess?
Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
O really?
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O really?
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They conspired to achieve the same result!
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Don't be ridiculous. Of course it is relevant. If his age was unimportant then simply ask yourself at what point would it become important? 14,12,10 or 6 years old?
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No. Without wanting to make this sound an attack on James, which it is not, I wish to make this point. If James Morris was the most intelligent gifted intellectual on the planet with an IQ of 200 I would still argue that because he is a minor he should not be on the disputes committee. You would argue that age is not important, I disagree. Never shall the two viewpoints meet. End of story.
Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
Haha Get a clue about what really happened, you ignorant ratings abuser!
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Correct.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Incorrect. There is no requirement under Article 9.2b for the player to inform the arbiter.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
If you disagree with the arbiters decision you should take that up with the arbiter and not start an argument with your opponent who undoubtedly was happy with the arbiters decision.
BAsed on Gary's evidence it would appear to be fine.
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If Ivanov believed the game had ended especially due to the actions of the arbiter then he should not be penalised because of it.
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But as point of order on the rules this decision must be just wrong.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
The position occurred for the third time once you made your 63rd move.
Ivanov then claimed a draw on his move as was his right in accordance with Article 9.2b. He did not need to summon the arbiter. You have not yet shown why his draw claim was invalid.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
You are the one who does not appear to understand the rules by making claims such as:
1) ".. I played the last move, not my opponent. Therefore I do not see how my opponent can claim three fold repetition in the manner described." 2) " If we remember that my opponent did not notify the arbiter." |
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7
I see you are talking about yourself again.
Yes really. Yes really. So they were out to get you. Your paranoia is showing.
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As I already said it depends how well they understand the laws of chess.
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Agreed end of story as I do not agree with you.
The only one being abusive as usual is you. |
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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
Bill Gletsos is wrong.
There was no correct draw claim. Prove there was a 'correct' draw claim or simply be quiet. cheers,
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Yeah shocker by me. But I was in bad time trouble and to be honest, had gone wrong much earlier.
cheers,
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7
I have shown why your claims to date that Ivanov's claim of a draw by triple repetition was incorrectly made are wrong.
You cannot claim that he was not permitted to make the claim since you made that last move and not him because he is allowed to claim under those circusmstances as per Article 9.2b. You cannot claim he had to summon the arbiter as there is no such requirement under 9.2b. Therefore the onus is on you to show why Ivanovs' claim was incorrect. Last edited by Bill Gletsos : 10-12-2009 at 11:53 PM |
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David, why do you want to play on in that position? One does not have to be Kasparov to predict the final result of this game.
Secondly, Lets say the arbiter and/or the appeals comm. would come from Mars and force Ivanov to play Kg3 ...would you be happy with a victory of such kind? |
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You must tell the arbiter you are claiming triple repetition.
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Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
Because I can correctly claim a draw at any moment, but my opponent might always make an error!
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All people do unpredictable things under pressure.
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Yes!
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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
I don't agree. You still have to claim the draw in 9.2b. Do you have an example from real life that proves your particular interpretation?
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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
If you seriously believe that a player claiming a draw for triple repetition is under no obligation to get a ruling from an arbiter, then you must believe that as soon as Ivanov announces draw the game is over.
So the question then becomes how is the draw offer proven? Utilising your ridiculous interpretation there is no need to prove the claim at all!! Haha It is a draw the player said so! You and Bonham need to join the real world cheers,
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Of course you must actually voice the claim but it does not require the arbiter. The claim can be made directly to the opponent.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
I have seen it happen many times.
1) Player A makes a move that thats the position for the third time. 2) Player B before touching a piece claims the triple rep. 3) Player A & B shake hands and sign their scoresheets and take them to the officials table and pass them to the arbiter. Only if Player A does not accept the claim is correct or believes that player B did not follow the correct procedure does the arbiter need to get involved. In the above scenario if Player A believes that Player B's claim is incorrect or not done in the correct manner then he should inform the player of that fact and then either player A or Player B could stop the clock and summon the arbiter. It is quite clear in the circumstances that Ivanov could legally claim triple rep after your 63rd move directly to you in accordance with Article 9.2b. You should have just acknowledged that his triple rep claim was valid. It appears that your lack of knowledge of the rules led you to reject his claim believing that he could not make that claim since you made the last move or that his claim had to go via the arbiter. Both of these beliefs on your part are wrong. |
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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
What a crock!
All you are discribing is an agreed draw. In your ad hoc example, Player A is under no obligation to do anything! Haha Nevertheless, Ivanov never even reached step 2. When someone says "Draw" it can mean absolutely anything. The problem with you Gletsos is that it still hasn't dawned on you that Ivanov never claimed triple repetition. Furthermore, even if he had I could have simply ignored him. A player, especially one in time trouble, is under no obligation to prove his opponents draw claim. That is the job of the arbiter! I have highlighted that crap you posted in bold writing. It is wrong. Please take some time to think about why it is complete nonsense. cheers,
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