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Originally Posted by mowcop
Yes, this seems fair enough to me too. Joerg was an entrant and survived the selection process. He subsequently withdrew from the event and names that were on the substitutes list became candidates to fill the vacancy. Elliott came in to fill the vacancy.
The Championship player you reference needs to formalize his withdrawal to those running the tournament. It is a State Championship and the rules need to be observed in the interest of all participants.
regards MOZ* ps call me on 0409 259 490 if you wish to discuss.
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The Victorian championships takes on another dimension with IM qualified James Morris taking a place in the field. The absence of strong juniors from the Championship has been well discussed above, and JM's presence will add special interest on behalf of this part of the demographic.
First game is tomorrow; see CV web-site for detail. The RESERVES has two vacancies caused by two late withdrawals. Contact me on 0409 259 490 or Leonid Sandler if you are a candidate for the RESERVES. MOZ*
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Good work Trevor and Leonid
![]() James was only aware of his availability after the deadline for entry to the tournament, so thanks goes to the organisers for letting him play. The State Championship will be a great experience for James, and as others have said, it is unfortunate that more juniors can't participate in the State's most important event. Good luck James
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Championship:
Morris : Kildisas Johansen : Dragicevic Pyke : Rujevic Hacche : Hamilton Levi : Lindberg Sandler : Lee Reserves: Beattie : Toper Wijesuriya : Hayman Beaumont : Renzies Dizdarevic : Ivanov Flude : Gamage Chief Arbiter IA Gary Bekker |
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Round 1 results
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Championship Sandler-Morris 0-1 Wang-Levi draw Lindberg-Hacche draw Hamilton-Pyke 1-0 Rujevic-Johansen 0-1 Dragicevic-Kildisas 1-0 Reserves Flude -Beattie 1-0 by forfeit Tumula Gamage- Dizdarevic 0-1 Ivanov-Beaumont draw Renzies-Wijesuriya draw Hayman-Toper draw
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Greetings,
Had a dispute in my first round game. There is a bit of background to this story which I will fill in later. Basically the dispute revolves around me playing a move 63...Qe2 and my opponent then declaring the game a draw and me remaining silent watching him carefully. I had been threatening perpetual check for a few moves, but had not offered a draw. My clock is then taken away by a spectator as Ivanov begins analysing the position. The first move he makes is Qd6 which is an error. I then get the arbiter and all hell breaks loose. The decision goes against me and I send it to appeal which also goes against me. I am 100% certain that my reading of the situation is correct and that my claim is completely legitimate.
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Originally Posted by Fide
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All a bit mysterious fg7.
First, the reference to 'bit of background', could mean anything; so I let that one go through to Rodney (Iron-gloves) Marsh. Second, without having the benefit of seeing all this occur, I can only speculate (from your brief description) that Qd6 was not part of a 'repetition' sequence. I am left thinking what is the obligation on the player to know the process <If I need assistance I should stop the clocks and call an Arbiter>. <<In this case, the assistance being how to make a 'repetition claim'.>> regards MOZ*
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Originally Posted by flavid dude
With due respect, I played the last move, not my opponent. Therefore I do not see how my opponent can claim three fold repetition in the manner described. If we remember that my opponent did not notify the arbiter.
So basically we have a situation where the arbiter has overided the rules of the game. We then have a dispute committee that then upholds the ruling of the arbiter. The dispute committee consists of Malcolm Pyke, David Hacche and James Morris. In my opinion they have made a gross error. I don't think it is wise decision to select James, simply because he is a minor. Furthermore, Is it true that Roger Beattie turned up 45 minutes late for his game against you? cheers,
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Ivanov - Beaumont
In the position after 63...Qe2+, Nikola Ivanov verbally claimed "draw" (not using the correct procedure) and the tournament director Leonid Sandler accepted the draw and then stopped and removed the clocks. At that point Nikola Ivanov and others began some analysis, commenting that White must repeat the position since 64.Kg3 loses. Nikola moved his king to this position to examine the consequences. At this point, David Beaumont explained that the correct draw claim procedures had not been followed, and that the move 64.Kg3?? should stand and the game should continue. I as Chief Arbiter disagreed and declared the game drawn. An appeals committee upheld David Beaumont's appeal, and decided that the game should be continued, from the position where the irregular draw claim occurred, otherwise the draw should stand. The appeals committee agreed that Nikola Ivanov could not be compelled to play a move made during analysis after the clocks had been stopped and removed. The players will be asked to continue play from the position after 63...Qe2+ on Tuesday, or accept the draw result. Chief Arbiter Gary Bekker |
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Thirty minutes after the clocks were started the Arbiter declared me the winner.
Roger arrived after 45 minutes. The arbiter discussed the situation with Roger. I have no idea as to what was said. I deliberately did not involve myself in the discussion. I had taken Adamo home before your dispute occurred so I will make no comments. Best wishes |
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7
If that is the case then you clearly do not understand the laws of chess regarding three fold repetition claims.
In accordance with Article 9.2b since the position has appeared 3 times once you moved Qe2+ on your 63rd move then your opponent on his move is entitled to claim the draw. There is no such requirement under the relevant artcile which is Article 9.2b.
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That does not appear to be the case.
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According to the Gary Bekker they rejected the ruling of the arbiter that the game was drawn.
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His age is unimportant.
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Originally Posted by gbekker
Correct. And this is the key point. My opponent clearly does not understand the rules of chess. If he is offering a draw then that offer has to be accepted by me for the game to end, and I never accepted the draw offer. If he is claiming draw by repetition he has to inform the arbiter that the position is a triple repetition position, which he did not do.
Originally Posted by gbekker
I think this interpretation is false. I most certainly did not know at the time that Leonid had accepted the draw offer. I most certainly never believed that he was the arbiter or that he had any official role at the time since he was playing in the Championship.
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This is news to me. My recollection is as follows. I am watching Ivanov and he starts moving the pieces. The first piece he moves is 64.Kg3, his hand places it on the square and then leaves it. He then begins to move other pieces and starts analyising the position. Nobody else moves a piece, but Dizdaravic, I think, starts talking to him in a foreign language and Ivanov responds (again a clear violation of the rules). I then say to Ivanov "Why are you moving the pieces? I never agreed to a draw in the position? I try to enforce touch move and then notice that I don't have a clock anymore!!
I then get Gary too adjudicate.
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True. And a heated conversation occurs between Ivanov and myself that disturbs everybody and brings the game into disrepute.
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I believe their decision is wrong.
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It is quite clear that the clock should have nothing to do with the decision. Touch move should stand and furthermore, analysing the game is totally illegal when the game is in progress.
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This decision is weak. furthermore it negates the responsibility of the players to play the game in accordance to the rules. I agree that there is such a thing as arbiters discretion and that Gary may be correct here if he so wishes to use that rule. But as point of order on the rules this decision must be just wrong.
I would like to make a point here. Imagine if this same scenario occurred in the Championship with both players short of time. Imagine if the person in Ivanovs position did exactly the same thing and let their time run out. I reckon that he would lose on time and the arbiter would then argue that this is CORRECT because his draw offer was invalid. You know it makes sense. As a side note, some will say that my actions are not in the spirit of the game because this is a Mickey mouse tournament and you can't expect a player of Nicks experience (over 15+ years) to understand the rules. That is fine, but remember Beattie was forfeited for turning up late. Either this tournament is a Fide rated event or its a Mickey mouse tourney. cheers,
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