2009 Victorian Championships - Page 4 - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 10-06-2009, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Ok Eddie, lock in A) The goat is in the house.

No need to phone a friend, sure I am pretty much guaranteed to lose some rating points, but my chucky thread should get them back .
Just pm me the details on where I play and pay and make sure you tick MCC on all the little boxes!

cheers,
Fg7

I think the goat will do much better than expected! Remember, the goat can be a ferocious player at 3 0 on ICC!

**gbekker** · 10-06-2009, 12:50 PM

Please note that in the Championship event, V.Kildisas will replace Omar Khaled Bashar who had to withdraw due to illness.

Warm regards,

IA Gary Bekker
Chief Arbiter
2009 Vic Championships

**mowcop** · 10-06-2009, 04:49 PM

Rujevic-Johansen is a whopper of a first round draw.

Best wishes to Bashar.

**MOZ** · 10-07-2009, 08:41 PM

Subject: Victorian Championship Reserves 2009

Please find the final list for the Reserves tournament

The draw of the lots had been done.

1.Joshua Ng(ACF 1268)
2.Tumula Gamage(unr)
3.N.Ivanov(1428)
4.Issac Ng (1659)
5.J.WAllmuller(1702)
6.Wijesuriya Vineetha(FIDE 1897)
7.D.Toper(1225)
8.D.Beaumont(1828)
9.M.Dizdarevic(1898)
10.R.Beattie(1696)

Below the first round pairings
J.Ng-R.Beattie
Tumula Gamage-M.Dizdarevic
N.Ivanov-D.Beaumont
I.Ng-D.Toper
J.Wallmuller-Wijesuriya Vineetha

First round will be played Saturday October 10th at Elwood Chess Club (87 Tennyson Street,Elwood)
Starting time 1-15 pm

Best regards,
Leonid Sandler

justaknight · 10-08-2009, 11:20 AM

I see this

Originally Posted by MOZ

A Championship is a Championship. Not an Open.

There are limits on the hoi polloi and any greeks bearing gifts.

and then this

Originally Posted by MOZ by Sandman proxy

1.Joshua Ng(ACF 1268)
2.Tumula Gamage(unr)
3.N.Ivanov(1428)
4.Issac Ng (1659)
5.J.WAllmuller(1702)
6.Wijesuriya Vineetha(FIDE 1897)
7.D.Toper(1225)
8.D.Beaumont(1828)
9.M.Dizdarevic(1898)
10.R.Beattie(1696)

Below the first round pairings
J.Ng-R.Beattie
Tumula Gamage-M.Dizdarevic
N.Ivanov-D.Beaumont
I.Ng-D.Toper
J.Wallmuller-Wijesuriya Vineetha

First round will be played Saturday October 10th at Elwood Chess Club (87 Tennyson Street,Elwood)
Starting time 1-15 pm

and I am fuming!
I really AM!

**Firegoat7** · 10-08-2009, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I think the goat will do much better than expected! Remember, the goat can be a ferocious player at 3 0 on ICC!

Haha, it appears you are wrong AO from a rating perspective. I seem to have lost 30 ACF points for entering the tournament and I have not even played a game yet.

cheers,
Fg7

**Firegoat7** · 10-08-2009, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by justaknight

I am fuming!
I really AM!

Why?

justaknight · 10-08-2009, 02:02 PM

because read the bloody thread!
Since the beginning of it, everytime I hinted of entering or not entering all I was getting was cryptics and deeply involved remarks by Trevor!
There was never a clear reference of how to go about entering, the criteria of inclusion, how many places were available etc. Since the bloody CV website wasn't clear either, then one had to keep on guessing.
Then I look at the final line up and I see at least two players having lower rating than mine, and they are IN and I am OUT!
That's why I am fuming!

justaknight · 10-08-2009, 03:32 PM

ok everything is fixed!
As soon as I stopped crying, sulking, spitting dummies etc etc, the VP of CV Mr Leonid Sandler called me to inform me that there is a place for me!

Thanks, I am happy now! I will see you all on Sat at Elwood Chess Club!
I leave the above protesting threads
a) for posterity
b) for owning up
c) for Trevor to get me back!
Fg7 you be quiet and play!

**MOZ** · 10-08-2009, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by justaknight

because read the bloody thread!
Since the beginning of it, everytime I hinted of entering or not entering all I was getting was cryptics and deeply involved remarks by Trevor!
There was never a clear reference of how to go about entering, the criteria of inclusion, how many places were available etc. Since the bloody CV website wasn't clear either, then one had to keep on guessing.
Then I look at the final line up and I see at least two players having lower rating than mine, and they are IN and I am OUT!
That's why I am fuming!

First I read of your passing interest when you said

Originally Posted by justaknight

why not all in one?
BTW The Sandman proves to be GM strength in terms of negotiating deals and obtaining sponshorships! clap x 3

And then when there were others showing more interest in the RESERVES I said

Originally Posted by MOZ

Eligibility
Players will be allocated to the tournaments on the basis of rankings as published by the ACF on September 2009 to complete the total number
in each tournament to 12

I suggest
crank your ACF rating up as much as possible in the next rating release,

examine the threshold that allowed entry into the RESERVES in 2008.

regards, and good luck
MOZ*

Then you shrunk into the wall-paper background when you posted.

Originally Posted by justaknight

May I suggest you hold your horses (let alone your eeks) for a sec? Where did I suggest that I was interested in entering?

Does that exclude the "hoi polloi" of even looking at the entry details? Oh mon dieu! Using Greek terms to exclude gift bearing (or non bearing) Greeks?

hm gone are the days where the gifts of gift bearing Greeks were publicly acknowledged?

But now that you have expressed your druthers I will post the pairings for the week-end.
And, I will pass on your enduring thanks to the Sandman. And good luck in the tourney.
May a/c have mercy on your soles.

**MOZ** · 10-08-2009, 04:03 PM

Subject: Victorian Championship Reserves 2009

Please find the final list for the Reserves tournament

The draw of the lots had been done.

1.Joshua Ng(ACF 1268)
2.Tumula Gamage(unr)
3.N.Ivanov(1428)
4.Issac Ng (1659)
5.J.WAllmuller(1702)
6.Wijesuriya Vineetha(FIDE 1897)
7.D.Toper(1225)
8.D.Beaumont(1828)
9.M.Dizdarevic(1898)
10.R.Beattie(1696)

Below the first round pairings
J.Ng-R.Beattie
Tumula Gamage-M.Dizdarevic
N.Ivanov-D.Beaumont
I.Ng-D.Toper
E.Renzies-Wijesuriya Vineetha

First round will be played Saturday October 10th at Elwood Chess Club (87 Tennyson Street,Elwood)
Starting time 1-15 pm

Best regards,
Leonid Sandler

justaknight · 10-08-2009, 04:34 PM

Trevor, let's face it, some threads, such as this one, require plain facts. Such as time, venue, entry fees etc. Witticisms no matter how sharp and/or funny just tend to complicate things!

Originally Posted by MOZ

And, I will pass on your enduring thanks to the Sandman. And good luck in the tourney.

I 've done that already, we had a very nice conversation thanks!

May a/c have mercy on your soles

He can't they are deeply imprinted on his backside!

See you at the Club tomorrow night!

**The Analyst** · 10-08-2009, 08:53 PM

Some opinions on the matter of the tournaments and their organisation:

- the Vic Championships is relatively strong and it is good to see GM Johansen playing.

- the Vic Reserves seems quite uneven in terms of the quality of the field. I note that the organisers have not achieved the desire expressed on the CV website of having 12 players for both tournament - that indicates to me that they did not receive enough applications to reach this goal.

- It is good to see Singaporean player Wang Shee Lee playing - a quick web search indicates that Dr Lee is a research fellow at Melbourne Uni. It is good to see a new strong player join the pool of Victorian players.

- It is a great result to secure naming rights sponsorship from Lexus of Blackburn. Hopefully they will get value for money for their efforts and decide to renew their sponsorship for the foreseeable future.

- I am surprised that neither 2008 Champion Igor Goldenberg nor 2008 Reserves winner Pano Skiotis is playing. Both are listed as eligibile, yet seem to have decided to not exercise their right to participate.

- I am surprised and disappointed that none of the various strong and young players (early twenties and younger) who have been active in playing recently are participating in the Championships. Looking at the last ratings list, I note that 7 of 13 Australia’s top 18 years or younger players come from Victoria - these include the likes of Morris, Schon, Cheng, Matheson, etc. Let’s not also forget the Stojic brothers or Sam Chow either. Of course, I understand that there may be overlap with end of semester exams, etc, but it is still very surprising that not one of these young players is participating. Of the Championship field, only Domagoj Dragicevic and Doug Lindberg are younger than 30 years, and I would think that Doug will be quite rusty.

- I cannot understand why 5 of the 10 rounds (prior to the final round fixed at the National Gallery of Victoria) are allocated at Elwood, while only 3 and 2 rounds have been allocated to Box Hill/Canterbury CC and MCC respectively. With all respect, Elwood would not be my first choice for being given the greatest number of rounds (given the generally superior infrastructure at both Box Hill/Canterbury CC and MCC) or even why it would be preferred as the Saturday play venue - would not Noble Park CC be a better choice, given their strong level of participation over the past few years?

- I think the inflexible allocation of rounds to a fixed total 10 days, compared to previous years where rounds could be played over about 15 days with the players having a choice of when they prefer to play, is on the whole a negative move and a disincentive that dissuades players, who may lead busy lives, from playing.

- The current website is wholly inadequate for several reasons. First, there is a paucity of information relating to the Reserves - e.g. what are the prizes for the winners of the Reserves; will the winner qualify for next year’s Championships? Where is the list of Reserve participants? In fact, it is not clear that the eligibility conditions apply to both tournaments as that is not explicitly stated. Second, what are the tournament conditions - I note that the time control is noted, but what about the possibility of defaults in the event that a person cannot either attend a particular round due to illness or because they fall foul of the (ridiculous) “zero-tolerance” rule for late arrivals at the chessboard? In fact, will the tournament apply that rule or have they exercised their discretion (allowed under FIDE rules) to allow some period of grace before a default is imposed - if it is the latter, why is that not publicised?

**MOZ** · 10-08-2009, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by The Analyst

Some opinions on the matter of the tournaments and their organisation:

- the Vic Championships is relatively strong and it is good to see GM Johansen playing.

Agreed.
It is a few years since the various structures of the tournament have meshed with the availability of the GM.

- the Vic Reserves seems quite uneven in terms of the quality of the field. I note that the organisers have not achieved the desire expressed on the CV website of having 12 players for both tournament - that indicates to me that they did not receive enough applications to reach this goal.

I understand this to be true.

- It is good to see Singaporean player Wang Shee Lee playing - a quick web search indicates that Dr Lee is a research fellow at Melbourne Uni. It is good to see a new strong player join the pool of Victorian players.

Agreed.

- It is a great result to secure naming rights sponsorship from Lexus of Blackburn. Hopefully they will get value for money for their efforts and decide to renew their sponsorship for the foreseeable future.

Yes, this event has always been a cost to the chess community, which is not complementary for a prestige event. The CV President has been personally responsible for the 2009 sponsorship.

- I am surprised that neither 2008 Champion Igor Goldenberg nor 2008 Reserves winner Pano Skiotis is playing. Both are listed as eligibile, yet seem to have decided to not exercise their right to participate.

Igor asked for 4 postponements.
The event has had many structures.
Under GW there was maximized flexibility over many venues, but a consequently long time frame made it difficult to attract the very best in the State.
In 2007, an attempt was made to shorten the timescale, and to choose a format that gave opportunity to high level Country players. The changes were not well received.
In 2008, the tournament reverted to the GW model (modified), and still suffered a lot of criticism on the time-committment angle.
The 2009 event is a further attempt to find a balance between flexibility and certainty.
I only have it second hand that the venue options did not suit Pano.

- I am surprised and disappointed that none of the various strong and young players (early twenties and younger) who have been active in playing recently are participating in the Championships. Looking at the last ratings list, I note that 7 of 13 Australia’s top 18 years or younger players come from Victoria - these include the likes of Morris, Schon, Cheng, Matheson, etc. Let’s not also forget the Stojic brothers or Sam Chow either. Of course, I understand that there may be overlap with end of semester exams, etc, but it is still very surprising that not one of these young players is participating. Of the Championship field, only Domagoj Dragicevic and Doug Lindberg are younger than 30 years, and I would think that Doug will be quite rusty.

A valid observation. It should be on the Executive's agenda next year to look at a different month for the tournament.

- I cannot understand why 5 of the 10 rounds (prior to the final round fixed at the National Gallery of Victoria) are allocated at Elwood, while only 3 and 2 rounds have been allocated to Box Hill/Canterbury CC and MCC respectively. With all respect, Elwood would not be my first choice for being given the greatest number of rounds (given the generally superior infrastructure at both Box Hill/Canterbury CC and MCC) or even why it would be preferred as the Saturday play venue - would not Noble Park CC be a better choice, given their strong level of participation over the past few years?

And yet we read elsewhere that too much activity occurs at Box Hill. Hard to find the middle ground it seems.

- I think the inflexible allocation of rounds to a fixed total 10 days, compared to previous years where rounds could be played over about 15 days with the players having a choice of when they prefer to play, is on the whole a negative move and a disincentive that dissuades players, who may lead busy lives, from playing.

See comments above on the GW model.

- The current website is wholly inadequate for several reasons. First, there is a paucity of information relating to the Reserves - e.g. what are the prizes for the winners of the Reserves; will the winner qualify for next year’s Championships? Where is the list of Reserve participants? In fact, it is not clear that the eligibility conditions apply to both tournaments as that is not explicitly stated. Second, what are the tournament conditions - I note that the time control is noted, but what about the possibility of defaults in the event that a person cannot either attend a particular round due to illness or because they fall foul of the (ridiculous) “zero-tolerance” rule for late arrivals at the chessboard? In fact, will the tournament apply that rule or have they exercised their discretion (allowed under FIDE rules) to allow some period of grace before a default is imposed - if it is the latter, why is that not publicised?

The web-site data on T&C's will be the province of the appointed Arbiter, Gary Bekker.
While some detail needs to be documented before the start of play, it is probably safe to say that the issues you raise in the final quote would not have influenced entries.

regards
MOZ*

**mowcop** · 10-08-2009, 11:36 PM

Let me try to understand things right here.

Elliott Renzies has been allowed into the Reserves tournament after the entry deadline. I am assuming Wallmuller pulled out so Elliott has evened the numbers up, so fair enough, and good luck in the tournament, Elliott.

Last night a similar phone call was made by a young IM asking to play in the Championship. I know for a fact that a player in the Championship was willing to give up his place to let the young IM into the tournament, but this offer was refused.

Where is the consistency in these 2 actions?

10-06-2009, 12:56 AM	#46 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Ok Eddie, lock in A) The goat is in the house. No need to phone a friend, sure I am pretty much guaranteed to lose some rating points, but my chucky thread should get them back . Just pm me the details on where I play and pay and make sure you tick MCC on all the little boxes! cheers, Fg7 I think the goat will do much better than expected! Remember, the goat can be a ferocious player at 3 0 on ICC! __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

10-06-2009, 12:50 PM	#47 (permalink)
gbekker Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 77	Round 1 Vic Championship Please note that in the Championship event, V.Kildisas will replace Omar Khaled Bashar who had to withdraw due to illness. Warm regards, IA Gary Bekker Chief Arbiter 2009 Vic Championships

10-06-2009, 04:49 PM	#48 (permalink)
mowcop fireeater Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 805	Rujevic-Johansen is a whopper of a first round draw. Best wishes to Bashar. __________________ Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand I'm trying out a new blog site..... http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/

10-07-2009, 08:41 PM	#49 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Subject: Victorian Championship Reserves 2009 Please find the final list for the Reserves tournament The draw of the lots had been done. 1.Joshua Ng(ACF 1268) 2.Tumula Gamage(unr) 3.N.Ivanov(1428) 4.Issac Ng (1659) 5.J.WAllmuller(1702) 6.Wijesuriya Vineetha(FIDE 1897) 7.D.Toper(1225) 8.D.Beaumont(1828) 9.M.Dizdarevic(1898) 10.R.Beattie(1696) Below the first round pairings J.Ng-R.Beattie Tumula Gamage-M.Dizdarevic N.Ivanov-D.Beaumont I.Ng-D.Toper J.Wallmuller-Wijesuriya Vineetha First round will be played Saturday October 10th at Elwood Chess Club (87 Tennyson Street,Elwood) Starting time 1-15 pm Best regards, Leonid Sandler __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

10-08-2009, 11:20 AM	#50 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	I see this Originally Posted by MOZ A Championship is a Championship. Not an Open. There are limits on the hoi polloi and any greeks bearing gifts. and then this Originally Posted by MOZ by Sandman proxy 1.Joshua Ng(ACF 1268) 2.Tumula Gamage(unr) 3.N.Ivanov(1428) 4.Issac Ng (1659) 5.J.WAllmuller(1702) 6.Wijesuriya Vineetha(FIDE 1897) 7.D.Toper(1225) 8.D.Beaumont(1828) 9.M.Dizdarevic(1898) 10.R.Beattie(1696) Below the first round pairings J.Ng-R.Beattie Tumula Gamage-M.Dizdarevic N.Ivanov-D.Beaumont I.Ng-D.Toper J.Wallmuller-Wijesuriya Vineetha First round will be played Saturday October 10th at Elwood Chess Club (87 Tennyson Street,Elwood) Starting time 1-15 pm and I am fuming! I really AM!

10-08-2009, 12:04 PM	#51 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I think the goat will do much better than expected! Remember, the goat can be a ferocious player at 3 0 on ICC! Haha, it appears you are wrong AO from a rating perspective. I seem to have lost 30 ACF points for entering the tournament and I have not even played a game yet. cheers, Fg7 __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

10-08-2009, 12:05 PM	#52 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by justaknight I am fuming! I really AM! Why? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

10-08-2009, 02:02 PM	#53 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	because read the bloody thread! Since the beginning of it, everytime I hinted of entering or not entering all I was getting was cryptics and deeply involved remarks by Trevor! There was never a clear reference of how to go about entering, the criteria of inclusion, how many places were available etc. Since the bloody CV website wasn't clear either, then one had to keep on guessing. Then I look at the final line up and I see at least two players having lower rating than mine, and they are IN and I am OUT! That's why I am fuming! Last edited by justaknight : 10-08-2009 at 02:19 PM

10-08-2009, 03:32 PM	#54 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	ok everything is fixed! As soon as I stopped crying, sulking, spitting dummies etc etc, the VP of CV Mr Leonid Sandler called me to inform me that there is a place for me! Thanks, I am happy now! I will see you all on Sat at Elwood Chess Club! I leave the above protesting threads a) for posterity b) for owning up c) for Trevor to get me back! Fg7 you be quiet and play!

10-08-2009, 03:58 PM	#55 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	The hoi polloi in a hissy fit? Originally Posted by justaknight because read the bloody thread! Since the beginning of it, everytime I hinted of entering or not entering all I was getting was cryptics and deeply involved remarks by Trevor! There was never a clear reference of how to go about entering, the criteria of inclusion, how many places were available etc. Since the bloody CV website wasn't clear either, then one had to keep on guessing. Then I look at the final line up and I see at least two players having lower rating than mine, and they are IN and I am OUT! That's why I am fuming! First I read of your passing interest when you said Originally Posted by justaknight why not all in one? BTW The Sandman proves to be GM strength in terms of negotiating deals and obtaining sponshorships! clap x 3 And then when there were others showing more interest in the RESERVES I said Originally Posted by MOZ Eligibility Players will be allocated to the tournaments on the basis of rankings as published by the ACF on September 2009 to complete the total number in each tournament to 12 I suggest crank your ACF rating up as much as possible in the next rating release, examine the threshold that allowed entry into the RESERVES in 2008. regards, and good luck MOZ* Then you shrunk into the wall-paper background when you posted. Originally Posted by justaknight May I suggest you hold your horses (let alone your eeks) for a sec? Where did I suggest that I was interested in entering? Does that exclude the "hoi polloi" of even looking at the entry details? Oh mon dieu! Using Greek terms to exclude gift bearing (or non bearing) Greeks? hm gone are the days where the gifts of gift bearing Greeks were publicly acknowledged? But now that you have expressed your druthers I will post the pairings for the week-end. And, I will pass on your enduring thanks to the Sandman. And good luck in the tourney. May a/c have mercy on your soles. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

10-08-2009, 04:03 PM	#56 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Out JW. In ER. Subject: Victorian Championship Reserves 2009 Please find the final list for the Reserves tournament The draw of the lots had been done. 1.Joshua Ng(ACF 1268) 2.Tumula Gamage(unr) 3.N.Ivanov(1428) 4.Issac Ng (1659) 5.J.WAllmuller(1702) 6.Wijesuriya Vineetha(FIDE 1897) 7.D.Toper(1225) 8.D.Beaumont(1828) 9.M.Dizdarevic(1898) 10.R.Beattie(1696) Below the first round pairings J.Ng-R.Beattie Tumula Gamage-M.Dizdarevic N.Ivanov-D.Beaumont I.Ng-D.Toper E.Renzies-Wijesuriya Vineetha First round will be played Saturday October 10th at Elwood Chess Club (87 Tennyson Street,Elwood) Starting time 1-15 pm Best regards, Leonid Sandler __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

10-08-2009, 04:34 PM	#57 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	Trevor, let's face it, some threads, such as this one, require plain facts. Such as time, venue, entry fees etc. Witticisms no matter how sharp and/or funny just tend to complicate things! Originally Posted by MOZ And, I will pass on your enduring thanks to the Sandman. And good luck in the tourney. I 've done that already, we had a very nice conversation thanks! May a/c have mercy on your soles He can't they are deeply imprinted on his backside! See you at the Club tomorrow night! Last edited by justaknight : 10-08-2009 at 09:57 PM

10-08-2009, 08:53 PM	#58 (permalink)
The Analyst Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 38	Some opinions on the matter of the tournaments and their organisation: - the Vic Championships is relatively strong and it is good to see GM Johansen playing. - the Vic Reserves seems quite uneven in terms of the quality of the field. I note that the organisers have not achieved the desire expressed on the CV website of having 12 players for both tournament - that indicates to me that they did not receive enough applications to reach this goal. - It is good to see Singaporean player Wang Shee Lee playing - a quick web search indicates that Dr Lee is a research fellow at Melbourne Uni. It is good to see a new strong player join the pool of Victorian players. - It is a great result to secure naming rights sponsorship from Lexus of Blackburn. Hopefully they will get value for money for their efforts and decide to renew their sponsorship for the foreseeable future. - I am surprised that neither 2008 Champion Igor Goldenberg nor 2008 Reserves winner Pano Skiotis is playing. Both are listed as eligibile, yet seem to have decided to not exercise their right to participate. - I am surprised and disappointed that none of the various strong and young players (early twenties and younger) who have been active in playing recently are participating in the Championships. Looking at the last ratings list, I note that 7 of 13 Australia’s top 18 years or younger players come from Victoria - these include the likes of Morris, Schon, Cheng, Matheson, etc. Let’s not also forget the Stojic brothers or Sam Chow either. Of course, I understand that there may be overlap with end of semester exams, etc, but it is still very surprising that not one of these young players is participating. Of the Championship field, only Domagoj Dragicevic and Doug Lindberg are younger than 30 years, and I would think that Doug will be quite rusty. - I cannot understand why 5 of the 10 rounds (prior to the final round fixed at the National Gallery of Victoria) are allocated at Elwood, while only 3 and 2 rounds have been allocated to Box Hill/Canterbury CC and MCC respectively. With all respect, Elwood would not be my first choice for being given the greatest number of rounds (given the generally superior infrastructure at both Box Hill/Canterbury CC and MCC) or even why it would be preferred as the Saturday play venue - would not Noble Park CC be a better choice, given their strong level of participation over the past few years? - I think the inflexible allocation of rounds to a fixed total 10 days, compared to previous years where rounds could be played over about 15 days with the players having a choice of when they prefer to play, is on the whole a negative move and a disincentive that dissuades players, who may lead busy lives, from playing. - The current website is wholly inadequate for several reasons. First, there is a paucity of information relating to the Reserves - e.g. what are the prizes for the winners of the Reserves; will the winner qualify for next year’s Championships? Where is the list of Reserve participants? In fact, it is not clear that the eligibility conditions apply to both tournaments as that is not explicitly stated. Second, what are the tournament conditions - I note that the time control is noted, but what about the possibility of defaults in the event that a person cannot either attend a particular round due to illness or because they fall foul of the (ridiculous) “zero-tolerance” rule for late arrivals at the chessboard? In fact, will the tournament apply that rule or have they exercised their discretion (allowed under FIDE rules) to allow some period of grace before a default is imposed - if it is the latter, why is that not publicised?

10-08-2009, 10:12 PM	#59 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by The Analyst Some opinions on the matter of the tournaments and their organisation: - the Vic Championships is relatively strong and it is good to see GM Johansen playing. Agreed. It is a few years since the various structures of the tournament have meshed with the availability of the GM. - the Vic Reserves seems quite uneven in terms of the quality of the field. I note that the organisers have not achieved the desire expressed on the CV website of having 12 players for both tournament - that indicates to me that they did not receive enough applications to reach this goal. I understand this to be true. - It is good to see Singaporean player Wang Shee Lee playing - a quick web search indicates that Dr Lee is a research fellow at Melbourne Uni. It is good to see a new strong player join the pool of Victorian players. Agreed. - It is a great result to secure naming rights sponsorship from Lexus of Blackburn. Hopefully they will get value for money for their efforts and decide to renew their sponsorship for the foreseeable future. Yes, this event has always been a cost to the chess community, which is not complementary for a prestige event. The CV President has been personally responsible for the 2009 sponsorship. - I am surprised that neither 2008 Champion Igor Goldenberg nor 2008 Reserves winner Pano Skiotis is playing. Both are listed as eligibile, yet seem to have decided to not exercise their right to participate. Igor asked for 4 postponements. The event has had many structures. Under GW there was maximized flexibility over many venues, but a consequently long time frame made it difficult to attract the very best in the State. In 2007, an attempt was made to shorten the timescale, and to choose a format that gave opportunity to high level Country players. The changes were not well received. In 2008, the tournament reverted to the GW model (modified), and still suffered a lot of criticism on the time-committment angle. The 2009 event is a further attempt to find a balance between flexibility and certainty. I only have it second hand that the venue options did not suit Pano. - I am surprised and disappointed that none of the various strong and young players (early twenties and younger) who have been active in playing recently are participating in the Championships. Looking at the last ratings list, I note that 7 of 13 Australia’s top 18 years or younger players come from Victoria - these include the likes of Morris, Schon, Cheng, Matheson, etc. Let’s not also forget the Stojic brothers or Sam Chow either. Of course, I understand that there may be overlap with end of semester exams, etc, but it is still very surprising that not one of these young players is participating. Of the Championship field, only Domagoj Dragicevic and Doug Lindberg are younger than 30 years, and I would think that Doug will be quite rusty. A valid observation. It should be on the Executive's agenda next year to look at a different month for the tournament. - I cannot understand why 5 of the 10 rounds (prior to the final round fixed at the National Gallery of Victoria) are allocated at Elwood, while only 3 and 2 rounds have been allocated to Box Hill/Canterbury CC and MCC respectively. With all respect, Elwood would not be my first choice for being given the greatest number of rounds (given the generally superior infrastructure at both Box Hill/Canterbury CC and MCC) or even why it would be preferred as the Saturday play venue - would not Noble Park CC be a better choice, given their strong level of participation over the past few years? And yet we read elsewhere that too much activity occurs at Box Hill. Hard to find the middle ground it seems. - I think the inflexible allocation of rounds to a fixed total 10 days, compared to previous years where rounds could be played over about 15 days with the players having a choice of when they prefer to play, is on the whole a negative move and a disincentive that dissuades players, who may lead busy lives, from playing. See comments above on the GW model. - The current website is wholly inadequate for several reasons. First, there is a paucity of information relating to the Reserves - e.g. what are the prizes for the winners of the Reserves; will the winner qualify for next year’s Championships? Where is the list of Reserve participants? In fact, it is not clear that the eligibility conditions apply to both tournaments as that is not explicitly stated. Second, what are the tournament conditions - I note that the time control is noted, but what about the possibility of defaults in the event that a person cannot either attend a particular round due to illness or because they fall foul of the (ridiculous) “zero-tolerance” rule for late arrivals at the chessboard? In fact, will the tournament apply that rule or have they exercised their discretion (allowed under FIDE rules) to allow some period of grace before a default is imposed - if it is the latter, why is that not publicised? The web-site data on T&C's will be the province of the appointed Arbiter, Gary Bekker. While some detail needs to be documented before the start of play, it is probably safe to say that the issues you raise in the final quote would not have influenced entries. regards MOZ* __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

10-08-2009, 11:36 PM	#60 (permalink)
mowcop fireeater Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 805	Let me try to understand things right here. Elliott Renzies has been allowed into the Reserves tournament after the entry deadline. I am assuming Wallmuller pulled out so Elliott has evened the numbers up, so fair enough, and good luck in the tournament, Elliott. Last night a similar phone call was made by a young IM asking to play in the Championship. I know for a fact that a player in the Championship was willing to give up his place to let the young IM into the tournament, but this offer was refused. Where is the consistency in these 2 actions? __________________ Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand I'm trying out a new blog site..... http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/

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