2009 Victorian Championships - Page 10 - OzChess

**macavity** · 10-21-2009, 05:34 AM

Hello everyone,

Here are the round 4 results from the championships

Code:

 1 James Morris   2194 2160 [2.5]   .5:.5   Darryl K Johansen  2477 2440 [3]  
 2 Malcolm L Pyke 2140 2065 [1.5]    1:0    Victor E Kildisas  2019 1904 [0]  
 3 David J Hacche 2164 2061 [1]      0:1    Domagoj Dragicevic 2215 2118 [1.5]
 4 Eddy L Levi    2242 2205 [2.5]    1:0    Mirko Rujevic      2300 2245 [1]  
 5 Leonid Sandler 2332 2240 [1]      1:0    Douglas G Hamilton 2196 2065 [1.5]
 6 Wang-Sheng Lee 2254 2245 [1.5]    1:0    Douglas Lindberg   2039 1956 [1]

Take care and God Bless, Macavity

**Il cavaliere inesistente** · 10-21-2009, 09:25 AM

Round 4 results and the crosstyable are now available on the CV web site. Follow this link: 09 Results

**Excalibur_Sapiens** · 10-21-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Il cavaliere inesistente

Round 4 results and the crosstyable are now available on the CV web site. Follow this link: 09 Results

Aren't James Morris's ratings a bit low for an IM?? (quoted as 2194 & 2160)

**Just2Good** · 10-21-2009, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Excalibur_Sapiens

Aren't James Morris's ratings a bit low for an IM?? (quoted as 2194 & 2160)

Yes it is quite low for an International Master.

James didn't really earn his IM title the way most IM's do. Most IM's need to have 3 IM norms and a rating above 2400 to be awarded the title. James simply did well in one tournament on the Gold Coast, and on the basis of that result was awarded an IM title.

That's not to take away from his achievement, however, and hopefully once he amasses a few IM scalps on his belt, the IM fraternity will truly view him as one of their own.

**flavid dude** · 10-21-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Yes it is quite low for an International Master.

James didn't really earn his IM title the way most IM's do. Most IM's need to have 3 IM norms and a rating above 2400 to be awarded the title. James simply did well in one tournament on the Gold Coast, and on the basis of that result was awarded an IM title.

That's not to take away from his achievement, however, and hopefully once he amasses a few IM scalps on his belt, the IM fraternity will truly view him as one of their own.

Excuse me but James did well in the zonal. To say that James did not earn his title the way most IM's do belittles his achievement. Furthermore to say that it was a result in one tournament without stating that it was a zonal in my opinion gives a dubious impression.

At the previous zonal James earned an FM title and some drongos whinged that it was undeserved. I can remember when Murray Chandle gained his IM title by winning a zonal. A few years later he was a Grandmaster.

**Firegoat7** · 10-21-2009, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by flavid dude

To say that James did not earn his title the way most IM's do belittles his achievement.

I don't believe it belittles his title. I think what AO said was fine because he was being honest. It is true James did not earn his title the way most IM's earn their titles. It doesn't mean that James doesn't deserve the IM title. Nor does it mean that James is not of IM strength. I think you are are simply mistaken to be inferring such a negative implication to AO's comments.

cheers,

**Lakshman** · 10-22-2009, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

I don't believe it belittles his title. I think what AO said was fine because he was being honest. It is true James did not earn his title the way most IM's earn their titles. It doesn't mean that James doesn't deserve the IM title. Nor does it mean that James is not of IM strength

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

. I think you are are simply mistaken to be inferring such a negative implication to AO's comments.

cheers,

Absolutely agree with FG7 interpretation.

**Just2Good** · 10-22-2009, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by flavid dude

To say that James did not earn his title the way most IM's do belittles his achievement.

That wasn't my intent, so I apologize if I did somehow belittle James achievement.

There are two ways to an IM title. One is more rigourous and demanding than the other.

As a consequence, IM's who earn the title through the more common and difficult method are often regarded in higher esteem by some people, at least initially, than the IM's who earn their title from doing well at a single inter-zonal tournament.

However, as you correctly pointed out with the GM Chandler example, sometimes IM's who have earned their title at an inter-zonal go on to become strong grandmasters.

**antichrist** · 10-22-2009, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

That wasn't my intent, so I apologize if I did somehow belittle James achievement.

There are two ways to an IM title. One is more rigourous and demanding than the other.

As a consequence, IM's who earn the title through the more common and difficult method are often regarded in higher esteem by some people, at least initially, than the IM's who earn their title from doing well at a single inter-zonal tournament.

However, as you correctly pointed out with the GM Chandler example, sometimes IM's who have earned their title at an inter-zonal go on to become strong grandmasters.

Is there any similiarity here to how Mike Baron also judges Brian Jones' family titles -that they are soft. He even challenged the whole family to a simul grudge match to prove his point. You Victorians have spunk!

**antichrist** · 10-22-2009, 10:31 AM

In my game against young Morris at Chesschat Kaitlin's Chess Ladder I never felt challenged and was surprised by such. I was expecting tsumamis, earthquakes, cyclones, floods, volcanoes, bushfires and loqust plagues. You could have blown me over by telling me I was playing an IM.

justaknight · 10-22-2009, 10:32 AM

is spu.k instead of spunk a good enough reason to post the same crap twice?

**antichrist** · 10-22-2009, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by justaknight

is spu.k instead of spunk a good enough reason to post the same crap twice?

there are internet problems in cafe I am using. slow as hell as well and I cant use latest excel so I am going home to use my own dunny as bursting. Forget the spu.k for now, tomorrow maybe

**Just2Good** · 10-22-2009, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

there are internet problems in cafe I am using.

Maybe the cafe owners are targetting you for your unwavering support of Isreal's sovereignty.

**Il cavaliere inesistente** · 10-22-2009, 06:10 PM

Round 3 results and cross table are now available on CV web site.Follow this link: 09 Results

**Il cavaliere inesistente** · 10-23-2009, 07:47 AM

Round 5 championship results and cross table are now available on CV web site. Follow the link

10-21-2009, 09:25 AM	#137 (permalink)
Il cavaliere inesistente Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 196	Round 4 and crosstable Round 4 results and the crosstyable are now available on the CV web site. Follow this link: 09 Results

10-21-2009, 03:30 PM	#138 (permalink)
Excalibur_Sapiens Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 53	Originally Posted by Il cavaliere inesistente Round 4 results and the crosstyable are now available on the CV web site. Follow this link: 09 Results Aren't James Morris's ratings a bit low for an IM?? (quoted as 2194 & 2160) __________________ Waving, not drowning. (I could use a second opinion though...)

10-21-2009, 04:27 PM	#139 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	IM = 3 Norms + a 2400 FIDE Rating Originally Posted by Excalibur_Sapiens Aren't James Morris's ratings a bit low for an IM?? (quoted as 2194 & 2160) Yes it is quite low for an International Master. James didn't really earn his IM title the way most IM's do. Most IM's need to have 3 IM norms and a rating above 2400 to be awarded the title. James simply did well in one tournament on the Gold Coast, and on the basis of that result was awarded an IM title. That's not to take away from his achievement, however, and hopefully once he amasses a few IM scalps on his belt, the IM fraternity will truly view him as one of their own. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

10-21-2009, 06:38 PM	#140 (permalink)
flavid dude Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 329	now now now Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Yes it is quite low for an International Master. James didn't really earn his IM title the way most IM's do. Most IM's need to have 3 IM norms and a rating above 2400 to be awarded the title. James simply did well in one tournament on the Gold Coast, and on the basis of that result was awarded an IM title. That's not to take away from his achievement, however, and hopefully once he amasses a few IM scalps on his belt, the IM fraternity will truly view him as one of their own. Excuse me but James did well in the zonal. To say that James did not earn his title the way most IM's do belittles his achievement. Furthermore to say that it was a result in one tournament without stating that it was a zonal in my opinion gives a dubious impression. At the previous zonal James earned an FM title and some drongos whinged that it was undeserved. I can remember when Murray Chandle gained his IM title by winning a zonal. A few years later he was a Grandmaster.

10-21-2009, 10:11 PM	#141 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by flavid dude To say that James did not earn his title the way most IM's do belittles his achievement. I don't believe it belittles his title. I think what AO said was fine because he was being honest. It is true James did not earn his title the way most IM's earn their titles. It doesn't mean that James doesn't deserve the IM title. Nor does it mean that James is not of IM strength. I think you are are simply mistaken to be inferring such a negative implication to AO's comments. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

10-22-2009, 05:32 AM	#142 (permalink)
Lakshman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 329	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 I don't believe it belittles his title. I think what AO said was fine because he was being honest. It is true James did not earn his title the way most IM's earn their titles. It doesn't mean that James doesn't deserve the IM title. Nor does it mean that James is not of IM strength Originally Posted by Firegoat7 . I think you are are simply mistaken to be inferring such a negative implication to AO's comments. cheers, Absolutely agree with FG7 interpretation. __________________ God is Great

10-22-2009, 06:07 AM	#143 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	IM James is Cool! Originally Posted by flavid dude To say that James did not earn his title the way most IM's do belittles his achievement. That wasn't my intent, so I apologize if I did somehow belittle James achievement. There are two ways to an IM title. One is more rigourous and demanding than the other. As a consequence, IM's who earn the title through the more common and difficult method are often regarded in higher esteem by some people, at least initially, than the IM's who earn their title from doing well at a single inter-zonal tournament. However, as you correctly pointed out with the GM Chandler example, sometimes IM's who have earned their title at an inter-zonal go on to become strong grandmasters. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

10-22-2009, 10:26 AM	#144 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,548	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One That wasn't my intent, so I apologize if I did somehow belittle James achievement. There are two ways to an IM title. One is more rigourous and demanding than the other. As a consequence, IM's who earn the title through the more common and difficult method are often regarded in higher esteem by some people, at least initially, than the IM's who earn their title from doing well at a single inter-zonal tournament. However, as you correctly pointed out with the GM Chandler example, sometimes IM's who have earned their title at an inter-zonal go on to become strong grandmasters. Is there any similiarity here to how Mike Baron also judges Brian Jones' family titles -that they are soft. He even challenged the whole family to a simul grudge match to prove his point. You Victorians have spunk!

10-22-2009, 10:31 AM	#145 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,548	In my game against young Morris at Chesschat Kaitlin's Chess Ladder I never felt challenged and was surprised by such. I was expecting tsumamis, earthquakes, cyclones, floods, volcanoes, bushfires and loqust plagues. You could have blown me over by telling me I was playing an IM.

10-22-2009, 10:32 AM	#146 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	is spu.k instead of spunk a good enough reason to post the same crap twice?

10-22-2009, 10:50 AM	#147 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,548	Originally Posted by justaknight is spu.k instead of spunk a good enough reason to post the same crap twice? there are internet problems in cafe I am using. slow as hell as well and I cant use latest excel so I am going home to use my own dunny as bursting. Forget the spu.k for now, tomorrow maybe

10-22-2009, 01:36 PM	#148 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Internet Problems? Originally Posted by antichrist there are internet problems in cafe I am using. Maybe the cafe owners are targetting you for your unwavering support of Isreal's sovereignty. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

10-22-2009, 06:10 PM	#149 (permalink)
Il cavaliere inesistente Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 196	Round 3 Reserves results Round 3 results and cross table are now available on CV web site.Follow this link: 09 Results

10-23-2009, 07:47 AM	#150 (permalink)
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