2009 Victorian Junior U18 ansd U12 Championships - Page 5 - OzChess

**Lakshman** · 06-29-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Fenguin

nooooooo! I'm playing Isaac!!! I remember when I first played him in Vic Juniors U12 2006 and I won... I was 1100 and he was 800 and he ended up resigning missing a win.... now he's overtaken me being 1660's and i'm still 1500... sigh.. o well....

Tom, suggest take a tip or two from Zac who put up a brave fight with Jason Tang.

justaknight · 06-30-2009, 05:40 AM

Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad!

to all!
I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched.
I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game.
An indication of how serious they are, there was almost no transfer chess last night!
I wish James, Eugene, Laurence, Chris and Sally (sorry if I missed anyone) were playing. The tournament is great but not as strong without them!
Congratutations once again to Gerry and Trevor for being present wherever they are needed offering their services!

**Lakshman** · 06-30-2009, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by justaknight

Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! to all!

Well, we must admit that Fludey is a great player with tonnes of experience and knowledge but when analysing game of junior players, I believe he must get into their shoes and explain moves in a much more polite and professional manner which is acceptable to the juniors.

I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched.

Yes, agree.

I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game.

Agree, i hate to say this, but there are some senior players out there who while analysing games of junior players who would have lost by making a blunder towards the end game and as such frustrated. At that point in time, the last thing we expect the senior players to say is, "You should have done this, You should have done that, You are an idiot etc..etc.... My opinion would be just leave them alone for some time and when things have calmed down and the juniors realise what mistake they made, then analyse the game professionally, not just jump on them the second they have finished their game.

An indication of how serious they are, there was almost no transfer chess last night!
I wish James, Eugene, Laurence, Chris and Sally (sorry if I missed anyone) were playing. The tournament is great but not as strong without them!

Congratutations once again to Gerry and Trevor for being present wherever they are needed offering their services!

Absolutely true , except that parents need to make sure that they switch their mobile phones off at the venue. Poor Gerry had a hard time approaching the parents every time a mobile phone rings.

**MOZ** · 06-30-2009, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by justaknight

Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! to all!
I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched.
I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game.
An indication of how serious they are, there was almost no transfer chess last night!
I wish James, Eugene, Laurence, Chris and Sally (sorry if I missed anyone) were playing. The tournament is great but not as strong without them!
Congratutations once again to Gerry and Trevor for being present wherever they are needed offering their services!

A fuller list of 'wish you were here' is here.
The green are going

and the pink have stopped.

**bobby1972** · 06-30-2009, 10:57 AM

nearly 300 rating point gap at the top thats incredible,not many from that list in "junior chess players" playing,are there ANY older kids say 16 17 18 year olds playing?junior chess is really YOUNG this year.

**MOZ** · 06-30-2009, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by bobby1972

nearly 300 rating point gap at the top thats incredible,not many from that list in "junior chess players" playing,are there ANY older kids say 16 17 18 year olds playing?junior chess is really YOUNG this year.

It has been an undesirable trend for a few years; hence the list in "junior chess players" to emphasize to the 'pinks' that they can only win the title when they are U18, but they can be the Doerberl winner or SIO winner at any 'old' time.
The pinks need to make hay while the sun shines.

Now I understand that some need to concentrate on studies, but those dodging the rain in the sunshine state seems a curious choice.

MOZ*

justaknight · 06-30-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by MOZ

A fuller list of 'wish you were here' is here.
The green are going and the pink have stopped.

Geez I just realised I had forgotten so many!

Thanks Trevor, I forgot my Pink Floyd CD in the old house!

I 've work to do now, back later!

**bobby1972** · 06-30-2009, 11:30 AM

taso i sent you a pm on chesschat

**Ninja** · 06-30-2009, 12:46 PM

[quote=laksh;16200]

Originally Posted by justaknight

Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! to all!

Well, we must admit that Fludey is a great player with tonnes of experience and knowledge but when analysing game of junior players, I believe he must get into their shoes and explain moves in a much more polite and professional manner which is acceptable to the juniors.

I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched.

Yes, agree.

I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game.

Agree, i hate to say this, but there are some senior players out there who while analysing games of junior players who would have lost by making a blunder towards the end game and as such frustrated. At that point in time, the last thing we expect the senior players to say is, "You should have done this, You should have done that, You are an idiot etc..etc.... My opinion would be just leave them alone for some time and when things have calmed down and the juniors realise what mistake they made, then analyse the game professionally, not just jump on them the second they have finished their game.

[/b]

Tempted to add a comment but perhaps I will just settle for agreeing in full with the above comments. Most juniors struggle enough with losing without having ignorant adults rub it in. Anyone read one of the "why kids quit chess" threads lately ?

**MOZ** · 06-30-2009, 02:18 PM

Code:

1	Bobby Cheng	2130	[3]	:	Jason Tang	1838	[3]
2	Yilun Ding	1801	[2.5]	:	Isaac Ng	1669	[2.5]
3	P Wallmueller	1201	[2.5]	:	Vinay Lakshman	1236	[2.5]
4	Thomas Feng	1524	[2.5]	:	Gene Lai	1599	[2]
5	Kyle Gibson	1222	[2]	:	Nicholas Liu	1583	[2]
6	Jonathan Tang	1291	[2]	:	Adam Hayman	1078	[2]
7	Nathan Hibberd	1111	[2]	:	Deniz Tuncer	1185	[2]
8	Zachary Loh	1068	[1.5]	:	Simon Karumbi	1601	[1.5]
9	Savi Narenthran	546	[1.5]	:	Frank Lekkas	1601	[1.5]
10	Joshua Devarajh	673	[1.5]	:	Anurag Sannidhanam	1516	[1.5]
11	Michael Addamo	810	[1.5]	:	Joshua Ng	1321	[1.5]
12	Anthony Harris	1501	[1]	:	David Toper	1209	[1.5]
13	J Narenthran	320	[1]	:	Michael Tanner	1033	[1]
14	Karl Zelesco	301	[1]	:	Manoj Anguswamy	828	[1]
15	M Castle-K	501	[1]	:	David Cannon	357	[1]
16	Stephanie Gu	303	[.5]	:	David Yuan	535	[1]
17	N Anguswamy	661	[0]	:	Ollie Xue	701	[.5]
18	C Dilnutt	360	[0]	:	Harley Kemelfield	501	[0]
19	Euan Reid	401	[0]	:	BYE		
20	Daniel Yuan	954	[1]	:	BYE

**Virgil** · 06-30-2009, 06:05 PM

Code:

1	Bobby Cheng	2130	[3]	.5:.5	Jason Tang	1838	[3]
2	Yilun Ding	1801	[2.5]	1:0	Isaac Ng	1669	[2.5]
3	P Wallmueller	1201	[2.5]	0:1	Vinay Lakshman	1236	[2.5]
4	Thomas Feng	1524	[2.5]	1:0	Gene Lai	1599	[2]
5	Kyle Gibson	1222	[2]	0:1	Nicholas Liu	1583	[2]
6	Jonathan Tang	1291	[2]	.5:.5	Adam Hayman	1078	[2]
7	Nathan Hibberd	1111	[2]	1:0	Deniz Tuncer	1185	[2]
8	Zachary Loh	1068	[1.5]	1:0	Simon Karumbi	1601	[1.5]
9	Savi Narenthran	546	[1.5]	1:0	Frank Lekkas	1601	[1.5]
10	Joshua Devarajh	673	[1.5]	0:1	Anurag Sannidhanam	1516	[1.5]
11	Michael Addamo	810	[1.5]	.5:.5	Joshua Ng	1321	[1.5]
12	Anthony Harris	1501	[1]	0:1	David Toper	1209	[1.5]
13	J Narenthran	320	[1]	0:1	Michael Tanner	1033	[1]
14	Karl Zelesco	301	[1]	0:1	Manoj Anguswamy	828	[1]
15	Mendel Castle-K	501	[1]	1:0	David Cannon	357	[1]
16	Stephanie Gu	303	[.5]	1:0	David Yuan	535	[1]
17	N Anguswamy	661	[0]	0:1	Ollie Xue	701	[.5]
18	C Dilnutt	360	[0]	0:1	Harley Kemelfield	501	[0]
19	Euan Reid	401	[0]	.5:0	BYE		
20	Daniel Yuan	954	[1]	:	BYE

Code:

1	Vinay Lakshman	1236	[3.5]	:	Bobby Cheng	2130	[3.5]
2	Jason Tang	1838	[3.5]	:	Thomas Feng	1524	[3.5]
3	Nicholas Liu	1583	[3]	:	Yilun Ding	1801	[3.5]
4	Isaac Ng	1669	[2.5]	:	Nathan Hibberd	1111	[3]
5	Anurag Sannidhanam	1516	[2.5]	:	Zachary Loh	1068	[2.5]
6	David Toper	1209	[2.5]	:	Jonathan Tang	1291	[2.5]
7	Adam Hayman	1078	[2.5]	:	Peter Wallmueller	1201	[2.5]
8	Joshua Ng	1321	[2]	:	Savithri Narenthran	546	[2.5]
9	Gene Lai	1599	[2]	:	Mendel Castle-Kirszbaum	501	[2]
10	Michael Tanner	1033	[2]	:	Kyle Gibson	1222	[2]
11	Deniz Tuncer	1185	[2]	:	Michael Addamo	810	[2]
12	Manoj Anguswamy	828	[2]	:	Frank Lekkas	1601	[1.5]
13	Simon Karumbi	1601	[1.5]	:	Stephanie Gu	303	[1.5]
14	Ollie Xue	701	[1.5]	:	Joshua Devarajh	673	[1.5]
15	David Cannon	357	[1]	:	Anthony Harris	1501	[1]
16	David Yuan	535	[1]	:	Karl Zelesco	301	[1]
17	Harley Kemelfield	501	[1]	:	Janaki Narenthran	320	[1]
18	Euan Reid	401	[.5]	:	Charlotte Dilnutt	360	[0]
19	Nivedita Anguswamy	661	[0]	.5:0	BYE		
20	Daniel Yuan	954	[1]	0:0	BYE

Code:

1-5	Cheng, Bobby		2130	3.5
	Tang, Jason		1838	3.5
	Ding, Yilun		1801	3.5
	Lakshman, Vinay		1236	3.5
	Feng, Thomas		1524	3.5
6-7	Liu, Nicholas		1583	3
	Hibberd, Nathan		1111	3
8-15	Ng, Isaac		1669	2.5
	Wallmueller, P		1201	2.5
	Tang, Jonathan		1291	2.5
	Sannidhanam, A		1516	2.5
	Hayman, Adam		1078	2.5
	Loh, Zachary		1068	2.5
	Narenthran, S		546	2.5
	Toper, David		1209	2.5
16-23	Lai, Gene		1599	2
	Tuncer, Deniz		1185	2
	Gibson, Kyle		1222	2
	Ng, Joshua		1321	2
	Addamo, Michael		810	2
	Castle-K, M		501	2
	Anguswamy, M		828	2
	Tanner, Michael		1033	2
24-28	Karumbi, Simon		1601	1.5
	Lekkas, Frank		1601	1.5
	Devarajh, J		673	1.5
	Gu, Stephanie		303	1.5
	Xue, Ollie		701	1.5
29-35	Cannon, David		357	1
	Yuan, David		535	1
	Yuan, Daniel		954	1
	Harris, Anthony		1501	1
	Zelesco, Karl		301	1
	Narenthran, Janaki		320	1
	Kemelfield, Harley		501	1
36-37	Reid, Euan		401	0.5
	Anguswamy, Nivedita		661	0.5
38	Dilnutt, Charlotte		360	0

**Calvin** · 06-30-2009, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by laksh

Agree, i hate to say this, but there are some senior players out there who while analysing games of junior players who would have lost by making a blunder towards the end game and as such frustrated. At that point in time, the last thing we expect the senior players to say is, "You should have done this, You should have done that, You are an idiot etc..etc....

Did someone really say something like that?

**Lakshman** · 06-30-2009, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Calvin

Did someone really say something like that?

Yes, heard loud & clear.

**Lakshman** · 06-30-2009, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Fenguin

nooooooo! I'm playing Isaac!!! I remember when I first played him in Vic Juniors U12 2006 and I won... I was 1100 and he was 800 and he ended up resigning missing a win.... now he's overtaken me being 1660's and i'm still 1500... sigh.. o well....

Tom, do you have anything to say on above today? The answer is "NO"

**MOZ** · 06-30-2009, 10:06 PM

Code:

1	Yilun Ding	1801	[4]	:	Jason Tang	1838	[4.5]
2	Bobby Cheng	2130	[4.5]	:	Isaac Ng	1669	[3.5]
3	Savi Narenthran	546	[3.5]	:	Nicholas Liu	1583	[3.5]
4	Thomas Feng	1524	[3.5]	:	Adam Hayman	1078	[3.5]
5	Jonathan Tang	1291	[3.5]	:	Vinay Lakshman	1236	[3.5]
6	Zachary Loh	1068	[3]	:	Gene Lai	1599	[3]
7	Nathan Hibberd	1111	[3]	:	Anurag Sannidhanam	1516	[3]
8	Michael Addamo	810	[2.5]	:	Simon Karumbi	1601	[2.5]
9	Frank Lekkas	1601	[2.5]	:	Michael Tanner	1033	[2.5]
10	Kyle Gibson	1222	[2.5]	:	Deniz Tuncer	1185	[2.5]
11	PWallmueller	1201	[2.5]	:	David Toper	1209	[2.5]
12	Josh Devarajh	673	[2.5]	:	Manoj Anguswamy	828	[2]
13	J Narenthran	320	[2]	:	Joshua Ng	1321	[2]
14	Karl Zelesco	301	[2]	:	Mendel Castle-Kirszbaum	501	[2]
15	C Dilnutt	360	[2]	:	David Cannon	357	[2]
16	Daniel Yuan	954	[1]	:	Ollie Xue	701	[1.5]
17	Stephanie Gu	303	[1.5]	:	Euan Reid	401	[1]
18	Anthony Harris	1501	[1]	:	Harley Kemelfield	501	[1]
19	David Yuan	535	[1]	:	Nivedita Anguswamy	661	[1]

06-29-2009, 10:28 PM	#61 (permalink)
Lakshman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 329	Originally Posted by Fenguin nooooooo! I'm playing Isaac!!! I remember when I first played him in Vic Juniors U12 2006 and I won... I was 1100 and he was 800 and he ended up resigning missing a win.... now he's overtaken me being 1660's and i'm still 1500... sigh.. o well.... Tom, suggest take a tip or two from Zac who put up a brave fight with Jason Tang. __________________ God is Great

06-30-2009, 07:05 AM	#63 (permalink)
Lakshman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 329	Originally Posted by justaknight Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! to all! Well, we must admit that Fludey is a great player with tonnes of experience and knowledge but when analysing game of junior players, I believe he must get into their shoes and explain moves in a much more polite and professional manner which is acceptable to the juniors. I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched. Yes, agree. I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game. Agree, i hate to say this, but there are some senior players out there who while analysing games of junior players who would have lost by making a blunder towards the end game and as such frustrated. At that point in time, the last thing we expect the senior players to say is, "You should have done this, You should have done that, You are an idiot etc..etc.... My opinion would be just leave them alone for some time and when things have calmed down and the juniors realise what mistake they made, then analyse the game professionally, not just jump on them the second they have finished their game. An indication of how serious they are, there was almost no transfer chess last night! I wish James, Eugene, Laurence, Chris and Sally (sorry if I missed anyone) were playing. The tournament is great but not as strong without them! Congratutations once again to Gerry and Trevor for being present wherever they are needed offering their services! Absolutely true , except that parents need to make sure that they switch their mobile phones off at the venue. Poor Gerry had a hard time approaching the parents every time a mobile phone rings. __________________ God is Great Last edited by Just2Good : 06-30-2009 at 12:42 PM Reason: Fixed Quote Box

06-30-2009, 10:42 AM	#64 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by justaknight Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! to all! I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched. I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game. An indication of how serious they are, there was almost no transfer chess last night! I wish James, Eugene, Laurence, Chris and Sally (sorry if I missed anyone) were playing. The tournament is great but not as strong without them! Congratutations once again to Gerry and Trevor for being present wherever they are needed offering their services! A fuller list of 'wish you were here' is here. The green are going and the pink have stopped. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-30-2009, 11:12 AM	#66 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by bobby1972 nearly 300 rating point gap at the top thats incredible,not many from that list in "junior chess players" playing,are there ANY older kids say 16 17 18 year olds playing?junior chess is really YOUNG this year. It has been an undesirable trend for a few years; hence the list in "junior chess players" to emphasize to the 'pinks' that they can only win the title when they are U18, but they can be the Doerberl winner or SIO winner at any 'old' time. The pinks need to make hay while the sun shines. Now I understand that some need to concentrate on studies, but those dodging the rain in the sunshine state seems a curious choice. MOZ* __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-30-2009, 11:20 AM	#67 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	Originally Posted by MOZ A fuller list of 'wish you were here' is here. The green are going and the pink have stopped. Geez I just realised I had forgotten so many! Thanks Trevor, I forgot my Pink Floyd CD in the old house! I 've work to do now, back later!

06-30-2009, 05:40 AM	#62 (permalink)
justaknight Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 282	Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! to all! I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched. I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game. An indication of how serious they are, there was almost no transfer chess last night! I wish James, Eugene, Laurence, Chris and Sally (sorry if I missed anyone) were playing. The tournament is great but not as strong without them! Congratutations once again to Gerry and Trevor for being present wherever they are needed offering their services!

06-30-2009, 10:57 AM	#65 (permalink)
bobby1972 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 20	nearly 300 rating point gap at the top thats incredible,not many from that list in "junior chess players" playing,are there ANY older kids say 16 17 18 year olds playing?junior chess is really YOUNG this year.

06-30-2009, 11:30 AM	#68 (permalink)
bobby1972 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 20	taso i sent you a pm on chesschat

06-30-2009, 12:46 PM	#69 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	[quote=laksh;16200] Originally Posted by justaknight Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! to all! Well, we must admit that Fludey is a great player with tonnes of experience and knowledge but when analysing game of junior players, I believe he must get into their shoes and explain moves in a much more polite and professional manner which is acceptable to the juniors. I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched. Yes, agree. I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game. Agree, i hate to say this, but there are some senior players out there who while analysing games of junior players who would have lost by making a blunder towards the end game and as such frustrated. At that point in time, the last thing we expect the senior players to say is, "You should have done this, You should have done that, You are an idiot etc..etc.... My opinion would be just leave them alone for some time and when things have calmed down and the juniors realise what mistake they made, then analyse the game professionally, not just jump on them the second they have finished their game. [/b] Tempted to add a comment but perhaps I will just settle for agreeing in full with the above comments. Most juniors struggle enough with losing without having ignorant adults rub it in. Anyone read one of the "why kids quit chess" threads lately ?

06-30-2009, 08:28 PM	#72 (permalink)
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 259	Originally Posted by laksh Agree, i hate to say this, but there are some senior players out there who while analysing games of junior players who would have lost by making a blunder towards the end game and as such frustrated. At that point in time, the last thing we expect the senior players to say is, "You should have done this, You should have done that, You are an idiot etc..etc.... Did someone really say something like that?

06-30-2009, 09:16 PM	#73 (permalink)
Lakshman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 329	Originally Posted by Calvin Did someone really say something like that? Yes, heard loud & clear. __________________ God is Great

06-30-2009, 09:32 PM	#74 (permalink)
Lakshman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 329	Originally Posted by Fenguin nooooooo! I'm playing Isaac!!! I remember when I first played him in Vic Juniors U12 2006 and I won... I was 1100 and he was 800 and he ended up resigning missing a win.... now he's overtaken me being 1660's and i'm still 1500... sigh.. o well.... Tom, do you have anything to say on above today? The answer is "NO" __________________ God is Great

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