Just2Good

I had this honour once.

Also, once someone was roughing me up and I accused him of cheating because it seemed like I was playing against Fritz. But later it turned out he wasn't. I apologized to him and felt stupid.

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antichrist

On Kaitlin's Chess Ladder over there, there is another little controversy - tell them Antichrist sent you - but I am not encouraging to hydra enter. Got through the front door and shake the foundations down - ha ha

HobsonJobson

I know someone who has two accounts on YahooChess and he plays them agts each other to boost the pts of one of the accounts, and then cheats to get the other account back up on points.

Pretty ridiculous and what a waste of time. I reckon there's heaps of internet cheats, as i play on Facebook chess and Gameknot and I always lose!

But serously nothing you can do but just play and improve then hit the chess clubs/tourneys to get a proper gauge on your level.

Just2Good

I fully agree! Sorry your post got caught in the mod queue as well, that should happen again.

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Ehm TO

Seems weird to me that people would cheat in online chess as if having an online ranking is something that makes you super cool. Guess it followed the same lines as Halo 2 where everyone just wanted a level 50 so they modded or bridged.

Being cool on the internet, never made sense to me.

Iconoclast

Sounds like sour grapes.

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Just2Good

I'm cool without it, but I still prefer to have it - to make me extra cool!

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Ehm TO

There is nothing wrong with having a ranking to give others an idea of your status in the game. I just think it is wrong that people get obsessed over a number and use unfair advantages to try and increase that number. Guess that is the extenze for the e-dick world.

Thomas Bishop

I think generally, its not really the rating points someone is after when they cheat. Instead, its frustration. When you are on a long losing streak, one get's angry and frustrated, and then turns to the super chess computer to cheat simply to stop the losing and pass the misery on to someone else. Sad, but its the way a chess player's mind works.

antichrist

Frankly I don't why some players at the lower end persist in playing. I remember .....(someone from chesschat) going to Doberl, would have cost a fortune with everything, scored half a point then came back and stated he had a great comp. Don't they have any pride. If you persist in going at least study openings etc so can win a few games. Don't just throw your money and pride away. Stick to friendly games if you can't win often.

Jaydon

Somebody has to be the worst

Just2Good

Basically, that's whoever my opponent is.

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antichrist

That means you must be the second worse unless you would not be paired against them. You know Zero wins plays against zero wins

antichrist

sorry, I just remember that you have beaten some top players

Firegoat7

Hi,


In my opinion I believe there is a fair bit of cheating on the internet. It seems to me that this cheating is done by people using computers to play their games.
On the other hand we are also witnessing a relative recent phenomena over the last 10 years of people getting much better from playing chess computers. Therefore we have two issues cheating and mimicking that are affecting the game of chess.

One can only speculate on the motivation that drives a person to cheat at chess. The human ego seems the most likely option, but in a sense I only have pity for anybody who is trapped in that reality. I have less reason to worry about such players as they are normally quite stupid and can be milked once you figure out their opening repertoire.

Another three possible motivations are artificial intelligence, house bots and database accumulation. I think these motivations for computer abuse need to be investigated because I remain skeptical about internet sites policing their own business interests. I also think that players need to share this information in a more proactive way because COMPUTER cheats need to be outed as frauds. It is a moral and economical question, in that, players ought to know who they are playing.

I would not be surprised to find out that most internet chess sites use house bots masquerading as players. One way to spot these players is to notice the amount of time they spend on the internet. If players are playing 24 hours that is a big warning that all may not be right with the site. Look for the regulars who don't sleep and take note of who they lose their games against.

The next example is database accumulation. Players ought to understand that knowledge is power in chess. The accumulation of accurate database knowledge is a very important weapon in the arsenal of any competent chess player. I know of some chess players who have used computers to understand things about opening that they are interested in. They force the computer to play specific lines against all comers. The motivation is to develop a water tight opening repertoire. It probably happens more then people realise. Watch for players who never seem to blunder in the opening. Notice how quickly they play the first 25 moves of a game. Try and focus on how much their rhythm of play changes in sharp and quiet positions. If they play at the same automatic speed they may be a bot.

The last possible reason is artificial intelligence. In a way this is the most disturbing type of cheat because its intention is to use chess players as involuntary guinea pigs. The basic idea is that intellectual academic investigation is encouraging programmers to develop chess programs that think for themselves. Computer developers are interested in teaching their "babys" to think for themselves. I know of one case where a computer program managed to achieve an 1800 rating just through playing 1 move deep. Lets not forget that IBM pumped millions into its matches with Kasparov. All because IBM believed in the ideal of a machine beating a human and chess.

Against these players look for highly original style that doesn't seem to be attached to winning and losing. Take note of how they win and lose. Look for dogmatic determinism when winning and creative computer like innovation in future sessions.

Of course the problem now is discerning the difference between mimicking and compute play. I present an example on ICC of one such player who in my opinion is simply a computer bot.

cheers,

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