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Old 01-27-2009, 02:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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OPENING DATABASES

Any over the board chessplayer who has a database program such as Chessbase or Chess Assistant and a large up to date database of games has a considerable advantage against players who lack these items. As for correspondence chess unless you have a database program and a large database you are at a very considerable disadvantage. I shall not compare the chess database programs Chessbase and Chess Assistant. I own both and consider that they are both very good. The purpose of this article is to compare chess databases from Chessbase, Chess Assistant and Opening Master. Before proceding further I wish to point out that in my opinion they are all first rate products.

Databases on DVD

It is possible to purchase databases on DVD containg about 4,00,000 games from either Chessbase (megadatabase xxxx where xxxx is the year) and Chess Assistant (hugebase). Megadatabase is marginally larger and contains a large number of correspondence games whereas the Chess Assistant database contains few if any correspondence games. Both Chessbase and Chess assistant have the facility to download games each week to add to your database. As far as I can see this consists of approximately 3000 games from “The Week in Chess”. However over a period of time your database will lack recent correspondence games as well as new over the board games that are not reported on The Week in Chess.

From time to time both companies make new versions of their databases available for purchase. These contain more over the board games, more annotated games, and in the case of Chessbase more correspondence games. The advantage of buying a database on CD is that you buy it, install it and use it. Furthermore often there will be a number of annotated games. The disadvantage is that over a period of time it will become out of date. To keep it up to date you need to download games from various sources and then remove duplicated games. Also you need to remove what can best be described as junk games; example are games played at absurdly fast time controls, very short draws, games with no moves recorded.


Opening Master

Opening master provides databases that can be used by the Chessbase program. They do not provide their own database program. Opening Master Database uses a distinct approach. You pay an annual subscription. Then you can download the database and a replacement database each month. The database currently is about 5,000,00 games, none of which are annotated. It contains games from a wider range of sources than megabase or Hugebase and it contains more correspondence games. Furthermore it does not contain any games without moves This has the advantage of less junk on your database but means that you do not have full records of tournaments. New over the board games are added to the database each month and correspondence games are added on a six monthly basis.

The advantage of using the Opening Master Approach is that the database is up to date, contains more games and that you are spared the tasks of cleaning out the junk games and duplicated games. The disadvantages are first that there are no annotated games and secondly is the cost of the product.

Correspondence Games.

Being a correspondence chess specialist I find that the handling of correspondence games could be better on all three databases. Hugebase appears to be very weak in covering correspondence games. I made a spot check and could not find any of my games or games by Estrin or Berliner Megabase has the disadvantage that although it has a large number of correspondence games new correspondence games are not added in the on-line update facility. OpeningMaster adds correspondence games but only every six months.

Fortunately there is a simple way to address this problem. I suggest that you purchase the most recent correspondence database from Tim Harding on DVD which contains many very deeply annotated correspondence games and download the free databases from IECG and ICCF frequently.

Summary.

You are not going to go far wrong with any of the three databases. If you do not already own a database program the package of Chess Assistant plus Hugebase plus the chess playing program Deep Rybka 3 is exceptional value for money. If you own Chessbase you will already have a database that came with the product. You will need to choose whether to try and keep it up to date or subscribe to Chessmaster. My personal preference is to subscribe to Chessmaster as it means that someone else is scouring the internet for games and keeping the database free of duplicate games and junk games.

Whatever is your choice I suggest that you purchase A database of correspondence chess games from Tim Harding and the update it with games from IECG and ICCF
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OPENING DATABASES

Any over the board chessplayer who has a database program such as Chessbase or Chess Assistant and a large up to date database of games has a considerable advantage against players who lack these items. As for correspondence chess unless you have a database program and a large database you are at a very considerable disadvantage. I shall not compare the chess database programs Chessbase and Chess Assistant. I own both and consider that they are both very good. The purpose of this article is to compare chess databases from Chessbase, Chess Assistant and Opening Master. Before proceding further I wish to point out that in my opinion they are all first rate products.

Databases on DVD

It is possible to purchase databases on DVD containg about 4,00,000 games from either Chessbase (megadatabase xxxx where xxxx is the year) and Chess Assistant (hugebase). Megadatabase is marginally larger and contains a large number of correspondence games whereas the Chess Assistant database contains few if any correspondence games. Both Chessbase and Chess assistant have the facility to download games each week to add to your database. As far as I can see this consists of approximately 3000 games from “The Week in Chess”. However over a period of time your database will lack recent correspondence games as well as new over the board games that are not reported on The Week in Chess.

From time to time both companies make new versions of their databases available for purchase. These contain more over the board games, more annotated games, and in the case of Chessbase more correspondence games. The advantage of buying a database on CD is that you buy it, install it and use it. Furthermore often there will be a number of annotated games. The disadvantage is that over a period of time it will become out of date. To keep it up to date you need to download games from various sources and then remove duplicated games. Also you need to remove what can best be described as junk games; example are games played at absurdly fast time controls, very short draws, games with no moves recorded.


Opening Master

Opening master provides databases that can be used by the Chessbase program. They do not provide their own database program. Opening Master Database uses a distinct approach. You pay an annual subscription. Then you can download the database and a replacement database each month. The database currently is about 5,000,00 games, none of which are annotated. It contains games from a wider range of sources than megabase or Hugebase and it contains more correspondence games. Furthermore it does not contain any games without moves This has the advantage of less junk on your database but means that you do not have full records of tournaments. New over the board games are added to the database each month and correspondence games are added on a six monthly basis.

The advantage of using the Opening Master Approach is that the database is up to date, contains more games and that you are spared the tasks of cleaning out the junk games and duplicated games. The disadvantages are first that there are no annotated games and secondly is the cost of the product.

Correspondence Games.

Being a correspondence chess specialist I find that the handling of correspondence games could be better on all three databases. Hugebase appears to be very weak in covering correspondence games. I made a spot check and could not find any of my games or games by Estrin or Berliner Megabase has the disadvantage that although it has a large number of correspondence games new correspondence games are not added in the on-line update facility. OpeningMaster adds correspondence games but only every six months.

Fortunately there is a simple way to address this problem. I suggest that you purchase the most recent correspondence database from Tim Harding on DVD which contains many very deeply annotated correspondence games and download the free databases from IECG and ICCF frequently.

Summary.

You are not going to go far wrong with any of the three databases. If you do not already own a database program the package of Chess Assistant plus Hugebase plus the chess playing program Deep Rybka 3 is exceptional value for money. If you own Chessbase you will already have a database that came with the product. You will need to choose whether to try and keep it up to date or subscribe to Chessmaster. My personal preference is to subscribe to Chessmaster as it means that someone else is scouring the internet for games and keeping the database free of duplicate games and junk games.

Whatever is your choice I suggest that you purchase A database of correspondence chess games from Tim Harding and the update it with games from IECG and ICCF
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Great stuff superfly. I think I'm going to have to look into all three of those. Where did you say you can find them?
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A correspondence games archive of ICCF games from 2002-09 is available at this link

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A correspondence games archive of ICCF games from 2002-09 is available at this link

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A correspondence games archive of ICCF games from 2002-09 is available at this link

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Indeed there is and there is another at the IECG website.

You can also buy one of Tim Harding's CD's.

But the easiest way to keep up to date with correspondence games is to subscribe to Chessmaster.com
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Anybody know how to actually add data/e-books into the main database of Fritz/Rybka?
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Anybody know how to actually add data/e-books into the main database of Fritz/Rybka?
I assume you received many replies to this as Fritz is a popular program? How did it go?
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