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**Just2Good** · 01-09-2009, 12:42 PM

Chessexpress has reported that someone was caught using a computer at the Australian Open. That is disappointing but in a tournament where prize money is bigger than usual, I suppose its to be expected that some people will resort to this type of thing.

**Zeitgeist** · 01-09-2009, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Chessexpress has reported that someone was caught using a computer at the Australian Open. That is disappointing but in a tournament where prize money is bigger than usual, I suppose its to be expected that some people will resort to this type of thing.

For a start, the individual should be presented with the rules of chess and asked to admit to a breaking of a rule, or rules. If the individual admits to guilt then the rules of chess allow some penalties,
Then the individual should be presented with the rules of the tournament and the same process pursued.

The article you reference only indicates a single episode. There may be no evidence of past episodes, nor evidence of intention for future episodes.

**Axiom Support Group** · 01-09-2009, 02:11 PM

Some further details from TCG:

"Dunnygate" has erupted in the currently ongoing Aussie Open championships. We have just been advised by FM Brett Tindall that a player was caught red handed with what he described as a "hand held machine". It would seem that this player visited the men's toilet no less than six times during the course of a game!

NSWCA boss Bill Gletsos says that the player was expelled, he appealed and the appeal unanimously denied by the appeals committee.

Thanks to FM Tindall for sending us this specially annotated PGN.

1. e4 c5 2. b3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 Black visits toilet 4. Bb2 Nc6 5. Nf3 e6 6. g3 d6 Black visits toilet 7. Bg2 dxe5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5 Black visits toilet 9. Bxe5 f6 10. Bb2 Be7 11. f4 O-O Black visits toilet 12. O-O c4 13. Nc3 Bc5+ Black visits toilet 14. Kh1 Nxc3 15. Bxc3 Bd4 16. Bxd4 Qxd4 17. c3 Qc5 18. b4 Qc7 19. Qf3 Rd8 Black visits toilet for the last time 20. Rad1 a5 Black player forfeited, found in the toilet frequently visiting the cubicle using electronic assistance (handheld chess program). 1-0

Lousy At Chess Blog also has a good piece on this story.

**Jaydon** · 01-09-2009, 02:52 PM

I personally don't think cheating like this should be tolerated at any level and expulsion from the tournament should be the first step taken. I think also, (depending on the situation) a minimum 6 month ban from all rated tournaments should be enforced.

**Just2Good** · 01-09-2009, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

I personally don't think cheating like this should be tolerated at any level and expulsion from the tournament should be the first step taken. I think also, (depending on the situation) a minimum 6 month ban from all rated tournaments should be enforced.

Understandable sentiments Jaydon, but you don't want to use a hammer to swat a fly. I think expulsion from the event is probably enough to make the point that cheating is unacceptable.

**JKT** · 01-09-2009, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Understandable sentiments Jaydon, but you don't want to use a hammer to swat a fly. I think expulsion from the event is probably enough to make the point that cheating is unacceptable.

Yeah but if you dont come down on it hard anuff then people will just keep doin it!

**Jaydon** · 01-09-2009, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by JKT

Yeah but if you dont come down on it hard anuff then people will just keep doin it!

Yes, agreed!

**Just2Good** · 01-09-2009, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

Yes, agreed!

Okay then, lets throw those cheaters in prison!!!

**Calvin** · 01-09-2009, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Okay then, lets throw those cheaters in prison!!!

There is no need to be cynical. I think an important consideration that has been over looked is just how wide spread this sort of thing is. I mean just because this might be the first time someone has been caught doesn't necessarily mean other people haven't done the same thing but not gotten caught.

**Just2Good** · 01-09-2009, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Calvin

There is no need to be cynical. I think an important consideration that has been over looked is just how wide spread this sort of thing is. I mean just because this might be the first time someone has been caught doesn't necessarily mean other people haven't done the same thing but not gotten caught.

I was only being tongue in cheek mate.

But I don't think the problem is that wide spread based on the chess tournaments I have been to.

**Simon** · 01-09-2009, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by JKT

Yeah but if you dont come down on it hard anuff then people will just keep doin it!

I couldn't agree more!

**Just2Good** · 01-10-2009, 01:46 PM

Here is the game Edward (the alleged cheater) was playing before he got caught in the crapper with the ice pick .... or was that a Fritz?

**Bill Gletsos** · 01-10-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Here is the game Edward (the alleged cheater) was playing before he got caught in the crapper with the ice pick .... or was that a Fritz?

Your claim that this is the game in question is totally false. The game you have posted is from 12 months ago.

The game in question can be seen on the closetgrandmaster website here

**Just2Good** · 01-10-2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Your claim that this is the game in question is totally false. The game you have posted is from 12 months ago.

The game in question can be seen on the closetgrandmaster website here

I got it directly from Chessexpress Bill. No one on that blog, including the blogger himself, made any remark or posting to suggest that the game put up on Chessexpress was not the correct one. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

Best Regards,

Alex

**Bill Gletsos** · 01-10-2009, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I got it directly from Chessexpress Bill. No one on that blog, including the blogger himself, made any remark or posting to suggest that the game put up on Chessexpress was not the correct one. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

Shaun's original bog entry clearly points to the correct game on closetgrandmaster blog.

You went by what some anonymous clown posted in the comment section.

View Poll Results: What should happen to people caught red handed using chess computers at tournaments?
They should be given a stern warning not to cheat again!	6	42.86%
They should be banned from playing any other tournaments for one or more years!	7	50.00%
They should be banned from playing forever!	0	0%
They should lose the game the cheated in but no other penalty!	1	7.14%
They should be expelled from the tournament they cheated in!	2	14.29%
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01-09-2009, 12:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Computer Cheats Chessexpress has reported that someone was caught using a computer at the Australian Open. That is disappointing but in a tournament where prize money is bigger than usual, I suppose its to be expected that some people will resort to this type of thing. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

01-09-2009, 01:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
Zeitgeist Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 35	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Chessexpress has reported that someone was caught using a computer at the Australian Open. That is disappointing but in a tournament where prize money is bigger than usual, I suppose its to be expected that some people will resort to this type of thing. For a start, the individual should be presented with the rules of chess and asked to admit to a breaking of a rule, or rules. If the individual admits to guilt then the rules of chess allow some penalties, Then the individual should be presented with the rules of the tournament and the same process pursued. The article you reference only indicates a single episode. There may be no evidence of past episodes, nor evidence of intention for future episodes.

01-09-2009, 02:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Axiom Support Group Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Laku, Ishmaelia Posts: 137	Some further details from TCG: "Dunnygate" has erupted in the currently ongoing Aussie Open championships. We have just been advised by FM Brett Tindall that a player was caught red handed with what he described as a "hand held machine". It would seem that this player visited the men's toilet no less than six times during the course of a game! NSWCA boss Bill Gletsos says that the player was expelled, he appealed and the appeal unanimously denied by the appeals committee. Thanks to FM Tindall for sending us this specially annotated PGN. 1. e4 c5 2. b3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 Black visits toilet 4. Bb2 Nc6 5. Nf3 e6 6. g3 d6 Black visits toilet 7. Bg2 dxe5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5 Black visits toilet 9. Bxe5 f6 10. Bb2 Be7 11. f4 O-O Black visits toilet 12. O-O c4 13. Nc3 Bc5+ Black visits toilet 14. Kh1 Nxc3 15. Bxc3 Bd4 16. Bxd4 Qxd4 17. c3 Qc5 18. b4 Qc7 19. Qf3 Rd8 Black visits toilet for the last time 20. Rad1 a5 Black player forfeited, found in the toilet frequently visiting the cubicle using electronic assistance (handheld chess program). 1-0 Lousy At Chess Blog also has a good piece on this story.

01-09-2009, 05:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Punishments for Cheating Originally Posted by Jaydon I personally don't think cheating like this should be tolerated at any level and expulsion from the tournament should be the first step taken. I think also, (depending on the situation) a minimum 6 month ban from all rated tournaments should be enforced. Understandable sentiments Jaydon, but you don't want to use a hammer to swat a fly. I think expulsion from the event is probably enough to make the point that cheating is unacceptable. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

01-09-2009, 02:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,098 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	I personally don't think cheating like this should be tolerated at any level and expulsion from the tournament should be the first step taken. I think also, (depending on the situation) a minimum 6 month ban from all rated tournaments should be enforced.

01-09-2009, 06:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
JKT Chess novice Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ballarat, Victoria Posts: 21	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Understandable sentiments Jaydon, but you don't want to use a hammer to swat a fly. I think expulsion from the event is probably enough to make the point that cheating is unacceptable. Yeah but if you dont come down on it hard anuff then people will just keep doin it!

01-09-2009, 08:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,098 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by JKT Yeah but if you dont come down on it hard anuff then people will just keep doin it! Yes, agreed!

01-09-2009, 08:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Jaydon Yes, agreed! Okay then, lets throw those cheaters in prison!!! __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

01-09-2009, 08:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 259	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Okay then, lets throw those cheaters in prison!!! There is no need to be cynical. I think an important consideration that has been over looked is just how wide spread this sort of thing is. I mean just because this might be the first time someone has been caught doesn't necessarily mean other people haven't done the same thing but not gotten caught.

01-09-2009, 08:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Calvin There is no need to be cynical. I think an important consideration that has been over looked is just how wide spread this sort of thing is. I mean just because this might be the first time someone has been caught doesn't necessarily mean other people haven't done the same thing but not gotten caught. I was only being tongue in cheek mate. But I don't think the problem is that wide spread based on the chess tournaments I have been to. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

01-09-2009, 09:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 162	Originally Posted by JKT Yeah but if you dont come down on it hard anuff then people will just keep doin it! I couldn't agree more!

01-10-2009, 02:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Here is the game Edward (the alleged cheater) was playing before he got caught in the crapper with the ice pick .... or was that a Fritz? Your claim that this is the game in question is totally false. The game you have posted is from 12 months ago. The game in question can be seen on the closetgrandmaster website here

01-10-2009, 03:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Your claim that this is the game in question is totally false. The game you have posted is from 12 months ago. The game in question can be seen on the closetgrandmaster website here I got it directly from Chessexpress Bill. No one on that blog, including the blogger himself, made any remark or posting to suggest that the game put up on Chessexpress was not the correct one. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Best Regards, Alex __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

01-10-2009, 03:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I got it directly from Chessexpress Bill. No one on that blog, including the blogger himself, made any remark or posting to suggest that the game put up on Chessexpress was not the correct one. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Shaun's original bog entry clearly points to the correct game on closetgrandmaster blog. You went by what some anonymous clown posted in the comment section.

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