Ozbase updates? - OzChess

**pawngrabber** · 06-28-2011, 03:07 PM

Just wondering how often Ozbase gets updated - I see Doeberl 2010 but not 2011 for instance. Maybe this is something the ACF could get behind so it gets updated more regularly?

**Just2Good** · 06-28-2011, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by pawngrabber

Just wondering how often Ozbase gets updated - I see Doeberl 2010 but not 2011 for instance. Maybe this is something the ACF could get behind so it gets updated more regularly?

It gets updated at a glacial pace. Another fine example of the ACF having too many chiefs and not enough Indians left to actually get stuff done.

**pawngrabber** · 06-29-2011, 10:46 PM

Maybe we could have a section here where players/organizers add their games? How long does it take to upload some pgn files anyway? Personally I always put my games into my own db on the same day I play them.

**Just2Good** · 06-29-2011, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by pawngrabber

Maybe we could have a section here where players/organizers add their games? How long does it take to upload some pgn files anyway? Personally I always put my games into my own db on the same day I play them.

Its easy to add your pgn file to posts here. Great Idea as well. What should the new thread be called though?

**The Informer** · 06-30-2011, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Its easy to add your pgn file to posts here. Great Idea as well. What should the new thread be called though?

I suggest we call it; AXIOM.pgn files

In memory of Axiom.

1950-2011

**Firegoat7** · 06-30-2011, 09:27 PM

Hi,

The idea of a public accessible Ozchess database is a good thing. I guess the issue is the time of the organisers. Again, this ought to be one of the ACFs responsibility. It must be obvious to blind Freddy that the internet is the future of game collection and that the burden of co-ordinating logistical data collection ought to fall on the shoulders of the governing body. Is it any wonder that the ACF is unable to build the profile of chess in this country when it allows such important cultural artifacts as game collections to flounder. Keep working on your selection panels for the Olympiad Acf clownboots, keep reinventing the wheel and ignoring progress.

cheers,

**pawngrabber** · 07-01-2011, 12:41 AM

I saw someone at the recent Vic Open at Box Hill diligently entering the games onto a pc - does someone do this at all events? I can't see any reason why they couldn't be uploaded directly after the event, rather than wait several months for OzBase.

**Just2Good** · 07-01-2011, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by pawngrabber

Just wondering how often Ozbase gets updated - I see Doeberl 2010 but not 2011 for instance. Maybe this is something the ACF could get behind so it gets updated more regularly?

Your post has resulted in Dennis Jessop (ACF Vice President) getting upset with me!

Originally Posted by Dennis Jessop

The clowns, including the pig-ignorant usual suspects, making the posts over there clearly have no idea what Ozbase is or the incredible amount of work Paul Dunn, in consultation with others, puts in to its upkeep. People like Just2Good and the Goat are so stupid they don't know when to shut up.

DJ

Its so refreshing when I read posts by Dennis to look at this website from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare:

How Australia compares

For the record, I did offer to help Mr Dunn once, and he responded by saying he didn't want anyone apart from himself uploading games to OzBase.

**Amir Karibasic** · 07-01-2011, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Your post has resulted in Dennis Jessop (ACF Vice President) getting upset with me!

Code:

Originally Posted by Dennis Jessop The clowns, including the pig-ignorant usual suspects, making the posts over there clearly have no idea what Ozbase is or the incredible amount of work Paul Dunn, in consultation with others, puts in to its upkeep. People like Just2Good and the Goat are so stupid they don't know when to shut up. DJ

Its so refreshing when I read posts by Dennis to look at this website from the
Australian Institute of Health and Welfare:

How Australia
compares

For the record, I did offer to help Mr Dunn once, and he responded
by saying he didn't want anyone apart from himself uploading games to
OzBase.

Hopefully, Dennis is not the one of the Australian chess federation officials

.
The words he used for the description are too vulgar.

**Firegoat7** · 07-02-2011, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Amir Karibasic

Hopefully, Dennis is not the one of the Australian chess federation officials.
The words he used for the description are too vulgar.

It remains incredulous that people like Jessop and Bonham are allowed to represent the ACF in any official capacity when they continue to create such a negative public profile for the ACF. The ACF needs to employ a professional public relations manager to repair the damage these dodos deliver. It is simply not good enough that the peak chess body in the country allows these people to voice such negative opinions in response to the slightest criticism. They should be muzzled by the ACF immediately and never allowed to defend the ACF in any official capacity. It is beyond pathetic that ACF officials lack such personal control when conducting themselves on Public bulletin boards.

cheers,

Chess players are entitled to express opinions on public bulletin boards, even if other people don't agree with them. They are individual players and are only responsible for their own actions. ACF representatives, on the other hand, represent ALL registered Australian chess players. It is a farcical disgrace that representatives like Jessop and Bonham keep bullying people under the guise of defending the ACF from criticism. The ACF ought to muzzle these representatives as they appear incapable of representing the organisation in a positive way. Every time they open the mouths its another PR disaster for the ACF!

cheers,

**Just2Good** · 07-02-2011, 11:50 PM

Well, it seems after pulling a number of teeth, Dennis Jessop has finally admited the truth of the matter.

Originally Posted by Dennis Jessop

... Paul has made his position clear to me more than once in conversation. He regards Ozbase as his project, which it is, and I think realises the danger of chaos if others at random become involved.

So to the original poster, you have an answer to your query on why OzBase is updated so seldomly - because it is a one man show.

Perhaps now that Mr Jessop is retired, he could get off his backside and assist Mr Dunn in uploading pgn files to OzBase. However, the potential for chaos to ensue if anyone apart from Paul Dunn uploads the games may well preclude Dennis from getting involved.

**Firegoat7** · 07-03-2011, 02:48 PM

Well the attacks continue from our resident ACF Eggsperts!

Originally Posted by Bonham

This is hilarious; Denis and I defend Paul Dunn who is doing an excellent job from unintelligent abuse in the other place and what we get back from the frothgoatbot is this:

Obviously a complete lie. Nobody attacked Mr Dunn on Ozchess. Nobody abused Mr Dunn on Ozchess. Interesting, that Bonham and Jessop believe that they were defending Mr Dunns interests. Typical stuff from our two resident ACF clowns, paranoid about any criticism with a need to be BIG nanny State Police protection.

Originally Posted by Bonham

I mean, David Beaumont (firegoat7) could not be any more of a hypocritical self-caricature if he tried!
Attempting to create a negative public profile for the ACF has been one of his missions in life for most of the past decade at least.

Usual stuff of course, lets shoot the messenger! Of course Bonham and Jessop should fess up that neither of them is competent enough to conduct PR for the ACF. Unless of course you want the PR to be negative, then they are perfectly suited to interacting with the general chess playing public.

Originally Posted by Bonham

Let's put it this way: if the ACF was as obsessed about its image as firegoat's trolling assumes it should be, he would be banned from playing in any rated event for life for the crap he comes out with, and so would Sweeney and Foolsie.

How amusing. Clearly Bonham and Jessop have no clue. Imagine thinking that banning people who criticised the ACF would create a good image. I think its pretty obvious that when the ACF bans players it has failed. Imagine thinking that nobody else is allowed to be critical of the ACF. Sound like a police state mentality to me, where everybody avoids responsibility. Imagine thinking that a person should not be allowed to play a game of chess because their opinions are crap from your viewpoint! Does that sound like the view of a tolerant well managed PR representative? or a small minded ego maniac?

**Firegoat7** · 07-03-2011, 02:58 PM

and now for Jessops claptrap...

Originally Posted by Jessop

It's pretty amazing that the Boxing Goat sets himself up as an expert on public relations having fought at the Doeberl Cup among other things.

It would be pretty amazing if you could present an argument that was factual. Nowhere did I say ever that I was a PR expert. However, you are a PR disaster. there is a difference between the two viewpoints.

Of course, someone with good PR wouldn't rehash the Doeberl story 11 years after the event in a negative way. But hey, this is why you are so bad at ACF PR.

Originally Posted by Jessop

A deluded obsession about the ACF, an organisation about which none of them really has a clue, is of no interest but to the obsessed.

The ACF is a disaster when people like you defend its mediocre performances for the last 20 years. If you don't understand yet why some people in Victoria prefer Cordover over same old Gletsos, Bonahm and yourself then you remain completely deluded. So please take some free advice Deniss. Make the ACF a professional organisation, not an amateur circus run by incompetent clowns!

**pawngrabber** · 07-03-2011, 03:20 PM

Seems there's two kinds of people using db's, those using them like myself to prepare for opponents in tourneys, and those who for some mysterious reason are interested in telegraphic matches by nonentities from the 19th Century and similar ancient games. The first group is obviously much more interested in an up to date db than the second. Maybe the tourney regulars are already swapping db's amongst themselves?

Btw is Kevin Bonham the Tasmanian Snail Researcher I found when googling?

**Just2Good** · 07-04-2011, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by pawngrabber

Seems there's two kinds of people using db's, those using them like myself to prepare for opponents in tourneys, and those who for some mysterious reason are interested in telegraphic matches by nonentities from the 19th Century and similar ancient games. The first group is obviously much more interested in an up to date db than the second. Maybe the tourney regulars are already swapping db's amongst themselves?

Btw is Kevin Bonham the Tasmanian Snail Researcher I found when googling?

Yes, he did his PhD at the University of Tasmania and his thesis focussed on something to do with snails. Strange that no teaching positions opened up for him, but I guess not even the U of Tas wanted to offer a course called Snails 101.

06-28-2011, 03:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
pawngrabber Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 22	Ozbase updates? Just wondering how often Ozbase gets updated - I see Doeberl 2010 but not 2011 for instance. Maybe this is something the ACF could get behind so it gets updated more regularly?

06-28-2011, 05:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by pawngrabber Just wondering how often Ozbase gets updated - I see Doeberl 2010 but not 2011 for instance. Maybe this is something the ACF could get behind so it gets updated more regularly? It gets updated at a glacial pace. Another fine example of the ACF having too many chiefs and not enough Indians left to actually get stuff done. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

06-29-2011, 11:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by pawngrabber Maybe we could have a section here where players/organizers add their games? How long does it take to upload some pgn files anyway? Personally I always put my games into my own db on the same day I play them. Its easy to add your pgn file to posts here. Great Idea as well. What should the new thread be called though? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

06-30-2011, 06:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
The Informer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 23	Originally Posted by Just2Good Its easy to add your pgn file to posts here. Great Idea as well. What should the new thread be called though? I suggest we call it; AXIOM.pgn files In memory of Axiom. 1950-2011

06-30-2011, 09:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Hi, The idea of a public accessible Ozchess database is a good thing. I guess the issue is the time of the organisers. Again, this ought to be one of the ACFs responsibility. It must be obvious to blind Freddy that the internet is the future of game collection and that the burden of co-ordinating logistical data collection ought to fall on the shoulders of the governing body. Is it any wonder that the ACF is unable to build the profile of chess in this country when it allows such important cultural artifacts as game collections to flounder. Keep working on your selection panels for the Olympiad Acf clownboots, keep reinventing the wheel and ignoring progress. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

06-29-2011, 10:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
pawngrabber Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 22	Maybe we could have a section here where players/organizers add their games? How long does it take to upload some pgn files anyway? Personally I always put my games into my own db on the same day I play them.

07-01-2011, 12:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
pawngrabber Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 22	I saw someone at the recent Vic Open at Box Hill diligently entering the games onto a pc - does someone do this at all events? I can't see any reason why they couldn't be uploaded directly after the event, rather than wait several months for OzBase.

07-01-2011, 07:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Realities of Life & Death Originally Posted by pawngrabber Just wondering how often Ozbase gets updated - I see Doeberl 2010 but not 2011 for instance. Maybe this is something the ACF could get behind so it gets updated more regularly? Your post has resulted in Dennis Jessop (ACF Vice President) getting upset with me! Originally Posted by Dennis Jessop The clowns, including the pig-ignorant usual suspects, making the posts over there clearly have no idea what Ozbase is or the incredible amount of work Paul Dunn, in consultation with others, puts in to its upkeep. People like Just2Good and the Goat are so stupid they don't know when to shut up. DJ Its so refreshing when I read posts by Dennis to look at this website from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare: How Australia compares For the record, I did offer to help Mr Dunn once, and he responded by saying he didn't want anyone apart from himself uploading games to OzBase. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-01-2011, 08:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
Amir Karibasic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 194	Originally Posted by Just2Good Your post has resulted in Dennis Jessop (ACF Vice President) getting upset with me! Code: Originally Posted by Dennis Jessop The clowns, including the pig-ignorant usual suspects, making the posts over there clearly have no idea what Ozbase is or the incredible amount of work Paul Dunn, in consultation with others, puts in to its upkeep. People like Just2Good and the Goat are so stupid they don't know when to shut up. DJ Its so refreshing when I read posts by Dennis to look at this website from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare: How Australia compares For the record, I did offer to help Mr Dunn once, and he responded by saying he didn't want anyone apart from himself uploading games to OzBase. *Hopefully, Dennis is not the one of the Australian chess federation officials. The words he used for the description are too vulgar*. __________________ . Visit my chess shop!

07-02-2011, 11:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Amir Karibasic *Hopefully, Dennis is not the one of the Australian chess federation officials. The words he used for the description are too vulgar*. It remains incredulous that people like Jessop and Bonham are allowed to represent the ACF in any official capacity when they continue to create such a negative public profile for the ACF. The ACF needs to employ a professional public relations manager to repair the damage these dodos deliver. It is simply not good enough that the peak chess body in the country allows these people to voice such negative opinions in response to the slightest criticism. They should be muzzled by the ACF immediately and never allowed to defend the ACF in any official capacity. It is beyond pathetic that ACF officials lack such personal control when conducting themselves on Public bulletin boards. cheers, Chess players are entitled to express opinions on public bulletin boards, even if other people don't agree with them. They are individual players and are only responsible for their own actions. ACF representatives, on the other hand, represent ALL registered Australian chess players. It is a farcical disgrace that representatives like Jessop and Bonham keep bullying people under the guise of defending the ACF from criticism. The ACF ought to muzzle these representatives as they appear incapable of representing the organisation in a positive way. Every time they open the mouths its another PR disaster for the ACF! cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-02-2011, 11:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Well, it seems after pulling a number of teeth, Dennis Jessop has finally admited the truth of the matter. Originally Posted by Dennis Jessop ... Paul has made his position clear to me more than once in conversation. He regards Ozbase as his project, which it is, and I think realises the danger of chaos if others at random become involved. So to the original poster, you have an answer to your query on why OzBase is updated so seldomly - because it is a one man show. Perhaps now that Mr Jessop is retired, he could get off his backside and assist Mr Dunn in uploading pgn files to OzBase. However, the potential for chaos to ensue if anyone apart from Paul Dunn uploads the games may well preclude Dennis from getting involved. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-03-2011, 02:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Well the attacks continue from our resident ACF Eggsperts! Originally Posted by Bonham This is hilarious; Denis and I defend Paul Dunn who is doing an excellent job from unintelligent abuse in the other place and what we get back from the frothgoatbot is this: Obviously a complete lie. Nobody attacked Mr Dunn on Ozchess. Nobody abused Mr Dunn on Ozchess. Interesting, that Bonham and Jessop believe that they were defending Mr Dunns interests. Typical stuff from our two resident ACF clowns, paranoid about any criticism with a need to be BIG nanny State Police protection. Originally Posted by Bonham I mean, David Beaumont (firegoat7) could not be any more of a hypocritical self-caricature if he tried! Attempting to create a negative public profile for the ACF has been one of his missions in life for most of the past decade at least. Usual stuff of course, lets shoot the messenger! Of course Bonham and Jessop should fess up that neither of them is competent enough to conduct PR for the ACF. Unless of course you want the PR to be negative, then they are perfectly suited to interacting with the general chess playing public. Originally Posted by Bonham Let's put it this way: if the ACF was as obsessed about its image as firegoat's trolling assumes it should be, he would be banned from playing in any rated event for life for the crap he comes out with, and so would Sweeney and Foolsie. How amusing. Clearly Bonham and Jessop have no clue. Imagine thinking that banning people who criticised the ACF would create a good image. I think its pretty obvious that when the ACF bans players it has failed. Imagine thinking that nobody else is allowed to be critical of the ACF. Sound like a police state mentality to me, where everybody avoids responsibility. Imagine thinking that a person should not be allowed to play a game of chess because their opinions are crap from your viewpoint! Does that sound like the view of a tolerant well managed PR representative? or a small minded ego maniac? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-03-2011, 02:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	and now for Jessops claptrap... Originally Posted by Jessop It's pretty amazing that the Boxing Goat sets himself up as an expert on public relations having fought at the Doeberl Cup among other things. It would be pretty amazing if you could present an argument that was factual. Nowhere did I say ever that I was a PR expert. However, you are a PR disaster. there is a difference between the two viewpoints. Of course, someone with good PR wouldn't rehash the Doeberl story 11 years after the event in a negative way. But hey, this is why you are so bad at ACF PR. Originally Posted by Jessop A deluded obsession about the ACF, an organisation about which none of them really has a clue, is of no interest but to the obsessed. The ACF is a disaster when people like you defend its mediocre performances for the last 20 years. If you don't understand yet why some people in Victoria prefer Cordover over same old Gletsos, Bonahm and yourself then you remain completely deluded. So please take some free advice Deniss. Make the ACF a professional organisation, not an amateur circus run by incompetent clowns! __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-03-2011, 03:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
pawngrabber Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 22	Seems there's two kinds of people using db's, those using them like myself to prepare for opponents in tourneys, and those who for some mysterious reason are interested in telegraphic matches by nonentities from the 19th Century and similar ancient games. The first group is obviously much more interested in an up to date db than the second. Maybe the tourney regulars are already swapping db's amongst themselves? Btw is Kevin Bonham the Tasmanian Snail Researcher I found when googling? Last edited by pawngrabber : 07-03-2011 at 03:35 PM

07-04-2011, 04:15 AM	#15 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by pawngrabber Seems there's two kinds of people using db's, those using them like myself to prepare for opponents in tourneys, and those who for some mysterious reason are interested in telegraphic matches by nonentities from the 19th Century and similar ancient games. The first group is obviously much more interested in an up to date db than the second. Maybe the tourney regulars are already swapping db's amongst themselves? Btw is Kevin Bonham the Tasmanian Snail Researcher I found when googling? Yes, he did his PhD at the University of Tasmania and his thesis focussed on something to do with snails. Strange that no teaching positions opened up for him, but I guess not even the U of Tas wanted to offer a course called Snails 101. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

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