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**Firegoat7** · 07-05-2011, 10:08 PM

Hi,

As per usual, Bonham has responded to criticism of something to do with Australian chess (in the case Ozbase updates) made on this Bulletin board, Ozchess, over on Chesschat. In doing so he continues a tradition instigated by himself, where he uses "the official/unofficial ACF bulletin board" to defend any perceived slight on the ACF. I will let the good readers of Ozchess draw their own conclusions about the rationality of Bonhams behaviour. It is worth mentioning ,yet again, how cowardly these attacks are in character, as Alex and myself do not post on Chesschat because of previous bans on the site.

DISCLAIMER: I will repeat the statement, In regards to ACF representation Kevin Bonham is a public relations disaster, who should not be allowed to represent the ACF in the virtual media.

Anyways....here is his latest offering

Originally Posted by Bonham on Chesschat

More disinformation from frothgoat:

Quote:
Obviously a complete lie. Nobody attacked Mr Dunn on *******. Nobody abused Mr Dunn on *******.

When what I actually wrote was:

Quote:
Denis and I defend Paul Dunn who is doing an excellent job from unintelligent abuse

What I was referring to is unintelligent abuse that reflects badly on the officebearer, whether it is explicitly directed at him or not. Examples included "It gets updated at a glacial pace." (Just2Good), implying that the officebearer is not working fast enough without much understanding of the site's actual purpose, and "it allows such important cultural artifacts as game collections to flounder" (firegoat) implying that the officebearer is allowing the collection to flounder and the ACF is doing nothing about it. While much of the surrounding abuse was directed at the ACF, the premise of all the abuse was that the officebearer was doing something wrong and the ACF needed to do something about it.

So lets put the claims in context.

Bonham has publicly stated these statements as facts

1. ...More disinformation from frothgoat:
2. ...unintelligent abuse that reflects badly on the officebearer
3. ...without much understanding of the site's actual purpose
4. ...implying that the officebearer is allowing the collection to flounder
5. ...the premise of all the abuse was that the officebearer was doing something wrong and the ACF needed to do something about it.

Now before I pass any sort of comment on Bonhams PR skills, may I ask the good readers of Ozhess to quickly view the Ozbase site which is linked to the ACF webpage here. Archives

...and form your own opinion.

Hopefully the good readers of Ozchess have found the material interesting to view.

So, back to Bonham (and Jessops) lack of PR. Here I have only one question for the good readers of Ozchess...

Dear Ozchess reader, In your opinion....
Would an adept professional media PR consultant, adopt such aggressive language and defensive posturing, as undertaken by Bonham and Jessop, to portray a representation of the ACF about Ozbase?

I think we all know what the answer would be...

**Just2Good** · 07-06-2011, 04:04 PM

It seems Kevin is claiming that someone on OzChess was being critical of Paul Dunn who handles the OzBase site. This is false as neither I nor anyone else raised Paul's name and it was in fact first raised on Chess Chat

Originally Posted by Kevin

Examples included "It gets updated at a glacial pace." (Just2Good), implying that the officebearer is not working fast enough without much understanding of the site's actual purpose,

This is obviously false as I did not even know Paul was/is on the ACF, let alone an officebearer.

Kevin then goes on about how my ban on CC is supposedly justified. Apparently defending yourself against other members attacking you in Kevin's world is called defamation. Too bad he doesn't know the first thing about the subject, or multiple other subjects for that matter. He also neglects to mention that I appealed his ban to the site owner successfully.

But even if the ban were to be dropped, I would not post on Chess Chat. Being banned from the sewer was actually quite liberating.

**Just2Good** · 07-06-2011, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

There was no such phone call and indeed I have never even asked STML for his phone number. We have always communicated by text of some form or other.

Then how did I get his phone number to give him a call?

This is at least the second time AO has tried to debate defo with me and shown little sign of being able to debate the issue effectively, even though he is involved in the legal profession and I am not!

I haven't practised law in years, and in fact not even resided in Australia for years. So how I am "involved" in the legal profession is a mystery to me.

Or is this more of Kevin's talking nonsense on the fly?

**The Raven** · 07-06-2011, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

I would not post on Chess Chat. Being banned from the sewer was actually quite liberating.

**Just2Good** · 07-06-2011, 08:15 PM

... as the PM I linked to above shows, I would actually have been content with just suspending you again and was checking with STML that even that was OK with him in the circumstance.

Hang on.

Are you admitting that you felt slighted by STML unbanning me after you had banned me? Is that what this is about?

I don't know for sure what transpired between you and Skip. I do know when I talked to him, while he didn't specifically say it, I got the impression you had split the dummy to force his hand.

In any event, it is common territory agreed between both of us that you contacted (pestered) STML after he had unbanned me, meaning you were dissatisfied he had ruled in my favour.

**Just2Good** · 07-06-2011, 08:55 PM

Obviously you are an ungrateful individual because instead of thanking me for this all you have done is misrepresent, fabricate and troll.

I thought I already did thank you, by saying I felt liberated from the sewer when I was permanently banned. While you didn't think you were doing me a favour at the time, ultimately you did.

And it led to the creation of a better chess forum for Australia, one named OzChess.

And despite your best efforts, it has a sizeable number of posters who wish to post here rather than on CC. There are many reasons for this.

But you did state something along the lines of "if we reached 10% of CC's posting numbers you will eat your hat". We are at least double that, and your hat remains uneaten.

**Amir Karibasic** · 07-07-2011, 06:49 AM

Hi to Ozbase,
My name is Amir Karibasic.
Sice 2007 I have organised many tournaments on the Gold Coast but I never heard about you.
Finally, I heard about Ozbase at Ozchessforum.
If you wish to add more pgn games please let me know.
Instead of waiting on the pgn files to be sent to you perhaps is better to ask the organisers to send the pgn files to you.
Also, would be good to separate the pgn files on the federations for a better view.

07-05-2011, 10:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	We know the answer and there is an obvious solution. Hi, As per usual, Bonham has responded to criticism of something to do with Australian chess (in the case Ozbase updates) made on this Bulletin board, Ozchess, over on Chesschat. In doing so he continues a tradition instigated by himself, where he uses "the official/unofficial ACF bulletin board" to defend any perceived slight on the ACF. I will let the good readers of Ozchess draw their own conclusions about the rationality of Bonhams behaviour. It is worth mentioning ,yet again, how cowardly these attacks are in character, as Alex and myself do not post on Chesschat because of previous bans on the site. DISCLAIMER: I will repeat the statement, In regards to ACF representation Kevin Bonham is a public relations disaster, who should not be allowed to represent the ACF in the virtual media. Anyways....here is his latest offering Originally Posted by Bonham on Chesschat More disinformation from frothgoat: Quote: Obviously a complete lie. Nobody attacked Mr Dunn on *****. Nobody abused Mr Dunn on ****. When what I actually wrote was: Quote: Denis and I defend Paul Dunn who is doing an excellent job from unintelligent abuse What I was referring to is unintelligent abuse that reflects badly on the officebearer, whether it is explicitly directed at him or not. Examples included "It gets updated at a glacial pace." (Just2Good), implying that the officebearer is not working fast enough without much understanding of the site's actual purpose, and "it allows such important cultural artifacts as game collections to flounder" (firegoat) implying that the officebearer is allowing the collection to flounder and the ACF is doing nothing about it. While much of the surrounding abuse was directed at the ACF, the premise of all the abuse was that the officebearer was doing something wrong and the ACF needed to do something about it. So lets put the claims in context. Bonham has publicly stated these statements as facts 1. ...More disinformation from frothgoat:* 2. ...unintelligent abuse that reflects badly on the officebearer 3. ...without much understanding of the site's actual purpose 4. ...implying that the officebearer is allowing the collection to flounder 5. ...the premise of all the abuse was that the officebearer was doing something wrong and the ACF needed to do something about it. Now before I pass any sort of comment on Bonhams PR skills, may I ask the good readers of Ozhess to quickly view the Ozbase site which is linked to the ACF webpage here. Archives ...and form your own opinion. Hopefully the good readers of Ozchess have found the material interesting to view. So, back to Bonham (and Jessops) lack of PR. Here I have only one question for the good readers of Ozchess... Dear Ozchess reader, In your opinion.... Would an adept professional media PR consultant, adopt such aggressive language and defensive posturing, as undertaken by Bonham and Jessop, to portray a representation of the ACF about Ozbase? I think we all know what the answer would be... __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-06-2011, 04:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	It seems Kevin is claiming that someone on OzChess was being critical of Paul Dunn who handles the OzBase site. This is false as neither I nor anyone else raised Paul's name and it was in fact first raised on Chess Chat Originally Posted by Kevin Examples included "It gets updated at a glacial pace." (Just2Good), implying that the officebearer is not working fast enough without much understanding of the site's actual purpose, This is obviously false as I did not even know Paul was/is on the ACF, let alone an officebearer. Kevin then goes on about how my ban on CC is supposedly justified. Apparently defending yourself against other members attacking you in Kevin's world is called defamation. Too bad he doesn't know the first thing about the subject, or multiple other subjects for that matter. He also neglects to mention that I appealed his ban to the site owner successfully. But even if the ban were to be dropped, I would not post on Chess Chat. Being banned from the sewer was actually quite liberating. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~ Last edited by Jaydon : 07-11-2011 at 06:51 PM

07-06-2011, 07:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Kevin There was no such phone call and indeed I have never even asked STML for his phone number. We have always communicated by text of some form or other. Then how did I get his phone number to give him a call? This is at least the second time AO has tried to debate defo with me and shown little sign of being able to debate the issue effectively, even though he is involved in the legal profession and I am not! I haven't practised law in years, and in fact not even resided in Australia for years. So how I am "involved" in the legal profession is a mystery to me. Or is this more of Kevin's talking nonsense on the fly? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-06-2011, 07:44 PM	#19 (permalink)
The Raven Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 54	Originally Posted by Just2Good I would not post on Chess Chat. Being banned from the sewer was actually quite liberating.

07-06-2011, 08:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	... as the PM I linked to above shows, I would actually have been content with just suspending you again and was checking with STML that even that was OK with him in the circumstance. Hang on. Are you admitting that you felt slighted by STML unbanning me after you had banned me? Is that what this is about? I don't know for sure what transpired between you and Skip. I do know when I talked to him, while he didn't specifically say it, I got the impression you had split the dummy to force his hand. In any event, it is common territory agreed between both of us that you contacted (pestered) STML after he had unbanned me, meaning you were dissatisfied he had ruled in my favour. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-06-2011, 08:55 PM	#21 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Obviously you are an ungrateful individual because instead of thanking me for this all you have done is misrepresent, fabricate and troll. I thought I already did thank you, by saying I felt liberated from the sewer when I was permanently banned. While you didn't think you were doing me a favour at the time, ultimately you did. And it led to the creation of a better chess forum for Australia, one named OzChess. And despite your best efforts, it has a sizeable number of posters who wish to post here rather than on CC. There are many reasons for this. But you did state something along the lines of "if we reached 10% of CC's posting numbers you will eat your hat". We are at least double that, and your hat remains uneaten. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-07-2011, 06:49 AM	#22 (permalink)
Amir Karibasic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 194	Hi to Ozbase, My name is Amir Karibasic. Sice 2007 I have organised many tournaments on the Gold Coast but I never heard about you. Finally, I heard about Ozbase at Ozchessforum. If you wish to add more pgn games please let me know. Instead of waiting on the pgn files to be sent to you perhaps is better to ask the organisers to send the pgn files to you. Also, would be good to separate the pgn files on the federations for a better view. __________________ . Visit my chess shop! Last edited by Amir Karibasic : 07-07-2011 at 03:59 PM

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