Seek and Destroy - OzChess

**Firegoat7** · 07-28-2010, 09:41 PM

Hi,

This thread is only for players on ICC. Do not post here unless you are playing on there. The idea is to establish an intelligence list on the players because lets face it, most of us real chess players are sick and death of cheats.

we have 5 categories

1-Confirmed Human- Plays OTB chess is known to be this strength
2-Probably Human- Plays like a human being, but no confirmed OTB sighting.
3-Unclassified- Do not have enough information to even estimate a guess
4-Suspected Bot- In this one game this player had Bot like tendencies.
5-Confirmed Bot- We have ample evidence to prove this player is a bot.

Hopefully everyone gets the idea. Don't be afraid to make mistakes and admit errors. Over time this ought to be a good resource.

Suggestions?

cheers,

**Firegoat7** · 07-28-2010, 09:46 PM

Kokosnotteliten (1911) 5 0 - 2-Probably Human
Gamen10 (1907) 5 0- 4 Suspected Bot
raooel (1852) 5 0 -3 Unclassified
gogetlost (1753) 5 0 -2-Probably Human
diffron (2013) 5 0 -Suspected Bot
Karla (1835) 5 0 -Unclassified

**Just2Good** · 07-28-2010, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Kokosnotteliten (1911) 5 0 - 2-Probably Human
Gamen10 (1907) 5 0- 4 Suspected Bot
raooel (1852) 5 0 -3 Unclassified
gogetlost (1753) 5 0 -2-Probably Human
diffron (2013) 5 0 -Suspected Bot
Karla (1835) 5 0 -Unclassified

What if you are like Axiom and you have a chip inserted in your head (by no fault of your own of course)? Does this make you a human, or a computer?

Spoiler for How to Avoid ICC Computer Cheats:

**Firegoat7** · 07-28-2010, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

What if you are like Axiom and you have a chip inserted in your head (by no fault of your own of course)? Does this make you a human, or a computer?

**Firegoat7** · 07-28-2010, 11:37 PM

Twix 2-probably human
goldenrule-4-suspected bot
Karla 3-unclassified
satmoman 4-suspected bot
campai- 3-unclassified
superpuma- 4 suspected bot
CaptPicard -3 unclassified
bshoha-2 probably human
nb- 3-unclassified

cheers,

**Axiom** · 07-29-2010, 12:04 AM

**Firegoat7** · 07-29-2010, 02:34 AM

Chessklok-3-unclassified
belianbeer-2-probably human
smirbeer-3-unclassified
uranuus-2-probably human
colle-3-unclasified
izik1-4-suspect bot
TSH8515-unclassified
deEccher-2-Probably human
fip-2-probably human
Opiuchus-5-confirmed bot

cheers,

**Firegoat7** · 07-29-2010, 02:50 PM

Hi,

arcise 2-probably human
flawless15-4-suspected bot
toothfairy- 2probably human
osprey-1-confirmed human
Dinomite-4-suspected bot
Evilsamurai-3-unclassified
TSH8515-2-probably human

Ok. So as you can see. Some of these players I have played twice. I reckon the basic idea is that players should publish there impressions of the games they play. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. Over time certain patterns will become self evident. I really do implore others to post there opinions of the player group on ICC. After you finish a session type in 'history' and reflect on your opponents play then publish those reflections here.

cheers,

**Just2Good** · 07-29-2010, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

arcise 2-probably human
flawless15-4-suspected bot

I'll go on ICC right now to try to confirm some of these cheats Firegoat7!

**Just2Good** · 07-29-2010, 03:57 PM

I have just done a thorough examination of flawless15, both watching his games and playing him myself. Based on my examination I confirm that he is 100% not a computer cheat.

**Firegoat7** · 07-29-2010, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

I have just done a thorough examination of flawless15, both watching his games and playing him myself. Based on my examination I confirm that he is 100% not a computer cheat.

J2G,

With due respect. May I point out that even if you are 100% sure of your analysis this is not the point of the thread. You will notice that players who are classified as 1-confirmed human are known over the board players. A player who is 2-probably human is NOTconfirmed as an over the board player. That is they are probably human based on their play online.

So now we have our first player with 2 socio/cultural contacts which is important.

flawless15 (4-Fg7) + (2?-J2G). We now have more evidence on this player.
Current trend: tending more towards being a human being
Overall Trend: The jury is still not convinced.

Now if someone else plays this player and then publishes a quick rating of there play then eventually, given enough information, the evidence will be overwhelming.
Furthermore, if I play this opponent again my next assessment might be completely different, which will help us to gain a more accurate picture over time.

cheers,

**Just2Good** · 07-29-2010, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

J2G,

With due respect. May I point out that even if you are 100% sure of your analysis this is not the point of the thread. You will notice that players who are classified as 1-confirmed human are known over the board players. A player who is 2-probably human is NOTconfirmed as an over the board player. That is they are probably human based on their play online.

So now we have our first player with 2 socio/cultural contacts which is important.

flawless15 (4-Fg7) + (2?-J2G). We now have more evidence on this player.
Current trend: tending more towards being a human being
Overall Trend: The jury is still not convinced.

Now if someone else plays this player and then publishes a quick rating of there play then eventually, given enough information, the evidence will be overwhelming.
Furthermore, if I play this opponent again my next assessment might be completely different, which will help us to gain a more accurate picture over time.

cheers,

Ah, but I also said a few things to this player and provoked him into playing me (he didn't want to because he was rated over 100 points higher than me). You can't provoke a computer.

**Firegoat7** · 07-30-2010, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Ah, but I also said a few things to this player and provoked him into playing me (he didn't want to because he was rated over 100 points higher than me). You can't provoke a computer.

Nice work

**Firegoat7** · 07-30-2010, 01:37 PM

Jungleman 3-unclassified
SWAT-TEAM 2-suspected bot
fueguino -2-probably human
dogfodder- 3-unclassified

**Just2Good** · 07-30-2010, 01:40 PM

I will go after a few more of these suspected bots when time permits.

07-28-2010, 09:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Seek and Destroy Hi, This thread is only for players on ICC. Do not post here unless you are playing on there. The idea is to establish an intelligence list on the players because lets face it, most of us real chess players are sick and death of cheats. we have 5 categories 1-Confirmed Human- Plays OTB chess is known to be this strength 2-Probably Human- Plays like a human being, but no confirmed OTB sighting. 3-Unclassified- Do not have enough information to even estimate a guess 4-Suspected Bot- In this one game this player had Bot like tendencies. 5-Confirmed Bot- We have ample evidence to prove this player is a bot. Hopefully everyone gets the idea. Don't be afraid to make mistakes and admit errors. Over time this ought to be a good resource. Suggestions? cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-28-2010, 09:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Kokosnotteliten (1911) 5 0 - 2-Probably Human Gamen10 (1907) 5 0- 4 Suspected Bot raooel (1852) 5 0 -3 Unclassified gogetlost (1753) 5 0 -2-Probably Human diffron (2013) 5 0 -Suspected Bot Karla (1835) 5 0 -Unclassified __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-28-2010, 10:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	ICC Computer Cheats Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Kokosnotteliten (1911) 5 0 - 2-Probably Human Gamen10 (1907) 5 0- 4 Suspected Bot raooel (1852) 5 0 -3 Unclassified gogetlost (1753) 5 0 -2-Probably Human diffron (2013) 5 0 -Suspected Bot Karla (1835) 5 0 -Unclassified What if you are like Axiom and you have a chip inserted in your head (by no fault of your own of course)? Does this make you a human, or a computer? Spoiler for How to Avoid ICC Computer Cheats: Just play at the 3 0 time control, that won't allow a human enough time to transplant the computer's moves into their own game - hence they cannot cheat as easily, if at all. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-28-2010, 11:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Just2Good What if you are like Axiom and you have a chip inserted in your head (by no fault of your own of course)? Does this make you a human, or a computer? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-28-2010, 11:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Twix 2-probably human goldenrule-4-suspected bot Karla 3-unclassified satmoman 4-suspected bot campai- 3-unclassified superpuma- 4 suspected bot CaptPicard -3 unclassified bshoha-2 probably human nb- 3-unclassified cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic Last edited by Firegoat7 : 07-29-2010 at 12:49 AM

07-29-2010, 12:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	__________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

07-29-2010, 02:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Chessklok-3-unclassified belianbeer-2-probably human smirbeer-3-unclassified uranuus-2-probably human colle-3-unclasified izik1-4-suspect bot TSH8515-unclassified deEccher-2-Probably human fip-2-probably human Opiuchus-5-confirmed bot cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic Last edited by Firegoat7 : 07-29-2010 at 03:27 AM

07-29-2010, 02:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Hi, arcise 2-probably human flawless15-4-suspected bot toothfairy- 2probably human osprey-1-confirmed human Dinomite-4-suspected bot Evilsamurai-3-unclassified TSH8515-2-probably human Ok. So as you can see. Some of these players I have played twice. I reckon the basic idea is that players should publish there impressions of the games they play. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. Over time certain patterns will become self evident. I really do implore others to post there opinions of the player group on ICC. After you finish a session type in 'history' and reflect on your opponents play then publish those reflections here. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic Last edited by Firegoat7 : 07-29-2010 at 03:56 PM

07-29-2010, 03:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 arcise 2-probably human flawless15-4-suspected bot I'll go on ICC right now to try to confirm some of these cheats Firegoat7! __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-29-2010, 03:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	I have just done a thorough examination of flawless15, both watching his games and playing him myself. Based on my examination I confirm that he is 100% not a computer cheat. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-29-2010, 04:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Just2Good I have just done a thorough examination of flawless15, both watching his games and playing him myself. Based on my examination I confirm that he is 100% not a computer cheat. J2G, With due respect. May I point out that even if you are 100% sure of your analysis this is not the point of the thread. You will notice that players who are classified as 1-confirmed human are known over the board players. A player who is 2-probably human is NOTconfirmed as an over the board player. That is they are probably human based on their play online. So now we have our first player with 2 socio/cultural contacts which is important. flawless15 (4-Fg7) + (2?-J2G). We now have more evidence on this player. Current trend: tending more towards being a human being Overall Trend: The jury is still not convinced. Now if someone else plays this player and then publishes a quick rating of there play then eventually, given enough information, the evidence will be overwhelming. Furthermore, if I play this opponent again my next assessment might be completely different, which will help us to gain a more accurate picture over time. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-29-2010, 09:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Probably Human Is Good Enough 4 Me :) Originally Posted by Firegoat7 J2G, With due respect. May I point out that even if you are 100% sure of your analysis this is not the point of the thread. You will notice that players who are classified as 1-confirmed human are known over the board players. A player who is 2-probably human is NOTconfirmed as an over the board player. That is they are probably human based on their play online. So now we have our first player with 2 socio/cultural contacts which is important. flawless15 (4-Fg7) + (2?-J2G). We now have more evidence on this player. Current trend: tending more towards being a human being Overall Trend: The jury is still not convinced. Now if someone else plays this player and then publishes a quick rating of there play then eventually, given enough information, the evidence will be overwhelming. Furthermore, if I play this opponent again my next assessment might be completely different, which will help us to gain a more accurate picture over time. cheers, Ah, but I also said a few things to this player and provoked him into playing me (he didn't want to because he was rated over 100 points higher than me). You can't provoke a computer. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-30-2010, 01:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Just2Good Ah, but I also said a few things to this player and provoked him into playing me (he didn't want to because he was rated over 100 points higher than me). You can't provoke a computer. Nice work __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-30-2010, 01:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Jungleman 3-unclassified SWAT-TEAM 2-suspected bot fueguino -2-probably human dogfodder- 3-unclassified __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic Last edited by Firegoat7 : 07-31-2010 at 12:52 AM

07-30-2010, 01:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	I will go after a few more of these suspected bots when time permits. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

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