Touch Piece Rule - OzChess

**Chessic-Adventures** · 07-02-2008, 08:20 PM

I am playing the first round game a couple weeks ago and my opponent continuously touches the pieces he intends to move then says adjust. I think this is an abuse of the adjust rule. He actually adjusted the same piece twice on the same turn. Now I am not experienced enough to know how the rule works exactly, but he would say adjust at the same moment he touched the piece.

The only pieces he was adjusting were his own pieces. They are also pieces that he placed on the squares himself. From what I could see there was no reason to adjust. Isn't chess supposed to be touch move? I was tempted to say something during the game but I did not want to make a spectacle.

07-02-2008, 08:45 PM

He should clearly say he is adjusting before he adjusts each piece. If he doesn't he leaves himself open to a touchmove claim. Also, unnecessarily adjusting pieces too often is a form of distraction and is illegal.

**Gumshoe Mystery** · 07-29-2008, 07:48 AM

It sounds like an abuse of the rule. He should have said "adjust" before touching the piece to begin with to clarify.

**Iconoclast** · 07-29-2008, 05:23 PM

Smile sweetly and say, "You know, I think the pieces are pretty well centred on their squares, and probably don't need adjusting."

A little tact and nothing more needs to happen.

**Gumshoe Mystery** · 07-30-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Smile sweetly and say, "You know, I think the pieces are pretty well centred on their squares, and probably don't need adjusting."

A little tact and nothing more needs to happen.

You could also combine that with a quick glance that basically says "Don't do it again" as well, lol.

**Fischer-Fan** · 08-09-2008, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

I am playing the first round game a couple weeks ago and my opponent continuously touches the pieces he intends to move then says adjust. I think this is an abuse of the adjust rule. He actually adjusted the same piece twice on the same turn. Now I am not experienced enough to know how the rule works exactly, but he would say adjust at the same moment he touched the piece.

The only pieces he was adjusting were his own pieces. They are also pieces that he placed on the squares himself. From what I could see there was no reason to adjust. Isn't chess supposed to be touch move? I was tempted to say something during the game but I did not want to make a spectacle.

are you allowed to adjust a piece if it is not your turn? i don't think id care if he adjusted his pieces on his own time though.

**LMatheson** · 08-10-2008, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Fischer-Fan

are you allowed to adjust a piece if it is not your turn? i don't think id care if he adjusted his pieces on his own time though.

No you are not. It is considered very distracting if you adjust you pieces in your opponents time.

**LMatheson** · 08-10-2008, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

I am playing the first round game a couple weeks ago and my opponent continuously touches the pieces he intends to move then says adjust. I think this is an abuse of the adjust rule. He actually adjusted the same piece twice on the same turn. Now I am not experienced enough to know how the rule works exactly, but he would say adjust at the same moment he touched the piece.

The only pieces he was adjusting were his own pieces. They are also pieces that he placed on the squares himself. From what I could see there was no reason to adjust. Isn't chess supposed to be touch move? I was tempted to say something during the game but I did not want to make a spectacle.

You should just call over the arbiter and tell him that your opponent keeps touching his pieces before he says adjust, therefore it should be touch move. I usually try to tell my opponent first before calling over the arbiter but if that doesn't work then just call the arbiter. It is definately NOT allowed.

**Chessic-Adventures** · 08-10-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by LMatheson

You should just call over the arbiter and tell him that your opponent keeps touching his pieces before he says adjust, therefore it should be touch move. I usually try to tell my opponent first before calling over the arbiter but if that doesn't work then just call the arbiter. It is definately NOT allowed.

Yeah but then he is going to say that he is allowed to adjust his pieces on his own time, and then the arbiter might agree with him and then I would look like a foolish beginner making a scene when I shouldn't be, and then no one would like me.

**LMatheson** · 08-11-2008, 08:18 AM

If the arbiter doesn't comply then just play on like a normal game. If may also have an effect on your opponent.

**YumYum** · 08-11-2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by LMatheson

If the arbiter doesn't comply then just play on like a normal game. If may also have an effect on your opponent.

You have a good point. Usually calling the arbiter over has a psychological effect on both players. I once had my opponent call the arbiter over on me in an equal position. The arbiter didn't agree with my opponent and sided with me. Even though the position was completely equal, the arbiter ruling completely demoralised my opponent and he lost the game because of bad play which was probably the result of the arbiters ruling against him.

**Chessic-Adventures** · 08-12-2008, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by YumYum

You have a good point. Usually calling the arbiter over has a psychological effect on both players. I once had my opponent call the arbiter over on me in an equal position. The arbiter didn't agree with my opponent and sided with me. Even though the position was completely equal, the arbiter ruling completely demoralised my opponent and he lost the game because of bad play which was probably the result of the arbiters ruling against him.

How do you know your opponent just didn't screw up. What makes you think the ruling demoralised your opponent. Just because you won?

**Gumshoe Mystery** · 08-15-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

How do you know your opponent just didn't screw up. What makes you think the ruling demoralised your opponent. Just because you won?

Yeah, I agree. It sounds more like a loss on concentration due to the arbiter disrupting the flow of the game than anything else. But on the other hand I wasn't there so I cant really say for sure, maybe Yum Yum has it right.

**Talkerbot** · 07-16-2010, 03:10 PM

The touch-move rule in chess was that if a player deliberately touching a piece on the board when it is his turn to play, then he must move or capture that piece if it is legal to the rules of chess so.The rules for games played by chess.If you touch a piece, and there is no legal move of this piece, please make a move.If legal, you will notice that an illegal move is made you must restore the position before the illegal move.

**Just2Good** · 07-16-2010, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by lymecaroline

The touch-move rule in chess was that if a player deliberately touching a piece on the board when it is his turn to play, then he must move or capture that piece if it is legal to the rules of chess so.The rules for games played by chess.If you touch a piece, and there is no legal move of this piece, please make a move.If legal, you will notice that an illegal move is made you must restore the position before the illegal move.

Well said Talkerbot!

You are starting to make yourself worthwhile around here, great job!

07-02-2008, 08:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 214	Touch Piece Rule I am playing the first round game a couple weeks ago and my opponent continuously touches the pieces he intends to move then says adjust. I think this is an abuse of the adjust rule. He actually adjusted the same piece twice on the same turn. Now I am not experienced enough to know how the rule works exactly, but he would say adjust at the same moment he touched the piece. The only pieces he was adjusting were his own pieces. They are also pieces that he placed on the squares himself. From what I could see there was no reason to adjust. Isn't chess supposed to be touch move? I was tempted to say something during the game but I did not want to make a spectacle.

07-29-2008, 07:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
Gumshoe Mystery Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bundaberg Posts: 141	It sounds like an abuse of the rule. He should have said "adjust" before touching the piece to begin with to clarify. __________________ “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

07-29-2008, 05:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Smile sweetly and say, "You know, I think the pieces are pretty well centred on their squares, and probably don't need adjusting." A little tact and nothing more needs to happen. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

07-30-2008, 09:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gumshoe Mystery Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bundaberg Posts: 141	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Smile sweetly and say, "You know, I think the pieces are pretty well centred on their squares, and probably don't need adjusting." A little tact and nothing more needs to happen. You could also combine that with a quick glance that basically says "Don't do it again" as well, lol. __________________ “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

08-09-2008, 12:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Fischer-Fan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 152	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures I am playing the first round game a couple weeks ago and my opponent continuously touches the pieces he intends to move then says adjust. I think this is an abuse of the adjust rule. He actually adjusted the same piece twice on the same turn. Now I am not experienced enough to know how the rule works exactly, but he would say adjust at the same moment he touched the piece. The only pieces he was adjusting were his own pieces. They are also pieces that he placed on the squares himself. From what I could see there was no reason to adjust. Isn't chess supposed to be touch move? I was tempted to say something during the game but I did not want to make a spectacle. are you allowed to adjust a piece if it is not your turn? i don't think id care if he adjusted his pieces on his own time though. __________________ Patzer see check, patzer give check! - Bobby Fischer

07-02-2008, 08:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
The Arbiter Posts: n/a	He should clearly say he is adjusting before he adjusts each piece. If he doesn't he leaves himself open to a touchmove claim. Also, unnecessarily adjusting pieces too often is a form of distraction and is illegal.

08-10-2008, 08:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
LMatheson Siberian Chess Cub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Originally Posted by Fischer-Fan are you allowed to adjust a piece if it is not your turn? i don't think id care if he adjusted his pieces on his own time though. No you are not. It is considered very distracting if you adjust you pieces in your opponents time.

08-10-2008, 08:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
LMatheson Siberian Chess Cub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures I am playing the first round game a couple weeks ago and my opponent continuously touches the pieces he intends to move then says adjust. I think this is an abuse of the adjust rule. He actually adjusted the same piece twice on the same turn. Now I am not experienced enough to know how the rule works exactly, but he would say adjust at the same moment he touched the piece. The only pieces he was adjusting were his own pieces. They are also pieces that he placed on the squares himself. From what I could see there was no reason to adjust. Isn't chess supposed to be touch move? I was tempted to say something during the game but I did not want to make a spectacle. You should just call over the arbiter and tell him that your opponent keeps touching his pieces before he says adjust, therefore it should be touch move. I usually try to tell my opponent first before calling over the arbiter but if that doesn't work then just call the arbiter. It is definately NOT allowed.

08-10-2008, 02:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 214	Originally Posted by LMatheson You should just call over the arbiter and tell him that your opponent keeps touching his pieces before he says adjust, therefore it should be touch move. I usually try to tell my opponent first before calling over the arbiter but if that doesn't work then just call the arbiter. It is definately NOT allowed. Yeah but then he is going to say that he is allowed to adjust his pieces on his own time, and then the arbiter might agree with him and then I would look like a foolish beginner making a scene when I shouldn't be, and then no one would like me.

08-11-2008, 08:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
LMatheson Siberian Chess Cub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	If the arbiter doesn't comply then just play on like a normal game. If may also have an effect on your opponent.

08-11-2008, 12:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
YumYum Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 112	Originally Posted by LMatheson If the arbiter doesn't comply then just play on like a normal game. If may also have an effect on your opponent. You have a good point. Usually calling the arbiter over has a psychological effect on both players. I once had my opponent call the arbiter over on me in an equal position. The arbiter didn't agree with my opponent and sided with me. Even though the position was completely equal, the arbiter ruling completely demoralised my opponent and he lost the game because of bad play which was probably the result of the arbiters ruling against him. __________________ Panda is what the world was waiting for!

08-12-2008, 12:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 214	Originally Posted by YumYum You have a good point. Usually calling the arbiter over has a psychological effect on both players. I once had my opponent call the arbiter over on me in an equal position. The arbiter didn't agree with my opponent and sided with me. Even though the position was completely equal, the arbiter ruling completely demoralised my opponent and he lost the game because of bad play which was probably the result of the arbiters ruling against him. How do you know your opponent just didn't screw up. What makes you think the ruling demoralised your opponent. Just because you won?

08-15-2008, 03:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Gumshoe Mystery Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bundaberg Posts: 141	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures How do you know your opponent just didn't screw up. What makes you think the ruling demoralised your opponent. Just because you won? Yeah, I agree. It sounds more like a loss on concentration due to the arbiter disrupting the flow of the game than anything else. But on the other hand I wasn't there so I cant really say for sure, maybe Yum Yum has it right. __________________ “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

07-16-2010, 03:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
Talkerbot Talkerbot Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 15	The touch-move rule in chess was that if a player deliberately touching a piece on the board when it is his turn to play, then he must move or capture that piece if it is legal to the rules of chess so.The rules for games played by chess.If you touch a piece, and there is no legal move of this piece, please make a move.If legal, you will notice that an illegal move is made you must restore the position before the illegal move. __________________ - I am your humble servant! I am programmed to make posts on OzChess. I wish only to serve my organic masters.

07-16-2010, 03:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by lymecaroline The touch-move rule in chess was that if a player deliberately touching a piece on the board when it is his turn to play, then he must move or capture that piece if it is legal to the rules of chess so.The rules for games played by chess.If you touch a piece, and there is no legal move of this piece, please make a move.If legal, you will notice that an illegal move is made you must restore the position before the illegal move. Well said Talkerbot! You are starting to make yourself worthwhile around here, great job! __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

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