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**Iconoclast** · 07-18-2007, 03:48 PM

Does anyone know off the top of their head how a draw offer must be written in chess notation?

**Just2Good** · 07-18-2007, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Does anyone know off the top of their head how a draw offer must be written in chess notation?

If I am not mistaken, you simply write an equal sign (

on your score sheet after you write your move down. If there are further moves afterwards, you know that your offer was knocked back. :eek:

**Iconoclast** · 07-20-2007, 11:42 PM

Thanks. I don't recall ever seeing anyone using that notation. How well is it known :cool:

**Spiny Norman** · 07-21-2007, 11:51 AM

I use the method AO outlined too ... I think its pretty standard.

**Just2Good** · 07-21-2007, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by frosty

I use the method AO outlined too ... I think its pretty standard.

What is a little more concerning, I was at a tournament where Garvin Gray was the DOP. Garvin said that the correct procedure is to make your move, hit your clock, and then write your move down on your score sheet. I think he was suggesting that if you wrote your move down first, and then hit your clock, you could be penalized! :eek:

I don't know if that's correct though.

AO

**Spiny Norman** · 07-22-2007, 12:23 PM

Garvin is correct. FIDE changed the rules, so it is now illegal to write the move first and then play the move on the board.

If I were offering a draw, the process that I follow is:

-- make my move on the board
-- say quietly "I offer I draw"
-- press the clock
-- record my move, with an "=" sign after it

**Gendo Ikari** · 07-23-2007, 07:12 PM

Is it a requirement to even record a draw offer if it is declined?

**Iconoclast** · 07-23-2007, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gendo Ikari

Is it a requirement to even record a draw offer if it is declined?

Probably not, since if there is a move recorded after the (

, then obviously the draw was declined

**Iconoclast** · 07-23-2007, 09:51 PM

As I understand it, you may only write you move after you have let go of your piece on legal square. The act of pressing of the clock is irrelevent.

**TangoCharlieNovember** · 08-05-2007, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Probably not, since if there is a move recorded after the (, then obviously the draw was declined

If my memory is correct. And I think it is. you are supposed to record a draw offer irrespective of whether it has been agreed or not.

But most people dont do it and i think that you would have to be called anal for enforcing it with punishment.

**Iconoclast** · 09-01-2007, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by TangoCharlieNovember

But most people dont do it and i think that you would have to be called anal for enforcing it with punishment.

Like enforcing the mobile phone rule

**Egor** · 09-01-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Like enforcing the mobile phone rule

Or enforcing the not writing down your move first rule.:eek:

**vagrantnomad** · 11-16-2007, 01:04 AM

rules....

i couldnt belive when i played club chess at first, that they didnt say
check!!! i had played that you always say check , and assumed that all chess players always seid it, in a kind of respect to your oponent, i also didnt know that you had too write the game down , and in the 1st and only comp i went in , in qld the guy running it made me stop playing and write down the game while my clock was running off the other player. punished!

**Spiny Norman** · 11-16-2007, 07:56 AM

We brief our new members in advance on what they should expect when they first start playing at the club. You can read about it here:

http://www.croydonchess.com/About/Po...2/Default.aspx

(see the Guidelines for New Members document).

**Euro-Chess** · 12-19-2007, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Like enforcing the mobile phone rule

I think there is much overreaction to this rule. You can now in some places lose your game just because you forgot to turn your mobile off. It happened to a good friend of mine. I think the punishment is disproportional to the crime!

07-18-2007, 03:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Chess Notation Does anyone know off the top of their head how a draw offer must be written in chess notation?

07-18-2007, 04:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	An Equal Sign Originally Posted by Iconoclast Does anyone know off the top of their head how a draw offer must be written in chess notation? If I am not mistaken, you simply write an equal sign ( on your score sheet after you write your move down. If there are further moves afterwards, you know that your offer was knocked back. :eek:

07-21-2007, 05:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by frosty I use the method AO outlined too ... I think its pretty standard. What is a little more concerning, I was at a tournament where Garvin Gray was the DOP. Garvin said that the correct procedure is to make your move, hit your clock, and then write your move down on your score sheet. I think he was suggesting that if you wrote your move down first, and then hit your clock, you could be penalized! :eek: I don't know if that's correct though. AO

07-22-2007, 12:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Spiny Norman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 224	Garvin is correct. FIDE changed the rules, so it is now illegal to write the move first and then play the move on the board. If I were offering a draw, the process that I follow is: -- make my move on the board -- say quietly "I offer I draw" -- press the clock -- record my move, with an "=" sign after it Last edited by Spiny Norman : 07-24-2007 at 07:33 AM Reason: fixed spelling typo

07-23-2007, 09:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Gendo Ikari Is it a requirement to even record a draw offer if it is declined? Probably not, since if there is a move recorded after the (, then obviously the draw was declined

07-20-2007, 11:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Thanks. I don't recall ever seeing anyone using that notation. How well is it known :cool:

07-21-2007, 11:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Spiny Norman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 224	I use the method AO outlined too ... I think its pretty standard.

07-23-2007, 07:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gendo Ikari Director Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 99	Is it a requirement to even record a draw offer if it is declined?

07-23-2007, 09:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	As I understand it, you may only write you move after you have let go of your piece on legal square. The act of pressing of the clock is irrelevent.

08-05-2007, 12:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
TangoCharlieNovember Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Probably not, since if there is a move recorded after the (, then obviously the draw was declined If my memory is correct. And I think it is. you are supposed to record a draw offer irrespective of whether it has been agreed or not. But most people dont do it and i think that you would have to be called anal for enforcing it with punishment.

09-01-2007, 04:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by TangoCharlieNovember But most people dont do it and i think that you would have to be called anal for enforcing it with punishment. Like enforcing the mobile phone rule

09-01-2007, 05:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
Egor Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Like enforcing the mobile phone rule Or enforcing the not writing down your move first rule.:eek:

11-16-2007, 01:04 AM	#13 (permalink)
vagrantnomad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: qld at the moment Posts: 272	rules.... i couldnt belive when i played club chess at first, that they didnt say check!!! i had played that you always say check , and assumed that all chess players always seid it, in a kind of respect to your oponent, i also didnt know that you had too write the game down , and in the 1st and only comp i went in , in qld the guy running it made me stop playing and write down the game while my clock was running off the other player. punished!

11-16-2007, 07:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
Spiny Norman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 224	We brief our new members in advance on what they should expect when they first start playing at the club. You can read about it here: http://www.croydonchess.com/About/Po...2/Default.aspx (see the Guidelines for New Members document).

12-19-2007, 08:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
Euro-Chess Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney, NSW Posts: 126	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Like enforcing the mobile phone rule I think there is much overreaction to this rule. You can now in some places lose your game just because you forgot to turn your mobile off. It happened to a good friend of mine. I think the punishment is disproportional to the crime!

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