RD's & Bill's Attitude - Page 3 - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 09-10-2007, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Egor

In regards to what specifically?

Bill once said something to the effect that it was his mission in life to make sure Matt Sweeney never played chess in New South Wales again. That kind of comment should not be coming from anyone in chess administration let alone the president of the NSWCA.

**Iconoclast** · 09-10-2007, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Bill once said something to the effect that it was his mission in life to make sure Matt Sweeney never played chess in New South Wales again. That kind of comment should not be coming from anyone in chess administration let alone the president of the NSWCA.

Oh yes. I owe that dog exactly nothing except for my contempt and anamosity.

**Egor** · 09-10-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Bill once said something to the effect that it was his mission in life to make sure Matt Sweeney never played chess in New South Wales again. That kind of comment should not be coming from anyone in chess administration let alone the president of the NSWCA.

It has been claimed that Bill said something like this, Bill denies it. Also, when I checked with the person Iconoclast claimed heard Bill say this, the person also denied it. So, at this time, I have no reason to believe that Bill ever said anything like it.

**Iconoclast** · 09-10-2007, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Egor

It has been claimed that Bill said something like this, Bill denies it. Also, when I checked with the person Iconoclast claimed heard Bill say this, the person also denied it. So, at this time, I have no reason to believe that Bill ever said anything like it.

See my PM. BG has said to a number of people what AO has repeated.

**Egor** · 09-11-2007, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

See my PM. BG has said to a number of people what AO has repeated.

Seen your PM and answered it. Awaiting your reply.

**Just2Good** · 09-13-2007, 01:24 AM

Perhaps the problem of inaccurate underrating for juniors could be solved simply by using a hybrid system.

For instance, juniors could continue having their games rated using the Glicko system, but adults should be rated according to the ELO model, or at least have the election to do so. This would limit the damage caused when adults lose to under rated juniors to only 14 points maximum.

I don't know whether anyone has proposed this idea before, but it seems to have some merit.

**Just2Good** · 10-03-2007, 07:51 PM

So I am looking over the latest council Minutes from the Queensland Chess Association, and I find this little gem:

ITEM 6 - GENERAL BUSINESS
6.1 Rating Differentials
Moved D. Sampson, seconded B. Thomas, that the CAQ council requests the ACF Ratings Officer to supply the Rating Differentials used in the calculations of ACF ratings to the CAQ Ratings Officer. Carried.

Well Well Well,

Looks like Bill Gletsos stubborn refusal to be upfront and transparent regarding the Rating Differentials has finally caught the attention of Queensland Chess Association, the second or third biggest chess state in the country.

I will be interested in seeing how Mr Gletsos dodges the issue now, as these Minutes clearly make his position (which he has defended for ages) appear very foolish!

Full CAQ Council Minutes can be found here: CAQ Council Minutes - Aug 2007

**MOZ** · 10-04-2007, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

So I am looking over the latest council Minutes from the Queensland Chess Association, and I find this little gem:

Well Well Well,

Looks like Bill Gletsos stubborn refusal to be upfront and transparent regarding the Rating Differentials has finally caught the attention of Queensland Chess Association, the second or third biggest chess state in the country.

I will be interested in seeing how Mr Gletsos dodges the issue now, as these Minutes clearly make his position (which he has defended for ages) appear very foolish!

Full CAQ Council Minutes can be found here: CAQ Council Minutes - Aug 2007

Thanks AO...they made interesting reading.

MOZ

**Just2Good** · 10-06-2007, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Thanks AO...they made interesting reading.

MOZ

No response by Bill Gletsos you know Moz - not even in the coward's box where most of his comments to tough issues he wants to dodge are ordinarily made.
As such I think it might be a good time to formally ask the ACF Rating Officer if he intends to comply with the clear and sensible position requested by the CAQ.

AO

ps- This smiley represents Bill's position on the issue quite nicely I think -

**MOZ** · 10-06-2007, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

No response by Bill Gletsos you know Moz - not even in the coward's box where most of his comments to tough issues he wants to dodge are ordinarily made.

As such I think it might be a good time to formally ask the ACF Rating Officer if he intends to comply with the clear and sensible position requested by the CAQ.

AO

**Iconoclast** · 10-11-2007, 11:54 AM

Is there any chance of the correspondance to the ACF ratings officer regarding the RDs being sent to the QCA, being posted here?

**Chessic-Adventures** · 10-12-2007, 01:59 PM

The wording of the motion passed doesn't say that the RD's will be made public, just made known to the state rating officer.

**Iconoclast** · 10-12-2007, 08:05 PM

And then the state ratings officer can publish them. They are not commercial in confidence. They are the property of the members of the ACF (States) and thus, property of the members of the states (the players.)

**Just2Good** · 10-28-2007, 04:01 PM

The latest council Minutes from the Queensland Chess Association state:

ITEM 6 - GENERAL BUSINESS
6.1 Rating Differentials
Moved D. Sampson, seconded B. Thomas, that the CAQ council requests the ACF Ratings Officer to supply the Rating Differentials used in the calculations of ACF ratings to the CAQ Ratings Officer. Carried.

Full CAQ Council Minutes can be found here: CAQ Council Minutes - Aug 2007

I had a chance to speak with Brian Thomas, CAQ Secretary, about the above motion and what action had been taken to inform Bill Gletsos of the CAQ position. Brian said he had spoken with Bill regarding it, that Bill said releasing the RD's would 'confuse' too many people, and that Bill Gletsos would not comply with the motion (which was democratically passed by the CAQ Council).

Might I state that while Bill Gletsos may be easily confused on a great many topics, the average chess player would not be easily confused if RD's were to be made public.

**Iconoclast** · 10-28-2007, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

... Bill said releasing the RD's would 'confuse' too many people, and that [he] would not comply with the motion (which was democratically passed by the CAQ Council).

WOW! Democratically elected officials ask for info from an unelected official and he said no.

ACF ? Unelected

ACF ? Unaccountable

ACF officials ? Unelected

ACF officials ? Unaccounable

09-10-2007, 07:19 PM	#31 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Egor In regards to what specifically? Bill once said something to the effect that it was his mission in life to make sure Matt Sweeney never played chess in New South Wales again. That kind of comment should not be coming from anyone in chess administration let alone the president of the NSWCA. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

09-10-2007, 08:01 PM	#32 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Bill once said something to the effect that it was his mission in life to make sure Matt Sweeney never played chess in New South Wales again. That kind of comment should not be coming from anyone in chess administration let alone the president of the NSWCA. Oh yes. I owe that dog exactly nothing except for my contempt and anamosity.

09-10-2007, 09:10 PM	#33 (permalink)
Egor Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Bill once said something to the effect that it was his mission in life to make sure Matt Sweeney never played chess in New South Wales again. That kind of comment should not be coming from anyone in chess administration let alone the president of the NSWCA. It has been claimed that Bill said something like this, Bill denies it. Also, when I checked with the person Iconoclast claimed heard Bill say this, the person also denied it. So, at this time, I have no reason to believe that Bill ever said anything like it.

09-10-2007, 11:51 PM	#34 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Egor It has been claimed that Bill said something like this, Bill denies it. Also, when I checked with the person Iconoclast claimed heard Bill say this, the person also denied it. So, at this time, I have no reason to believe that Bill ever said anything like it. See my PM. BG has said to a number of people what AO has repeated.

09-11-2007, 07:58 AM	#35 (permalink)
Egor Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	Originally Posted by Iconoclast See my PM. BG has said to a number of people what AO has repeated. Seen your PM and answered it. Awaiting your reply.

09-13-2007, 01:24 AM	#36 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Stop the bleeding Perhaps the problem of inaccurate underrating for juniors could be solved simply by using a hybrid system. For instance, juniors could continue having their games rated using the Glicko system, but adults should be rated according to the ELO model, or at least have the election to do so. This would limit the damage caused when adults lose to under rated juniors to only 14 points maximum. I don't know whether anyone has proposed this idea before, but it seems to have some merit. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-03-2007, 07:51 PM	#37 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Bill Gletsos's Obstinate Attitude So I am looking over the latest council Minutes from the Queensland Chess Association, and I find this little gem: ITEM 6 - GENERAL BUSINESS 6.1 Rating Differentials Moved D. Sampson, seconded B. Thomas, that the CAQ council requests the ACF Ratings Officer to supply the Rating Differentials used in the calculations of ACF ratings to the CAQ Ratings Officer. Carried. Well Well Well, Looks like Bill Gletsos stubborn refusal to be upfront and transparent regarding the Rating Differentials has finally caught the attention of Queensland Chess Association, the second or third biggest chess state in the country. I will be interested in seeing how Mr Gletsos dodges the issue now, as these Minutes clearly make his position (which he has defended for ages) appear very foolish! Full CAQ Council Minutes can be found here: CAQ Council Minutes - Aug 2007 __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-04-2007, 08:31 AM	#38 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One So I am looking over the latest council Minutes from the Queensland Chess Association, and I find this little gem: Well Well Well, Looks like Bill Gletsos stubborn refusal to be upfront and transparent regarding the Rating Differentials has finally caught the attention of Queensland Chess Association, the second or third biggest chess state in the country. I will be interested in seeing how Mr Gletsos dodges the issue now, as these Minutes clearly make his position (which he has defended for ages) appear very foolish! Full CAQ Council Minutes can be found here: CAQ Council Minutes - Aug 2007 Thanks AO...they made interesting reading. MOZ

10-06-2007, 08:53 PM	#39 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Bill Gletsos - Loss for Words Originally Posted by MOZ Thanks AO...they made interesting reading. MOZ No response by Bill Gletsos you know Moz - not even in the coward's box where most of his comments to tough issues he wants to dodge are ordinarily made. As such I think it might be a good time to formally ask the ACF Rating Officer if he intends to comply with the clear and sensible position requested by the CAQ. AO ps- This smiley represents Bill's position on the issue quite nicely I think - __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-06-2007, 09:03 PM	#40 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One No response by Bill Gletsos you know Moz - not even in the coward's box where most of his comments to tough issues he wants to dodge are ordinarily made. As such I think it might be a good time to formally ask the ACF Rating Officer if he intends to comply with the clear and sensible position requested by the CAQ. AO

10-11-2007, 11:54 AM	#41 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Is there any chance of the correspondance to the ACF ratings officer regarding the RDs being sent to the QCA, being posted here?

10-12-2007, 01:59 PM	#42 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 221	The wording of the motion passed doesn't say that the RD's will be made public, just made known to the state rating officer.

10-12-2007, 08:05 PM	#43 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	And then the state ratings officer can publish them. They are not commercial in confidence. They are the property of the members of the ACF (States) and thus, property of the members of the states (the players.)

10-28-2007, 04:01 PM	#44 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Gletsos' 'confusion' The latest council Minutes from the Queensland Chess Association state: ITEM 6 - GENERAL BUSINESS 6.1 Rating Differentials Moved D. Sampson, seconded B. Thomas, that the CAQ council requests the ACF Ratings Officer to supply the Rating Differentials used in the calculations of ACF ratings to the CAQ Ratings Officer. Carried. Full CAQ Council Minutes can be found here: CAQ Council Minutes - Aug 2007 I had a chance to speak with Brian Thomas, CAQ Secretary, about the above motion and what action had been taken to inform Bill Gletsos of the CAQ position. Brian said he had spoken with Bill regarding it, that Bill said releasing the RD's would 'confuse' too many people, and that Bill Gletsos would not comply with the motion (which was democratically passed by the CAQ Council). Might I state that while Bill Gletsos may be easily confused on a great many topics, the average chess player would not be easily confused if RD's were to be made public. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-28-2007, 08:28 PM	#45 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One ... Bill said releasing the RD's would 'confuse' too many people, and that [he] would not comply with the motion (which was democratically passed by the CAQ Council). WOW! Democratically elected officials ask for info from an unelected official and he said no. ACF ? Unelected ACF ? Unaccountable ACF officials ? Unelected ACF officials ? Unaccounable __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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