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**vagrantnomad** · 02-23-2008, 04:06 PM

is it against the rules to have or go to another chess board and recreate the
game your playing to look at moves(all in your own time)?

**Iconoclast** · 02-23-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by vagrantnomad

is it against the rules to have or go to another chess board and recreate the
game your playing to look at moves(all in your own time)?

I suppose you are thinking of those times when you think there is/was/will be, a three fold repetition of position. I think who would not be permitted to do so, and that you could only make a speculative claim of TFR. The Arbiter could then do it for you.

**shaun** · 02-23-2008, 08:08 PM

Yes. Specifically Article 12.2 of the FIDE Rules of Chess.
12.2.a During play the players are forbidden to make use of any notes, sources of information, advice or analyse on another chess board.

Two incidents spring to mind.
During the 1977 Spassky v Korchnoi Candidates Match, Spassky (from Game 10 onwards) remained in his relaxation area at the side of the stage and analysed his next move using the demonstration board at the back of the stage, only returning to the board to play his move, before retiring once more. Korchnoi protested, and FIDE (in it's usual ham-fisted way) attempted a number of solutions (that didn't involve enforcing the rules) that only made matters worse.

At last years Doeberl Cup a player new to tournament chess was using a spare board to analyse his own game while it was still in progress. When informed by the arbiters that he was breaking the rules he (a) pleaded ignorance (which we believed) and (b) immediately resigned his game.

**Iconoclast** · 02-23-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by shaun

... he (a) pleaded ignorance (which we believed) and (b) immediately resigned his game.

That is a display of good sportsmanship.

**vagrantnomad** · 02-24-2008, 02:21 PM

thanks , whats the rules on talking to your opponent while its his/her
move, can your opponent complain about it and get a win?
this might be a tough question, but phycing people out with words works,
can you do it?

**Just2Good** · 02-24-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by vagrantnomad

thanks , whats the rules on talking to your opponent while its his/her
move, can your opponent complain about it and get a win?
this might be a tough question, but phycing people out with words works,
can you do it?

Ordinarily a Director of Play is supposed to award an extra period of time to your opponent's clock if you distract him during the game (at least that's one of the options open to the DOP's discretion). This 'punishment' however is not as useful or effective since the use of increments in time controls has become much more common. It was far more beneficial in the days of guilotine time controls.

**Iconoclast** · 02-24-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by vagrantnomad

thanks , whats the rules on talking to your opponent while its his/her
move, can your opponent complain about it and get a win?
this might be a tough question, but phycing people out with words works,
can you do it?

You are not permitted to distract your opponent. If you want to speak with them, just speak with them. If they do not wish to be spoken with, they will either (1) say so, (2) ask the arbiter to tell you to stop and you must stop. Repeat this behaviour will see the game awarded against you.

99% of players will not throw a wobbly if you say things like, "Excuse me, I will be back in 5 minutes," or "In this position I think am on safe ground in offering you a draw. Draw?" However, "I am as sick as a dog. I am going to the shitter to spew out of both ends. Make sure you stop the clock after you make your move," or, "Look I am a pawn and the exchange up. You really should be resigning," might see them call the Arbiter.

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**vagrantnomad** · 02-26-2008, 06:33 PM

if you leave the table do you have to say anything?
if no , is it better to just not to say somthing?
is it ok to turn up to a torny to just film it? or should you ask permission to
film ?

**Iconoclast** · 02-26-2008, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by vagrantnomad

if you leave the table do you have to say anything?
if no , is it better to just not to say somthing?
is it ok to turn up to a torny to just film it? or should you ask permission to
film ?

1. No. But if you are going for some time, I think, it would be good manners.
2. As above.
3. "Just to film it" makes you a spectator. The same tacit and explicit rules would apply to the filmer as a photographer.

**Chessic-Adventures** · 02-27-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by vagrantnomad

if you leave the table do you have to say anything?
if no , is it better to just not to say somthing?
is it ok to turn up to a torny to just film it? or should you ask permission to
film ?

You must annouce that you are leaving the table, otherwise people will suspect you are using pocket fritz to go and cheat!

**shaun** · 02-28-2008, 07:55 AM

Most questions on this thread can be answered by reading the FIDE Rules of Chess and the FIDE Handbook

**Iconoclast** · 02-28-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by shaun

Most questions on this thread can be answered by reading the FIDE Rules of Chess and the FIDE Handbook

- Killjoy was here.

**vagrantnomad** · 03-04-2008, 12:12 AM

"You must annouce that you are leaving the table, otherwise people will suspect you are using pocket fritz to go and cheat!"

i dont see how having a 'pocket fritz' would help anyone win at chess or why
anyone would be that horny at a chess comp....but people are people!!??!

thanks for the link shaun , if i have anymore questions after reading it ill post em here , i also appreshiated your 'eg's' .

**vagrantnomad** · 03-04-2008, 12:37 AM

Ordinarily a Director of Play is supposed to award an extra period of time to your opponent's clock if you distract him during the game (at least that's one of the options open to the DOP's discretion). This 'punishment' however is not as useful or effective since the use of increments in time controls has become much more common. It was far more beneficial in the days of guilotine time controls.

AO whats the diferance in guilotinte time, to todays time controls?

**YumYum** · 05-13-2008, 06:11 AM

I believe so. Kind of like on a school test, you can't have like a copy of the test with all of the correct answers on it. That would be cheating! I'm guessing it's the same for chess.

02-23-2008, 04:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
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02-23-2008, 06:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by vagrantnomad is it against the rules to have or go to another chess board and recreate the game your playing to look at moves(all in your own time)? I suppose you are thinking of those times when you think there is/was/will be, a three fold repetition of position. I think who would not be permitted to do so, and that you could only make a speculative claim of TFR. The Arbiter could then do it for you. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

02-23-2008, 11:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by shaun ... he (a) pleaded ignorance (which we believed) and (b) immediately resigned his game. That is a display of good sportsmanship. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

02-24-2008, 02:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by vagrantnomad thanks , whats the rules on talking to your opponent while its his/her move, can your opponent complain about it and get a win? this might be a tough question, but phycing people out with words works, can you do it? Ordinarily a Director of Play is supposed to award an extra period of time to your opponent's clock if you distract him during the game (at least that's one of the options open to the DOP's discretion). This 'punishment' however is not as useful or effective since the use of increments in time controls has become much more common. It was far more beneficial in the days of guilotine time controls. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

02-24-2008, 04:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by vagrantnomad thanks , whats the rules on talking to your opponent while its his/her move, can your opponent complain about it and get a win? this might be a tough question, but phycing people out with words works, can you do it? You are not permitted to distract your opponent. If you want to speak with them, just speak with them. If they do not wish to be spoken with, they will either (1) say so, (2) ask the arbiter to tell you to stop and you must stop. Repeat this behaviour will see the game awarded against you. 99% of players will not throw a wobbly if you say things like, "Excuse me, I will be back in 5 minutes," or "In this position I think am on safe ground in offering you a draw. Draw?" However, "I am as sick as a dog. I am going to the shitter to spew out of both ends. Make sure you stop the clock after you make your move," or, "Look I am a pawn and the exchange up. You really should be resigning," might see them call the Arbiter. . __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

02-23-2008, 08:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
shaun Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 56	Yes. Specifically Article 12.2 of the FIDE Rules of Chess. 12.2.a During play the players are forbidden to make use of any notes, sources of information, advice or analyse on another chess board. Two incidents spring to mind. During the 1977 Spassky v Korchnoi Candidates Match, Spassky (from Game 10 onwards) remained in his relaxation area at the side of the stage and analysed his next move using the demonstration board at the back of the stage, only returning to the board to play his move, before retiring once more. Korchnoi protested, and FIDE (in it's usual ham-fisted way) attempted a number of solutions (that didn't involve enforcing the rules) that only made matters worse. At last years Doeberl Cup a player new to tournament chess was using a spare board to analyse his own game while it was still in progress. When informed by the arbiters that he was breaking the rules he (a) pleaded ignorance (which we believed) and (b) immediately resigned his game.

02-24-2008, 02:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
vagrantnomad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: qld at the moment Posts: 272	thanks , whats the rules on talking to your opponent while its his/her move, can your opponent complain about it and get a win? this might be a tough question, but phycing people out with words works, can you do it?

02-26-2008, 06:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
vagrantnomad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: qld at the moment Posts: 272	if you leave the table do you have to say anything? if no , is it better to just not to say somthing? is it ok to turn up to a torny to just film it? or should you ask permission to film ?

02-26-2008, 09:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by vagrantnomad if you leave the table do you have to say anything? if no , is it better to just not to say somthing? is it ok to turn up to a torny to just film it? or should you ask permission to film ? 1. No. But if you are going for some time, I think, it would be good manners. 2. As above. 3. "Just to film it" makes you a spectator. The same tacit and explicit rules would apply to the filmer as a photographer. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

02-27-2008, 07:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 221	Originally Posted by vagrantnomad if you leave the table do you have to say anything? if no , is it better to just not to say somthing? is it ok to turn up to a torny to just film it? or should you ask permission to film ? You must annouce that you are leaving the table, otherwise people will suspect you are using pocket fritz to go and cheat!

02-28-2008, 07:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
shaun Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 56	Most questions on this thread can be answered by reading the FIDE Rules of Chess and the FIDE Handbook

02-28-2008, 03:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by shaun Most questions on this thread can be answered by reading the FIDE Rules of Chess and the FIDE Handbook - Killjoy was here. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-04-2008, 12:12 AM	#13 (permalink)
vagrantnomad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: qld at the moment Posts: 272	"You must annouce that you are leaving the table, otherwise people will suspect you are using pocket fritz to go and cheat!" i dont see how having a 'pocket fritz' would help anyone win at chess or why anyone would be that horny at a chess comp....but people are people!!??! thanks for the link shaun , if i have anymore questions after reading it ill post em here , i also appreshiated your 'eg's' . Last edited by vagrantnomad : 03-04-2008 at 12:25 AM

03-04-2008, 12:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
vagrantnomad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: qld at the moment Posts: 272	Ordinarily a Director of Play is supposed to award an extra period of time to your opponent's clock if you distract him during the game (at least that's one of the options open to the DOP's discretion). This 'punishment' however is not as useful or effective since the use of increments in time controls has become much more common. It was far more beneficial in the days of guilotine time controls. AO whats the diferance in guilotinte time, to todays time controls?

05-13-2008, 06:11 AM	#15 (permalink)
YumYum Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 112	I believe so. Kind of like on a school test, you can't have like a copy of the test with all of the correct answers on it. That would be cheating! I'm guessing it's the same for chess. __________________ Panda is what the world was waiting for!

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