Knocking Over Pieces & Pressing Clock - OzChess

**Firegoat7** · 08-21-2010, 09:54 PM

Hi,

Playing Blitz. Player A goes to play a move then knocks pieces over. Q1 ) Should they incur a time penalty. When resetting pieces Player A uses left hand to set up pieces that were knocked over and then presses clock with other (right) hand. Q2 Is this a violation of the touch move rule, ie same hand etc

Opinions?

cheers,

**antichrist** · 08-22-2010, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Hi,

Playing Blitz. Player A goes to play a move then knocks pieces over. Q1 ) Should they incur a time penalty. When resetting pieces Player A uses left hand to set up pieces that were knocked over and then presses clock with other (right) hand. Q2 Is this a violation of the touch move rule, ie same hand etc

Opinions?

cheers,

Drunk A knocks B's glass of beer over, then with other hand fondles passing girl and gets face slapped - was it violation of touch move or was penalty unnecessary?

**Iconoclast** · 08-22-2010, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Q1 ) Should they incur a time penalty.

No, because it is his precious time that he is using.

When resetting pieces Player A uses left hand to set up pieces that were knocked over and then presses clock with other (right) hand. Q2 Is this a violation of the touch move rule, ie same hand etc

No, because resetting pieces is not part of making a move - is is something that happens during the move.

**Just2Good** · 08-22-2010, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Hi,

Playing Blitz. Player A goes to play a move then knocks pieces over. Q1 ) Should they incur a time penalty. When resetting pieces Player A uses left hand to set up pieces that were knocked over and then presses clock with other (right) hand. Q2 Is this a violation of the touch move rule, ie same hand etc

Opinions?

cheers,

What is supposed to happen is the player who knocked over the pieces sets the pieces up again (with any hand) on their own time. That's fair enough.

**antichrist** · 08-22-2010, 10:51 PM

what about if player B helps set up the board (as some pieces under chair under him) but sets board up wrongly, whose fault is it?

**Axiom** · 08-22-2010, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

what about if player B helps set up the board (as some pieces on chair under him) but sets board up wrongly, whose fault is it?

The chair's .

**Calvin** · 08-23-2010, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Comeback Kid

What is supposed to happen is the player who knocked over the pieces sets the pieces up again (with any hand) on their own time. That's fair enough.

I think that is correct and in accordance with ACF rules.

**Just2Good** · 08-24-2010, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Calvin

I think that is correct and in accordance with ACF rules.

No it isn't.

**antichrist** · 08-24-2010, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

what about if player B helps set up the board (as some pieces under chair under him) but sets board up wrongly, whose fault is it?

okay ignore this scenario - I only brought it up coz it was a true scenario - go suck - at least over there Bill would answer even if it did come with an insult at no extra charge

**Axiom** · 08-24-2010, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

okay ignore this scenario - I only brought it up coz it was a true scenario - go suck - at least over there Bill would answer even if it did come with an insult at no extra charge

Who the hell are you talking to ??

**antichrist** · 08-25-2010, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Who the hell are you talking to ??

well not you coz you would probably deduce that it was a conspiracy - the knocked over pieces, the knocked over flower vase, Lloyd Fell falling off the perch...

**Axiom** · 08-25-2010, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

well not you coz you would probably deduce that it was a conspiracy - the knocked over pieces, the knocked over flower vase, Lloyd Fell falling off the perch...

sorry , my apologies .

**Just2Good** · 08-25-2010, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Who the hell are you talking to ??

To the man in the wall. That's why the doctors have him taking meds. Hopefully the voices inside his head will stop.

**antichrist** · 08-25-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Comeback Kid

To the man in the wall. That's why the doctors have him taking meds. Hopefully the voices inside his head will stop.

I would deduce that the voices in poor uncle Lloyd's head has slowed down a little - understatement

**Igor Goldenberg** · 09-02-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Comeback Kid

What is supposed to happen is the player who knocked over the pieces sets the pieces up again (with any hand) on their own time. That's fair enough.

FIDE now penalise it with a forfeit (happened at WMSG in China two years ago).

08-21-2010, 09:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Knocking Over Pieces & Pressing Clock Hi, Playing Blitz. Player A goes to play a move then knocks pieces over. Q1 ) Should they incur a time penalty. When resetting pieces Player A uses left hand to set up pieces that were knocked over and then presses clock with other (right) hand. Q2 Is this a violation of the touch move rule, ie same hand etc Opinions? cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

08-22-2010, 01:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Hi, Playing Blitz. Player A goes to play a move then knocks pieces over. Q1 ) Should they incur a time penalty. When resetting pieces Player A uses left hand to set up pieces that were knocked over and then presses clock with other (right) hand. Q2 Is this a violation of the touch move rule, ie same hand etc Opinions? cheers, Drunk A knocks B's glass of beer over, then with other hand fondles passing girl and gets face slapped - was it violation of touch move or was penalty unnecessary?

08-22-2010, 09:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Q1 ) Should they incur a time penalty. No, because it is his precious time that he is using. When resetting pieces Player A uses left hand to set up pieces that were knocked over and then presses clock with other (right) hand. Q2 Is this a violation of the touch move rule, ie same hand etc No, because resetting pieces is not part of making a move - is is something that happens during the move. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-22-2010, 10:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Hi, Playing Blitz. Player A goes to play a move then knocks pieces over. Q1 ) Should they incur a time penalty. When resetting pieces Player A uses left hand to set up pieces that were knocked over and then presses clock with other (right) hand. Q2 Is this a violation of the touch move rule, ie same hand etc Opinions? cheers, What is supposed to happen is the player who knocked over the pieces sets the pieces up again (with any hand) on their own time. That's fair enough. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-22-2010, 10:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	what about if player B helps set up the board (as some pieces under chair under him) but sets board up wrongly, whose fault is it? Last edited by antichrist : 08-24-2010 at 08:56 PM

08-22-2010, 11:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by antichrist what about if player B helps set up the board (as some pieces on chair under him) but sets board up wrongly, whose fault is it? The chair's . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-23-2010, 12:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 268	Originally Posted by Comeback Kid What is supposed to happen is the player who knocked over the pieces sets the pieces up again (with any hand) on their own time. That's fair enough. I think that is correct and in accordance with ACF rules.

08-24-2010, 06:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Calvin I think that is correct and in accordance with ACF rules. No it isn't. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-24-2010, 08:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by antichrist what about if player B helps set up the board (as some pieces under chair under him) but sets board up wrongly, whose fault is it? okay ignore this scenario - I only brought it up coz it was a true scenario - go suck - at least over there Bill would answer even if it did come with an insult at no extra charge

08-24-2010, 09:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by antichrist okay ignore this scenario - I only brought it up coz it was a true scenario - go suck - at least over there Bill would answer even if it did come with an insult at no extra charge Who the hell are you talking to ?? __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-25-2010, 02:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Axiom Who the hell are you talking to ?? well not you coz you would probably deduce that it was a conspiracy - the knocked over pieces, the knocked over flower vase, Lloyd Fell falling off the perch...

08-25-2010, 02:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by antichrist well not you coz you would probably deduce that it was a conspiracy - the knocked over pieces, the knocked over flower vase, Lloyd Fell falling off the perch... sorry , my apologies . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-25-2010, 05:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Axiom Who the hell are you talking to ?? To the man in the wall. That's why the doctors have him taking meds. Hopefully the voices inside his head will stop. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-25-2010, 09:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Comeback Kid To the man in the wall. That's why the doctors have him taking meds. Hopefully the voices inside his head will stop. I would deduce that the voices in poor uncle Lloyd's head has slowed down a little - understatement

09-02-2010, 03:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	Originally Posted by Comeback Kid What is supposed to happen is the player who knocked over the pieces sets the pieces up again (with any hand) on their own time. That's fair enough. FIDE now penalise it with a forfeit (happened at WMSG in China two years ago). __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

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