New CAQ Council 2008 - Page 2 - OzChess

**Garrett** · 01-06-2008, 01:26 PM

Good luck to Qld Chess.

Hopefully the Qld Interclub, which John Surridge played a key role in organising, will continue to go from strength to strength.

**Bill Powell** · 01-07-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I think you should ask Bill Powell to put his hand up and go back on CAQ council. When Bill is on council, it really starts to perform well. But when Howard Duggan is on council, numbers go down.

Thanks AO, But I will not return. After winning the December 2006 election for President over Garven Gray by 24 to 1. three of the Howard Duggan Team still on council refused to cooperate with me. So I gave it away as they were only interested in their own power and could not see what was needed for all of Qld. Big frogs in very small ponds.

**Just2Good** · 01-07-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Powell

Thanks AO, But I will not return. After winning the December 1976 election for President over Garven Gray by 24 to 1. three of the Howard Duggan Team still on council refused to coperate with me. So I gave it away as they were only interested in their own power and could not see what was needed for all of Qld. Big frogs in very small ponds.

I know how you feel Bill.

One of Howard's friends even voted against Dion being added to council as Development Officer, and then Dion went on to do an excellent job in the role.

It seems every time someone of good character and intent put their hand up to try and help the CAQ, they get pounced on!

**Little Black Cat** · 01-07-2008, 08:06 PM

Wasn't 1976 a long time ago?

**Uki** · 01-07-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Little Black Cat

Wasn't 1976 a long time ago?

I think Bill Powell ment 2006.

**Garrett** · 01-09-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I know how you feel Bill.

The Howard team did the same thing in villanizing me when I was CAQ Vice President. The Howard Team even voted against Dion being added to council as Development Officer, and then Dion went on to do an excellent job in the role.

If I am not mistaken the Howard team then tried flogging the next CAQ Vice President, Amir (the organizor for the Surfers Paradise Open). He ended up not returning to council either.

It seems every time someone of good character and intent put their hand up to try and help the CAQ, the Howard team was there to pounce on them! No wonder Bill Gletsos gets along with Howard so well. Thankfully, they no longer have a majority on council - with the primary irrationalizor and his first officer now ancient history and left to their fate of haunting Chess Chat forevermore!

Yes, I sensed some degree of un-cooperativeness during the very brief time I was on council. I am not sure it was because of any 'faction' though.

So what did Dion do while on Council ? Was he a silent achiever ? Perhaps he could list his accomplishments here. I am in no way doubting he was a contributer.

PS - I freely admit I did extremely little during my two months on Council before having to withdraw.
cheers
George.

**Just2Good** · 01-09-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Garrett

Yes, I sensed some degree of un-cooperativeness during the very brief time I was on council. I am not sure it was because of any 'faction' though.

So what did Dion do while on Council ? Was he a silent achiever ? Perhaps he could list his accomplishments here. I am in no way doubting he was a contributer.

PS - I freely admit I did extremely little during my two months on Council before having to withdraw.
cheers
George.

Thanks for that George.

There very much was a faction loyal to Howard when I was on council, after I left council, and probably even before. I don't know if there still is though.

In one respect, provided the faction is not losing money, then its still a tenable situation even if you disagree with the way they are doing things. However, when councils lose, say $15,000 over two years, that's when factions become hugely problematic. Then they say, well, we were democratically elected to lose $15,000 - so anyone who wants to complain about the way we do things can get stuffed. Unfortunately, there is some legitimacy in that argument. Accountability basically goes out the window. That's just the reality.

Back from the tangent, however, the CAQ council is now down to 5 members! In a state of 4 million plus that's pretty concerning. John Surridge owes Queensland Chess a big explanation after putting his hand up (depriving others of doing so) in December 07 and then abandoning ship one month later. That's quite unimpressive, but I guess Howard set the precedent there with his frequent resignations and retracted resignations.

I recently informed council I would be interested in taking over as Treasurer if Allen Menham were willing to move into the Vice President's role, but Allen wanted to keep his position and I am therefore about 25% at best for putting my hand up for a different vacant council role.

I think the fact is that some concessions have to be offered already beyond receiving a free $10 CAQ membership only in your second year as a councillor (and nothing during your first). That doesn't necessarily have to be money, maybe an end of year dinner or something along those lines. But clearly what's on offer at present isn't cutting the mustard, and isn't attracting new prospective councillors.

**Gendo Ikari** · 01-09-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Garrett

Yes, I sensed some degree of un-cooperativeness during the very brief time I was on council. I am not sure it was because of any 'faction' though.

So what did Dion do while on Council ? Was he a silent achiever ? Perhaps he could list his accomplishments here. I am in no way doubting he was a contributer.

PS - I freely admit I did extremely little during my two months on Council before having to withdraw.
cheers
George.

Hi George,

If there's one thing you learn when in administrative roles it's that a lot goes on behind the scenes and I'm far more sympathetic to volunteers who give their time. At the same time, you don't want to be around if you haven't got the time to put in - I have too much on my plate in other areas now which is why I chose not to continue in the role and I understand why you didn't want to continue too. As you well know, there is a huge amount of email communication between councillors in addition to what's discussed at meetings. I am happy to send you my AGM report if you wish to see what was and wasn't achieved - my sponsorship prospectus is also available online.

**Garrett** · 01-09-2008, 03:10 PM

ok cool thanks Dion.

Good luck to you in your current and future endeavors.

Cheers
George.

**Uki** · 01-18-2008, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Garrett

Yes, I sensed some degree of un-cooperativeness during the very brief time I was on council. I am not sure it was because of any 'faction' though.

PS - I freely admit I did extremely little during my two months on Council before having to withdraw.
cheers
George.

May I ask why you resigned from the CAQ council after such a short time?

**Uki** · 03-24-2008, 02:03 PM

As a result of the disaster under Howard Duggan as President of the CAQ tournament numbers fell to an all time low. That saw Grand prix numbers for Qld fall also to a all time low.
In 2006 Bill Powell took over Publicity officer and the numbers once again grew. Over 60 for the Qld Open. Bill could not alter the negitive culture and resigned after Howard's team savataged his roll in the CAQ. Take a look at this years numbers for the Qld Open. 3 Tournaments with a grand total of 34 players. Don't look at NSW AO, Qld is in a very bad state of afairs.
Just add up the entry fee against the prize money plus $300 paid to Garvin Gray for DOP plus Hall hire.
The CAQ will waste more money this year under Howard Duggan's mate Garvin Gray. Both these fools are from the Brisbane Chess Club.

**Rex** · 03-25-2008, 08:57 AM

Looks like a vote of no confidence to me in the CAQ council by the chess players of Qld.

**Just2Good** · 03-25-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Uki

As a result of the disaster under Howard Duggan as President of the CAQ tournament numbers fell to an all time low.

This is not surprising. Howard recently announced on the other forum that he is having an employee exodus with his Scene Online business.

Originally Posted by Uki

In 2006 Bill Powell took over Publicity officer and the numbers once again grew. Over 60 for the Qld Open.

Yes, Bill did a fantastic job as CAQ President. His most notable achievment was replacing Howard Duggan whose position on council had become untenable, and then doing a good job to contrast the new management. As you said, numbers grew under Powell's presidency.

Originally Posted by Uki

AO, Qld is in a very bad state of affairs. Just add up the entry fee against the prize money plus $300 paid to Garvin Gray for DOP plus Hall hire.

I suspect that even though the CAQ council has a relatively small talent pool with only a handful of council members (5 or less), that things are still not as bad in Queensland as they are in NSW. Keep in mind the NSWCA has, under the leadership of Bill Gletsos, lost $15,000 over the past 2 years. Until the CAQ achieves those kind of colossal losses, I won't be of the opinion things are as bad in Queensland as they are in NSW.

**Rex** · 07-25-2008, 12:29 PM

Quote:
Adam. (Chess Chat)
Will the CAQ now give $1,700 to the North QLD Championship for 2008? This would then give regional Qld the same benefit as Brisbane.

Borris. (Chess Chat).
You're living in fantasy land. To follow your argument to its logical conclusion, we should be hosting CAQ title events at regular distance intervals, say 200KMs over the entire area of Queensland. How is it any easier for a, say, Mt Isa player to attend an event in Townsville than it is to attend one in Brisbane? There is one Qld Open title event, it is normally held in the capital city, which happens to be where the highest density of chess players live.

CAQ Secretary Brian Thomas has stated on chess chat the CAQ will not support The Noth QLD Championship. While President Garven Gray has losses with CAQ money in Brisbane on Tournaments. The "C" in CAQ stands for QLD you Brisbane based fools.

07-26-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Rex

The "C" in CAQ stands for QLD you Brisbane based fools.

so what does the q stand for then?

and isn't "fools" supposed to be unparliamentary on here?

01-06-2008, 01:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
Garrett Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 12	Good luck to Qld Chess. Hopefully the Qld Interclub, which John Surridge played a key role in organising, will continue to go from strength to strength. __________________ so long, and thanks for all the fish.

01-07-2008, 06:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
Bill Powell Sunshine Coast Chess Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 41	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I think you should ask Bill Powell to put his hand up and go back on CAQ council. When Bill is on council, it really starts to perform well. But when Howard Duggan is on council, numbers go down. Thanks AO, But I will not return. After winning the December 2006 election for President over Garven Gray by 24 to 1. three of the Howard Duggan Team still on council refused to cooperate with me. So I gave it away as they were only interested in their own power and could not see what was needed for all of Qld. Big frogs in very small ponds.

01-07-2008, 07:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Sacrificing Good Volunteers for Sport Originally Posted by Bill Powell Thanks AO, But I will not return. After winning the December 1976 election for President over Garven Gray by 24 to 1. three of the Howard Duggan Team still on council refused to coperate with me. So I gave it away as they were only interested in their own power and could not see what was needed for all of Qld. Big frogs in very small ponds. I know how you feel Bill. One of Howard's friends even voted against Dion being added to council as Development Officer, and then Dion went on to do an excellent job in the role. It seems every time someone of good character and intent put their hand up to try and help the CAQ, they get pounced on! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-07-2008, 08:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
Little Black Cat Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 54	Wasn't 1976 a long time ago? __________________ Even a blind chook, pecking at the ground at random, will eventually find food!

01-07-2008, 09:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
Uki Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by Little Black Cat Wasn't 1976 a long time ago? I think Bill Powell ment 2006.

01-09-2008, 11:39 AM	#21 (permalink)
Garrett Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 12	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I know how you feel Bill. The Howard team did the same thing in villanizing me when I was CAQ Vice President. The Howard Team even voted against Dion being added to council as Development Officer, and then Dion went on to do an excellent job in the role. If I am not mistaken the Howard team then tried flogging the next CAQ Vice President, Amir (the organizor for the Surfers Paradise Open). He ended up not returning to council either. It seems every time someone of good character and intent put their hand up to try and help the CAQ, the Howard team was there to pounce on them! No wonder Bill Gletsos gets along with Howard so well. Thankfully, they no longer have a majority on council - with the primary irrationalizor and his first officer now ancient history and left to their fate of haunting Chess Chat forevermore! Yes, I sensed some degree of un-cooperativeness during the very brief time I was on council. I am not sure it was because of any 'faction' though. So what did Dion do while on Council ? Was he a silent achiever ? Perhaps he could list his accomplishments here. I am in no way doubting he was a contributer. PS - I freely admit I did extremely little during my two months on Council before having to withdraw. cheers George. __________________ so long, and thanks for all the fish.

01-09-2008, 12:24 PM	#22 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Reflections and realities for the CAQ Originally Posted by Garrett Yes, I sensed some degree of un-cooperativeness during the very brief time I was on council. I am not sure it was because of any 'faction' though. So what did Dion do while on Council ? Was he a silent achiever ? Perhaps he could list his accomplishments here. I am in no way doubting he was a contributer. PS - I freely admit I did extremely little during my two months on Council before having to withdraw. cheers George. Thanks for that George. There very much was a faction loyal to Howard when I was on council, after I left council, and probably even before. I don't know if there still is though. In one respect, provided the faction is not losing money, then its still a tenable situation even if you disagree with the way they are doing things. However, when councils lose, say $15,000 over two years, that's when factions become hugely problematic. Then they say, well, we were democratically elected to lose $15,000 - so anyone who wants to complain about the way we do things can get stuffed. Unfortunately, there is some legitimacy in that argument. Accountability basically goes out the window. That's just the reality. Back from the tangent, however, the CAQ council is now down to 5 members! In a state of 4 million plus that's pretty concerning. John Surridge owes Queensland Chess a big explanation after putting his hand up (depriving others of doing so) in December 07 and then abandoning ship one month later. That's quite unimpressive, but I guess Howard set the precedent there with his frequent resignations and retracted resignations. I recently informed council I would be interested in taking over as Treasurer if Allen Menham were willing to move into the Vice President's role, but Allen wanted to keep his position and I am therefore about 25% at best for putting my hand up for a different vacant council role. I think the fact is that some concessions have to be offered already beyond receiving a free $10 CAQ membership only in your second year as a councillor (and nothing during your first). That doesn't necessarily have to be money, maybe an end of year dinner or something along those lines. But clearly what's on offer at present isn't cutting the mustard, and isn't attracting new prospective councillors. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-09-2008, 02:01 PM	#23 (permalink)
Gendo Ikari Director Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 99	Originally Posted by Garrett Yes, I sensed some degree of un-cooperativeness during the very brief time I was on council. I am not sure it was because of any 'faction' though. So what did Dion do while on Council ? Was he a silent achiever ? Perhaps he could list his accomplishments here. I am in no way doubting he was a contributer. PS - I freely admit I did extremely little during my two months on Council before having to withdraw. cheers George. Hi George, If there's one thing you learn when in administrative roles it's that a lot goes on behind the scenes and I'm far more sympathetic to volunteers who give their time. At the same time, you don't want to be around if you haven't got the time to put in - I have too much on my plate in other areas now which is why I chose not to continue in the role and I understand why you didn't want to continue too. As you well know, there is a huge amount of email communication between councillors in addition to what's discussed at meetings. I am happy to send you my AGM report if you wish to see what was and wasn't achieved - my sponsorship prospectus is also available online.

01-09-2008, 03:10 PM	#24 (permalink)
Garrett Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 12	ok cool thanks Dion. Good luck to you in your current and future endeavors. Cheers George. __________________ so long, and thanks for all the fish.

01-18-2008, 11:04 AM	#25 (permalink)
Uki Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by Garrett Yes, I sensed some degree of un-cooperativeness during the very brief time I was on council. I am not sure it was because of any 'faction' though. PS - I freely admit I did extremely little during my two months on Council before having to withdraw. cheers George. May I ask why you resigned from the CAQ council after such a short time?

03-24-2008, 02:03 PM	#26 (permalink)
Uki Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 32	Roll back to 2005 As a result of the disaster under Howard Duggan as President of the CAQ tournament numbers fell to an all time low. That saw Grand prix numbers for Qld fall also to a all time low. In 2006 Bill Powell took over Publicity officer and the numbers once again grew. Over 60 for the Qld Open. Bill could not alter the negitive culture and resigned after Howard's team savataged his roll in the CAQ. Take a look at this years numbers for the Qld Open. 3 Tournaments with a grand total of 34 players. Don't look at NSW AO, Qld is in a very bad state of afairs. Just add up the entry fee against the prize money plus $300 paid to Garvin Gray for DOP plus Hall hire. The CAQ will waste more money this year under Howard Duggan's mate Garvin Gray. Both these fools are from the Brisbane Chess Club.

03-25-2008, 08:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
Rex Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 74	vote of no confidence Looks like a vote of no confidence to me in the CAQ council by the chess players of Qld.

03-25-2008, 10:20 AM	#28 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	NSWCA Suffering Financially Under Bill Gletsos' Presidency Originally Posted by Uki As a result of the disaster under Howard Duggan as President of the CAQ tournament numbers fell to an all time low. This is not surprising. Howard recently announced on the other forum that he is having an employee exodus with his Scene Online business. Originally Posted by Uki In 2006 Bill Powell took over Publicity officer and the numbers once again grew. Over 60 for the Qld Open. Yes, Bill did a fantastic job as CAQ President. His most notable achievment was replacing Howard Duggan whose position on council had become untenable, and then doing a good job to contrast the new management. As you said, numbers grew under Powell's presidency. Originally Posted by Uki AO, Qld is in a very bad state of affairs. Just add up the entry fee against the prize money plus $300 paid to Garvin Gray for DOP plus Hall hire. I suspect that even though the CAQ council has a relatively small talent pool with only a handful of council members (5 or less), that things are still not as bad in Queensland as they are in NSW. Keep in mind the NSWCA has, under the leadership of Bill Gletsos, lost $15,000 over the past 2 years. Until the CAQ achieves those kind of colossal losses, I won't be of the opinion things are as bad in Queensland as they are in NSW. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-25-2008, 12:29 PM	#29 (permalink)
Rex Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 74	From Chess Chat Quote: Adam. (Chess Chat) Will the CAQ now give $1,700 to the North QLD Championship for 2008? This would then give regional Qld the same benefit as Brisbane. Borris. (Chess Chat). You're living in fantasy land. To follow your argument to its logical conclusion, we should be hosting CAQ title events at regular distance intervals, say 200KMs over the entire area of Queensland. How is it any easier for a, say, Mt Isa player to attend an event in Townsville than it is to attend one in Brisbane? There is one Qld Open title event, it is normally held in the capital city, which happens to be where the highest density of chess players live. CAQ Secretary Brian Thomas has stated on chess chat the CAQ will not support The Noth QLD Championship. While President Garven Gray has losses with CAQ money in Brisbane on Tournaments. The "C" in CAQ stands for QLD you Brisbane based fools.

07-26-2008, 12:44 AM	#30 (permalink)
lotlizard Posts: n/a	Originally Posted by Rex The "C" in CAQ stands for QLD you Brisbane based fools. so what does the q stand for then? and isn't "fools" supposed to be unparliamentary on here?

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