Should Berbic have been banned for 12 months? - OzChess

**Scott Colliver** · 08-02-2011, 01:44 AM

Should Berbic have been banned for 12 months?

**Gold Coast** · 08-02-2011, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Scott Colliver

Should Berbic have been banned for 12 months?

Hi Scott,
Thanks for starting the poll.
I voted for NO, however I was debating with Kevin about "BAN" in common.
I wasn't much concerned about Berbic and trying to lift his ban.
Berbic is out of chess annyway, nobody can save him..same thing happen to Cameron de Vere who is punished more for his chesschat arguments than anything else..
I was more concerned about future "BAN"..

**Just2Good** · 08-02-2011, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Gold Coast

Hi Scott,
Thanks for starting the poll.
I voted for NO, however I was debating with Kevin about "BAN" in common.
I wasn't much concerned about Berbic and trying to lift his ban.
Berbic is out of chess annyway, nobody can save him..same thing happen to Cameron de Vere who is punished more for his chesschat arguments than anything else..
I was more concerned about future "BAN"..

Cameron still logs into OzChess and posts sometimes. Whether he left Chess Chat in disgust, however, is a matter between antichrist and Kevin, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

**antichrist** · 08-02-2011, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Cameron still logs into OzChess and posts sometimes. Whether he left Chess Chat in disgust, however, is a matter between antichrist and Kevin, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

Was he CameronD? Is Cameron his real name - I hope he was not pretending to be someone else coz he stated before he does not like that at all. Even though I consider JC a pretender

**antichrist** · 08-02-2011, 12:00 PM

Could it be allowed in the rules that a substitute player of similar strength be allowed to take his place, of course games are counted and rated to the actual player. But it could have saved the competition for FIDE-rated purposes.

**Scott Colliver** · 08-02-2011, 12:58 PM

My answer to the situation is I don't know enough to really answer but I do not have a huge problem with the ban that was given.
Scott

**Just2Good** · 08-02-2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Colliver

My answer to the situation is I don't know enough to really answer but I do not have a huge problem with the ban that was given.
Scott

Nobody does, until the ban applies to them.

**Scott Colliver** · 08-03-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Nobody does, until the ban applies to them.

Why do you think I would have a problem even then?
Scott

**Just2Good** · 08-03-2011, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Colliver

Why do you think I would have a problem even then?
Scott

Because then you wouldn't be allowed to play chess?

On the plus side, presumably your RD would go up so when you do start playing again, your rating can go up substantially if you do well in just one tournament.

**Scott Colliver** · 08-03-2011, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Because then you wouldn't be allowed to play chess?

On the plus side, presumably your RD would go up so when you do start playing again, your rating can go up substantially if you do well in just one tournament.

If I act in a bad way why should I expect to be able to play chess. Players need to meet certain levels of behaviour.
Scott

**Just2Good** · 08-03-2011, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Colliver

If I act in a bad way why should I expect to be able to play chess. Players need to meet certain levels of behaviour.
Scott

Agreed. But I am not of the view that withdrawing from a tournament is acting in a bad way or is inappropriate behaviour. Especially if you tell the DOP you are leaving so he can adjust the pairings accordingly.

**Gold Coast** · 08-03-2011, 06:37 PM

Hi Scott,
You don't know who is Gravinator!?
I don't trust his reports.
Read Mt Buller 2004/05 file at Chesschat than you will see why..

Something is wrong here..
Mirsad Berbic is an experienced international player and he must have noticed something and complained but..

CAQ refused my offer to come in the contact with Berbic and try to resolve the problem.
Berbic is a "lone wolf' and it was easy to demonstrate power on him (no one knows anything about him. He used to leave in Germany before he came to Australia - "Deutsche rating liste" around 2000 > which is 1800 ACF).
If Gene Nakauchi or George Lester would do the same thing, what would happen in this case?
Also Kevin stated that Berbic cancelled his entry once before but it was 7 days before the tournament started. Kevin said that pairings were announced but this year, for example, Garvinator changed pairings day before the competition started.

**Scott Colliver** · 08-03-2011, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Agreed. But I am not of the view that withdrawing from a tournament is acting in a bad way or is inappropriate behaviour. Especially if you tell the DOP you are leaving so he can adjust the pairings accordingly.

The seriousness of choosing to withdrawal depends on the circumstances and its impact. In some cases I would describe withdrawing as acting in a bad way.
Scott

**Scott Colliver** · 08-03-2011, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Gold Coast

Hi Scott,
You don't know who is Gravinator!?
I don't trust his reports.
Read Mt Buller 2004/05 file at Chesschat than you will see why..

Something is wrong here..
Mirsad Berbic is an experienced international player and he must have noticed something and complained but..

CAQ refused my offer to come in the contact with Berbic and try to resolve the problem.
Berbic is a "lone wolf' and it was easy to demonstrate power on him (no one knows anything about him. He used to leave in Germany before he came to Australia - "Deutsche rating liste" around 2000 > which is 1800 ACF).
If Gene Nakauchi or George Lester would do the same thing, what would happen in this case?
Also Kevin stated that Berbic cancelled his entry once before but it was 7 days before the tournament started. Kevin said that pairings were announced but thisd year, for example, Garvinator changed pairings day before the competition started.

I am not sure whether I have ever spoken to Garvin in person, I may have in January 2006 when I was in Brisbane, but I don't think so.
Scott

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08-02-2011, 01:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
Scott Colliver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 88	Should Berbic have been banned for 12 months? Should Berbic have been banned for 12 months?

08-02-2011, 08:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Gold Coast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: GOLD COAST Posts: 168	Originally Posted by Scott Colliver Should Berbic have been banned for 12 months? Hi Scott, Thanks for starting the poll. I voted for NO, however I was debating with Kevin about "BAN" in common. I wasn't much concerned about Berbic and trying to lift his ban. Berbic is out of chess annyway, nobody can save him..same thing happen to Cameron de Vere who is punished more for his chesschat arguments than anything else.. I was more concerned about future "BAN".. __________________ . . Visit my: Chesshop

08-02-2011, 10:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Gold Coast Hi Scott, Thanks for starting the poll. I voted for NO, however I was debating with Kevin about "BAN" in common. I wasn't much concerned about Berbic and trying to lift his ban. Berbic is out of chess annyway, nobody can save him..same thing happen to Cameron de Vere who is punished more for his chesschat arguments than anything else.. I was more concerned about future "BAN".. Cameron still logs into OzChess and posts sometimes. Whether he left Chess Chat in disgust, however, is a matter between antichrist and Kevin, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-02-2011, 11:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Just2Good Cameron still logs into OzChess and posts sometimes. Whether he left Chess Chat in disgust, however, is a matter between antichrist and Kevin, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did. Was he CameronD? Is Cameron his real name - I hope he was not pretending to be someone else coz he stated before he does not like that at all. Even though I consider JC a pretender

08-02-2011, 12:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Most stupid post ever? Could it be allowed in the rules that a substitute player of similar strength be allowed to take his place, of course games are counted and rated to the actual player. But it could have saved the competition for FIDE-rated purposes.

08-02-2011, 12:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Scott Colliver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 88	My answer to the situation is I don't know enough to really answer but I do not have a huge problem with the ban that was given. Scott

08-02-2011, 04:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Scott Colliver My answer to the situation is I don't know enough to really answer but I do not have a huge problem with the ban that was given. Scott Nobody does, until the ban applies to them. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-03-2011, 12:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
Scott Colliver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 88	Originally Posted by Just2Good Nobody does, until the ban applies to them. Why do you think I would have a problem even then? Scott

08-03-2011, 12:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Scott Colliver Why do you think I would have a problem even then? Scott Because then you wouldn't be allowed to play chess? On the plus side, presumably your RD would go up so when you do start playing again, your rating can go up substantially if you do well in just one tournament. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-03-2011, 01:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
Scott Colliver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 88	Originally Posted by Just2Good Because then you wouldn't be allowed to play chess? On the plus side, presumably your RD would go up so when you do start playing again, your rating can go up substantially if you do well in just one tournament. If I act in a bad way why should I expect to be able to play chess. Players need to meet certain levels of behaviour. Scott

08-03-2011, 06:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Scott Colliver If I act in a bad way why should I expect to be able to play chess. Players need to meet certain levels of behaviour. Scott Agreed. But I am not of the view that withdrawing from a tournament is acting in a bad way or is inappropriate behaviour. Especially if you tell the DOP you are leaving so he can adjust the pairings accordingly. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-03-2011, 06:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
Gold Coast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: GOLD COAST Posts: 168	Hi Scott, You don't know who is Gravinator!? I don't trust his reports. Read Mt Buller 2004/05 file at Chesschat than you will see why.. Something is wrong here.. Mirsad Berbic is an experienced international player and he must have noticed something and complained but.. CAQ refused my offer to come in the contact with Berbic and try to resolve the problem. Berbic is a "lone wolf' and it was easy to demonstrate power on him (no one knows anything about him. He used to leave in Germany before he came to Australia - "Deutsche rating liste" around 2000 > which is 1800 ACF). If Gene Nakauchi or George Lester would do the same thing, what would happen in this case? Also Kevin stated that Berbic cancelled his entry once before but it was 7 days before the tournament started. Kevin said that pairings were announced but this year, for example, Garvinator changed pairings day before the competition started. __________________ . . Visit my: Chesshop Last edited by Gold Coast : 08-03-2011 at 06:50 PM

08-03-2011, 06:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
Scott Colliver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 88	Originally Posted by Just2Good Agreed. But I am not of the view that withdrawing from a tournament is acting in a bad way or is inappropriate behaviour. Especially if you tell the DOP you are leaving so he can adjust the pairings accordingly. The seriousness of choosing to withdrawal depends on the circumstances and its impact. In some cases I would describe withdrawing as acting in a bad way. Scott

08-03-2011, 06:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
Scott Colliver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 88	Originally Posted by Gold Coast Hi Scott, You don't know who is Gravinator!? I don't trust his reports. Read Mt Buller 2004/05 file at Chesschat than you will see why.. Something is wrong here.. Mirsad Berbic is an experienced international player and he must have noticed something and complained but.. CAQ refused my offer to come in the contact with Berbic and try to resolve the problem. Berbic is a "lone wolf' and it was easy to demonstrate power on him (no one knows anything about him. He used to leave in Germany before he came to Australia - "Deutsche rating liste" around 2000 > which is 1800 ACF). If Gene Nakauchi or George Lester would do the same thing, what would happen in this case? Also Kevin stated that Berbic cancelled his entry once before but it was 7 days before the tournament started. Kevin said that pairings were announced but thisd year, for example, Garvinator changed pairings day before the competition started. I am not sure whether I have ever spoken to Garvin in person, I may have in January 2006 when I was in Brisbane, but I don't think so. Scott

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