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**Iconoclast** · 09-12-2010, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

Now, a kid from a not so well off family can pay $100 buy Fritz,

Come to my school and see kids begging for money at lunch time to buy their first feed of the day.

PS, and have parents who will hock computers to feed their habit.

**Iconoclast** · 09-12-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Unfortunately you are not past the point of using hydras.
Yes you are currently misrepresenting the actual number of online users via your "fake user" modification by showing an additional 11 members and 50 guests who are actually not online at all.
True it does not mean they are all hydras but given the additional 11 names are randomly selected by your "fake user" modification then some of those selected could be hydras.

Get another hobby.

**Jaydon** · 09-12-2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

If anything the readily available computer programs have levelled the playing field so that now it is not just the rich kids who can afford a chess coach who excel. Now, a kid from a not so well off family can pay $100 buy Fritz, and if he or she puts the time in, they can now compete with the human coached snobby kids.

I have a couple of problems with this

Firstly are you quite sure that a 'not so well off family' can afford to pay $100 for a chess program? I cant say I agree with that.

Also you're saying that any kid who receives chess coaching is snobby.. and that anyone who isn't 'snobby' needs fritz to compete. This doesn't make sense to me

**Admin** · 09-12-2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Come to my school and see kids begging for money at lunch time to buy their first feed of the day.

Seriously? Do they skip breakfast because they don't like what is available at home, or because nothing is available at home?

**Iconoclast** · 09-12-2010, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by JaK

Mate, how long has it been since you 've done serious maths? Calculators can do advanced Calculus stuff these days!!!
There some online ones, have a look here
Calculus Calculators

Yes, calculators are pretty tricked up nowadays programmable and all. I meant calculators as kids and everyday workers use them.

To avoid bookish variations not necessarily prepared with computer help though.

Yes exactly. While I am not going to go digging deeper into my favored openings with a computer, others do use computers and that is, I feel, cheating. Analysis with computers is, I feel, canceling out the human in the opening part of the equation. That is another reason people look to Fischer Random for relief from opening drills.

**JaK** · 09-12-2010, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

That is another reason people look to Fischer Random for relief from opening drills.

Remember at Doeberl when they had the FR tournament and I asked you if you were gonna play but you couldn't cauz you had promised to take the kids to the Festival???
I stayed back but I didn't play.. You know they showed the position on the big screen and players had like 5-10 minutes to study the position then they played and after the end they reversed colours on the same position.
It was really interesting, but I observed a few other things that I would rather discuss in private with you.

**Just2Good** · 09-12-2010, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by JaK

... I observed a few other things that I would rather discuss in private with you.

That wasn't Jimmy's fault, there was a perfectly logical explanation for that!

**Iconoclast** · 09-13-2010, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Admin

Seriously? Do they skip breakfast because they don't like what is available at home, or because nothing is available at home?

Fully serious. We even put on free breakfasts, but many don't turn up until late morning from a dysfunctional home with no food in it.

*** When middle class administrators of Australian chess get upset with me for a four letter word, when this kind of deprivation is happening in their city, they look so petty, so naive, so shallow, so full of cant, I feel sickened. ***

**mowcop** · 03-21-2011, 10:53 AM

On the AUSJCL website, it is giving the dates for the 2012 Australian Junior Champs as 14-22 January.

Is this definitely when the event will take place as there is a clash with the Queenstown tournament and I, like I guess quite a few others, need to work out our schedule.

Thanks

Carl Gorka

**Iconoclast** · 03-21-2011, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by mowcop

On the AUSJCL website, it is giving the dates for the 2012 Australian Junior Champs as 14-22 January.

Is this definitely when the event will take place as there is a clash with the Queenstown tournament and I, like I guess quite a few others, need to work out our schedule.

Thanks

Carl Gorka

There are some very competent volunteers in the AUSJCL. I would trust their website.

09-12-2010, 04:05 PM	#61 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Simon Now, a kid from a not so well off family can pay $100 buy Fritz, Come to my school and see kids begging for money at lunch time to buy their first feed of the day. PS, and have parents who will hock computers to feed their habit. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals. Last edited by Iconoclast : 09-12-2010 at 04:08 PM Reason: PS

09-12-2010, 04:14 PM	#62 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Unfortunately you are not past the point of using hydras. Yes you are currently misrepresenting the actual number of online users via your "fake user" modification by showing an additional 11 members and 50 guests who are actually not online at all. True it does not mean they are all hydras but given the additional 11 names are randomly selected by your "fake user" modification then some of those selected could be hydras. Get another hobby. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-12-2010, 04:17 PM	#63 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Simon If anything the readily available computer programs have levelled the playing field so that now it is not just the rich kids who can afford a chess coach who excel. Now, a kid from a not so well off family can pay $100 buy Fritz, and if he or she puts the time in, they can now compete with the human coached snobby kids. I have a couple of problems with this Firstly are you quite sure that a 'not so well off family' can afford to pay $100 for a chess program? I cant say I agree with that. Also you're saying that any kid who receives chess coaching is snobby.. and that anyone who isn't 'snobby' needs fritz to compete. This doesn't make sense to me

09-12-2010, 04:17 PM	#64 (permalink)
Admin Administrator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 34	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Come to my school and see kids begging for money at lunch time to buy their first feed of the day. Seriously? Do they skip breakfast because they don't like what is available at home, or because nothing is available at home?

09-12-2010, 04:31 PM	#65 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by JaK Mate, how long has it been since you 've done serious maths? Calculators can do advanced Calculus stuff these days!!! There some online ones, have a look here Calculus Calculators Yes, calculators are pretty tricked up nowadays programmable and all. I meant calculators as kids and everyday workers use them. To avoid bookish variations not necessarily prepared with computer help though. Yes exactly. While I am not going to go digging deeper into my favored openings with a computer, others do use computers and that is, I feel, cheating. Analysis with computers is, I feel, canceling out the human in the opening part of the equation. That is another reason people look to Fischer Random for relief from opening drills. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-12-2010, 09:59 PM	#66 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	Originally Posted by Iconoclast That is another reason people look to Fischer Random for relief from opening drills. Remember at Doeberl when they had the FR tournament and I asked you if you were gonna play but you couldn't cauz you had promised to take the kids to the Festival??? I stayed back but I didn't play.. You know they showed the position on the big screen and players had like 5-10 minutes to study the position then they played and after the end they reversed colours on the same position. It was really interesting, but I observed a few other things that I would rather discuss in private with you.

09-12-2010, 10:04 PM	#67 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by JaK ... I observed a few other things that I would rather discuss in private with you. That wasn't Jimmy's fault, there was a perfectly logical explanation for that! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

09-13-2010, 06:30 PM	#68 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Admin Seriously? Do they skip breakfast because they don't like what is available at home, or because nothing is available at home? Fully serious. We even put on free breakfasts, but many don't turn up until late morning from a dysfunctional home with no food in it. * When middle class administrators of Australian chess get upset with me for a four letter word, when this kind of deprivation is happening in their city, they look so petty, so naive, so shallow, so full of cant, I feel sickened. * __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-21-2011, 10:53 AM	#69 (permalink)
mowcop fireeater Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 825	On the AUSJCL website, it is giving the dates for the 2012 Australian Junior Champs as 14-22 January. Is this definitely when the event will take place as there is a clash with the Queenstown tournament and I, like I guess quite a few others, need to work out our schedule. Thanks Carl Gorka __________________ Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand I'm trying out a new blog site..... http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/

03-21-2011, 12:46 PM	#70 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by mowcop On the AUSJCL website, it is giving the dates for the 2012 Australian Junior Champs as 14-22 January. Is this definitely when the event will take place as there is a clash with the Queenstown tournament and I, like I guess quite a few others, need to work out our schedule. Thanks Carl Gorka There are some very competent volunteers in the AUSJCL. I would trust their website. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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