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09-20-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Tell us all why the advent of the AJCL has not been followed in the ACF Newsletter?

Well, now that the progress documented above has occurred, you might be able to see why your rubbish in the leadup was all such a non-event.

Had you complied with my conditions for answering the question you would have got an answer like the following:

Nothing has yet appeared in the Newsletter because no-one has as yet submitted anything for publication, an obvious reason for this being that no formal decision has yet been taken to report.

Yet you persisted with paranoid conspiracy theory rubbish about Council wanting to kill off the concept, and you have again been entirely discredited.

**Iconoclast** · 09-20-2008, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ophiuchus

Had you complied with my conditions for answering the question you would have got an answer like the following:

Nothing has yet appeared in the Newsletter because no-one has as yet submitted anything for publication, an obvious reason for this being that no formal decision has yet been taken to report.

You should have just said it without "conditions." You did not. You look like the uncooperative unhelpful unreliable VP who is unfit to hold office.

Yet you persisted with paranoid conspiracy theory rubbish about Council wanting to kill off the concept, and you have again been entirely discredited.

No, not entirely. I continue to predict the ACF will pull rank and backstab and bleed the AJCL with fees and then bash it with conditions. BTW, I never suggested a conspiracy, just that some people would/will do the dirty.

09-20-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

You look like the uncooperative unhelpful unreliable VP who is unfit to hold office.

Posted by a person too unreliable, unhelpful and uncooperative to show up for or apologise for missing NSWCA meetings after accepting appointment. I just see no reason why I should be cooperative or helpful to vindictive abusive unconstructive trolls like you who are utterly irrelevant to the future of junior chess in this country and have no clue about the issues.

No, not entirely. I continue to predict the ACF will pull rank and backstab and bleed the AJCL with fees and then bash it with conditions.

This is just you moving the goalposts to somewhere else equally silly after the first set fell on your head.

BTW, I never suggested a conspiracy, just that some people would/will do the dirty.

And if more than one of them worked together covertly to "do the dirty" it would have been a conspiracy by definition.

**Just2Good** · 09-21-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I continue to predict the ACF will pull rank and backstab and bleed the AJCL with fees and then bash it with conditions.

After squeezing Libby for a couple grand I would be unsurprised if your prediction eventuates Matt. I also doubt that Libby will get any mention in the ACF newsletter for her selfless act.

Best Regards,

AO

**Black-Wolf** · 09-21-2008, 03:13 PM

In Siberia there is no league for children. Talented kids are taken under the wings of a skilled grandmaster as apprentice - eventually grandmaster themselves they become and process starts all over again!

**Sobriquet** · 11-13-2008, 08:48 AM

I see that formal advice is now out that the AusJCL has taken over junior national affairs from 1 November. Calls are out to have a nominated person for the AusJCL to deal with on issues.

Now that the mechanics are nearly out of the way, the agenda for first meetings should reflect the priorities for the fledgling organization.

Anyone have a view on what are the top three items?

**Sobriquet** · 12-03-2008, 08:19 PM

Australian Junior Chess League
Notice of Annual General Meeting

The first AGM of the AusJCL is to be held on Sunday 11th January 2009, 1:30pm at St Ignatius College, Athelstone, Adelaide.

Nominations for the following council positions must be received by Sunday 4th January, as per the AusJCL constitution:

President
Vice President
Secretary
Treasurer
Junior Development Co-ordinator
Events Co-ordinator
Selections administrator
3 ordinary council members

Nominations for the above positions can be emailed to ausjcl@gmail.com

Anyone wishing to place an item on general business, should e-mail the Secretary Tracy Gray at ausjcl@gmail.com no later than 28 December.

Junior Tournaments

Two major Australian junior tournaments are happening soon.

The first is the Australian Schools Teams Championship (ASTC), on the weekend of the 6th and 7th December and for the first time featuring a team from Northern Territory

The second of course is the Australian Juniors to be held early in January.

Both of these are being held in South Australia.

For more information see

The South Australian Junior Chess League Inc

**LearningChess** · 04-23-2009, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sobriquet

Australian Junior Chess League
Notice of Annual General Meeting

The first AGM of the AusJCL is to be held on Sunday 11th January 2009, 1:30pm at St Ignatius College, Athelstone, Adelaide.

Nominations for the following council positions must be received by Sunday 4th January, as per the AusJCL constitution:

President
Vice President
Secretary
Treasurer
Junior Development Co-ordinator
Events Co-ordinator
Selections administrator
3 ordinary council members

Nominations for the above positions can be emailed to ausjcl@gmail.com

Anyone wishing to place an item on general business, should e-mail the Secretary Tracy Gray at ausjcl@gmail.com no later than 28 December.

Junior Tournaments

Two major Australian junior tournaments are happening soon.

The first is the Australian Schools Teams Championship (ASTC), on the weekend of the 6th and 7th December and for the first time featuring a team from Northern Territory

The second of course is the Australian Juniors to be held early in January.

Both of these are being held in South Australia.

For more information see

The South Australian Junior Chess League Inc

Was there any follow up regarding how the AGM went?

**MOZ** · 05-15-2009, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Kerry Lyall
Junior Development Officer
Australian Junior Chess League...<information generally available in a number of e-mails and bbs>.

The following children have been selected and will be attending the Australian Junior Chess League Junior Development Squad.

- Andrew Brown
- Natasha Bortsava
- Alistair Cameron
- Emma Guo
- Sam Grigg
- Vincent Horton
- Sebastain Jule
- Yi Liu
- Luthien Russell
- Leteisha Simmonds
- Zachary Searle
- Alana Chibnall
- Caroline Shan
- Joanne Mason
- Stuart Mason
- Ethan Derwent
- Callum Gray
- Jonas Muller
- Martin Jack
- Jana Petorius
- Jason Tang
- Gene Lai
- Abbie Kanagarajah
- Mirakla Mithran
- Miranda Web-Liddle
- Alannah Byrne
- Nicholas Deen Cowell

Congratulations to all these children.

Three members of the Box Hill Chess Club selected.

Good luck to all.

**Lakshman** · 05-15-2009, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Three members of the Box Hill Chess Club selected.

Good luck to all.

Congratulations to all and in particular BHCC members. Best of Luck.

**Firegoat7** · 08-21-2010, 10:13 PM

I withdraw my previous statement

**Just2Good** · 08-22-2010, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Where are the national events for children?

I don't know.

Do we need chess events for kids only? I play chess for the fun of it, isn't that why most kids play as well?

**Thomas Bishop** · 09-01-2010, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Comeback Kid

I don't know.

Do we need chess events for kids only? I play chess for the fun of it, isn't that why most kids play as well?

As there seem to be far more kids playing chess these days, having kid only events does seem appropriate.

**JaK** · 09-01-2010, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop

As there seem to be far more kids playing chess these days, having kid only events does seem appropriate.

Then some argue that kids gain experience by playing in adult tournaments. However, the reality is that adults are the ones who gain experience since, usually it's the juniors who have a field day when they play vs adults.
Let's face it, the way kids are coached and disciplined by programs offered in Victoria, (I don't know about other States) contributes to their speedy improvement.

**Ninja** · 09-01-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Comeback Kid

I play chess for the fun of it, isn't that why most kids play as well?

I find my son plays chess for the fun of it and what he finds fun is beating the adults at their own game. ie loves 90+30 and hates playing other kids

09-20-2008, 05:55 PM	#31 (permalink)
Ophiuchus Posts: n/a	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Tell us all why the advent of the AJCL has not been followed in the ACF Newsletter? Well, now that the progress documented above has occurred, you might be able to see why your rubbish in the leadup was all such a non-event. Had you complied with my conditions for answering the question you would have got an answer like the following: Nothing has yet appeared in the Newsletter because no-one has as yet submitted anything for publication, an obvious reason for this being that no formal decision has yet been taken to report. Yet you persisted with paranoid conspiracy theory rubbish about Council wanting to kill off the concept, and you have again been entirely discredited.

09-20-2008, 07:31 PM	#32 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Ophiuchus Had you complied with my conditions for answering the question you would have got an answer like the following: Nothing has yet appeared in the Newsletter because no-one has as yet submitted anything for publication, an obvious reason for this being that no formal decision has yet been taken to report. You should have just said it without "conditions." You did not. You look like the uncooperative unhelpful unreliable VP who is unfit to hold office. Yet you persisted with paranoid conspiracy theory rubbish about Council wanting to kill off the concept, and you have again been entirely discredited. No, not entirely. I continue to predict the ACF will pull rank and backstab and bleed the AJCL with fees and then bash it with conditions. BTW, I never suggested a conspiracy, just that some people would/will do the dirty. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-20-2008, 09:35 PM	#33 (permalink)
Ophiuchus Posts: n/a	Originally Posted by Iconoclast You look like the uncooperative unhelpful unreliable VP who is unfit to hold office. Posted by a person too unreliable, unhelpful and uncooperative to show up for or apologise for missing NSWCA meetings after accepting appointment. I just see no reason why I should be cooperative or helpful to vindictive abusive unconstructive trolls like you who are utterly irrelevant to the future of junior chess in this country and have no clue about the issues. No, not entirely. I continue to predict the ACF will pull rank and backstab and bleed the AJCL with fees and then bash it with conditions. This is just you moving the goalposts to somewhere else equally silly after the first set fell on your head. BTW, I never suggested a conspiracy, just that some people would/will do the dirty. And if more than one of them worked together covertly to "do the dirty" it would have been a conspiracy by definition. Last edited by Ophiuchus : 09-20-2008 at 09:46 PM

09-21-2008, 03:00 PM	#34 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Iconoclast I continue to predict the ACF will pull rank and backstab and bleed the AJCL with fees and then bash it with conditions. After squeezing Libby for a couple grand I would be unsurprised if your prediction eventuates Matt. I also doubt that Libby will get any mention in the ACF newsletter for her selfless act. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

09-21-2008, 03:13 PM	#35 (permalink)
Black-Wolf Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Omsk, Siberia Posts: 40	In Siberia there is no league for children. Talented kids are taken under the wings of a skilled grandmaster as apprentice - eventually grandmaster themselves they become and process starts all over again! __________________ Повинуйтесь и черный волк не съест вас!

11-13-2008, 08:48 AM	#36 (permalink)
Sobriquet Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 128	I see that formal advice is now out that the AusJCL has taken over junior national affairs from 1 November. Calls are out to have a nominated person for the AusJCL to deal with on issues. Now that the mechanics are nearly out of the way, the agenda for first meetings should reflect the priorities for the fledgling organization. Anyone have a view on what are the top three items?

12-03-2008, 08:19 PM	#37 (permalink)
Sobriquet Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 128	Australian Junior Chess League Notice of Annual General Meeting The first AGM of the AusJCL is to be held on Sunday 11th January 2009, 1:30pm at St Ignatius College, Athelstone, Adelaide. Nominations for the following council positions must be received by Sunday 4th January, as per the AusJCL constitution: President Vice President Secretary Treasurer Junior Development Co-ordinator Events Co-ordinator Selections administrator 3 ordinary council members Nominations for the above positions can be emailed to ausjcl@gmail.com Anyone wishing to place an item on general business, should e-mail the Secretary Tracy Gray at ausjcl@gmail.com no later than 28 December. Junior Tournaments Two major Australian junior tournaments are happening soon. The first is the Australian Schools Teams Championship (ASTC), on the weekend of the 6th and 7th December and for the first time featuring a team from Northern Territory The second of course is the Australian Juniors to be held early in January. Both of these are being held in South Australia. For more information see The South Australian Junior Chess League Inc

04-23-2009, 07:56 PM	#38 (permalink)
LearningChess I like chess! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Armidale, NSW Posts: 20	Originally Posted by Sobriquet Australian Junior Chess League Notice of Annual General Meeting The first AGM of the AusJCL is to be held on Sunday 11th January 2009, 1:30pm at St Ignatius College, Athelstone, Adelaide. Nominations for the following council positions must be received by Sunday 4th January, as per the AusJCL constitution: President Vice President Secretary Treasurer Junior Development Co-ordinator Events Co-ordinator Selections administrator 3 ordinary council members Nominations for the above positions can be emailed to ausjcl@gmail.com Anyone wishing to place an item on general business, should e-mail the Secretary Tracy Gray at ausjcl@gmail.com no later than 28 December. Junior Tournaments Two major Australian junior tournaments are happening soon. The first is the Australian Schools Teams Championship (ASTC), on the weekend of the 6th and 7th December and for the first time featuring a team from Northern Territory The second of course is the Australian Juniors to be held early in January. Both of these are being held in South Australia. For more information see The South Australian Junior Chess League Inc Was there any follow up regarding how the AGM went?

05-15-2009, 12:08 AM	#39 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Australian Junior Chess League - Junior Development Squad Originally Posted by Kerry Lyall Junior Development Officer Australian Junior Chess League...<information generally available in a number of e-mails and bbs>. The following children have been selected and will be attending the Australian Junior Chess League Junior Development Squad. - Andrew Brown - Natasha Bortsava - Alistair Cameron - Emma Guo - Sam Grigg - Vincent Horton - Sebastain Jule - Yi Liu - Luthien Russell - Leteisha Simmonds - Zachary Searle - Alana Chibnall - Caroline Shan - Joanne Mason - Stuart Mason - Ethan Derwent - Callum Gray - Jonas Muller - Martin Jack - Jana Petorius - Jason Tang - Gene Lai - Abbie Kanagarajah - Mirakla Mithran - Miranda Web-Liddle - Alannah Byrne - Nicholas Deen Cowell Congratulations to all these children. Three members of the Box Hill Chess Club selected. Good luck to all. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game. Last edited by MOZ : 05-16-2009 at 10:07 PM

05-15-2009, 11:27 AM	#40 (permalink)
Lakshman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 329	Originally Posted by MOZ Three members of the Box Hill Chess Club selected. Good luck to all. Congratulations to all and in particular BHCC members. Best of Luck. __________________ God is Great

08-21-2010, 10:13 PM	#41 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	I withdraw my previous statement __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic Last edited by Firegoat7 : 08-24-2010 at 03:39 AM

08-22-2010, 05:33 AM	#42 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Where are the national events for children? I don't know. Do we need chess events for kids only? I play chess for the fun of it, isn't that why most kids play as well? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

09-01-2010, 08:42 AM	#43 (permalink)
Thomas Bishop Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 248	Originally Posted by Comeback Kid I don't know. Do we need chess events for kids only? I play chess for the fun of it, isn't that why most kids play as well? As there seem to be far more kids playing chess these days, having kid only events does seem appropriate.

09-01-2010, 04:13 PM	#44 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop As there seem to be far more kids playing chess these days, having kid only events does seem appropriate. Then some argue that kids gain experience by playing in adult tournaments. However, the reality is that adults are the ones who gain experience since, usually it's the juniors who have a field day when they play vs adults. Let's face it, the way kids are coached and disciplined by programs offered in Victoria, (I don't know about other States) contributes to their speedy improvement.

09-01-2010, 10:36 PM	#45 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	Originally Posted by Comeback Kid I play chess for the fun of it, isn't that why most kids play as well? I find my son plays chess for the fun of it and what he finds fun is beating the adults at their own game. ie loves 90+30 and hates playing other kids

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