Chesschat - The Great ACF Lie - OzChess

**Firegoat7** · 01-15-2008, 04:55 PM

The great lie from the ACF is that it does not control Chesschat. The "official" policy is one that states Chesschat is a 'private' board, with no ACF involvement. But, the ACF uses Chesschat to provide information. So what!, says the ordinary user! Surely the ACF has the right to place its information where it wants.

Well, the problem is that some people believe that if the ACF was neutral, it ought to conduct its business on numerous boards, not just Chesschat. At the very least it the ACF ought to , as a democratic institution, qualify what its official policy is. Bearing these points in mind, consider this latest official media release from the ACF.

Originally Posted by Newsletter

I expect to declare applications open, via the ACF Newsletter and via a post to the Olympiad Notices thread on the ChessChat forum (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=7026) around early April.

So whats the story? The ACF regards Chesschat as its official carrier of information. Now here is my question. Was there ever a vote at the ACF level that democratically decided that this would be public policy for the ACF?

If not, why not?

cheers Fg7

**MichaelBaron** · 01-15-2008, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

The great lie from the ACF is that it does not control Chesschat. The "official" policy is one that states Chesschat is a 'private' board, with no ACF involvement. But, the ACF uses Chesschat to provide information. So what!, says the ordinary user! Surely the ACF has the right to place its information where it wants.

Well, the problem is that some people believe that if the ACF was neutral, it ought to conduct its business on numerous boards, not just Chesschat.

Firegoat, Has Ozchess approached ACF and informed them of willingness to display ACF information etc. ? Furthermore, ACF webmaster could be requested to publish a link to OzChess forum as ACF website is meant to contain links to australian chess-related websites.

If ACF has been informed about OzChess and asked for cooperation ..and the offer was rejected I agree with your positiong 100%! However, if it has been "assumed" that ACF is not interested in posting at Ozchess...i think you are being too harsh

.

My personal view is that ACF is ignoring OzChess...but i may be wrong.

**phild707** · 01-15-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

The great lie from the ACF is that it does not control Chesschat. The "official" policy is one that states Chesschat is a 'private' board, with no ACF involvement. But, the ACF uses Chesschat to provide information. So what!, says the ordinary user! Surely the ACF has the right to place its information where it wants.

Well, the problem is that some people believe that if the ACF was neutral, it ought to conduct its business on numerous boards, not just Chesschat. At the very least it the ACF ought to , as a democratic institution, qualify what its official policy is. Bearing these points in mind, consider this latest official media release from the ACF.

So whats the story? The ACF regards Chesschat as its official carrier of information. Now here is my question. Was there ever a vote at the ACF level that democratically decided that this would be public policy for the ACF?

If not, why not?

cheers Fg7

Yes I noticed that one too. Again ChessChat is the officially annointed "de facto" publicity arm of the ACF.
By the way who were the "Best Regards" actually from in the newsletter?
I couldn't see a claim to authorship anywhere but perhaps I missed something.

Also while we are on the topic of the AustrAiling Chess Federation whatever happened to the much vaunted ACF website upgrade that we were promised last year??

I was there today and semed to be the same old same old web site.
On the links page there the link to the Burnie Club site has been dead for over a year now. I have written to the web master to inform him of this but whether or nor not the webmaster himself is also dead remains to be seen.

I'll let you know when I find out.

**phild707** · 01-15-2008, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelBaron

Firegoat, Has Ozchess approached ACF and informed them of willingness to display ACF information etc. ? Furthermore, ACF webmaster could be requested to publish a link to OzChess forum as ACF website is meant to contain links to australian chess-related websites.

If ACF has been informed about OzChess and asked for cooperation ..and the offer was rejected I agree with your positiong 100%! However, if it has been "assumed" that ACF is not interested in posting at Ozchess...i think you are being too harsh .

My personal view is that ACF is ignoring OzChess...but i may be wrong.

I am sure that approaches along the lines that you suggest have been rebuffed/ignored in the past.
The OZChess site moderators should be able to clarify this point.

**Just2Good** · 01-16-2008, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by MichaelBaron

Firegoat, Has Ozchess approached ACF and informed them of willingness to display ACF information etc?

Not yet but it is on the agenda. People sometimes forget that most of these types of tasks ultimately fall to me and my time is in short supply. That's why I will be happy when a third owner comes on board to join Matt and I later this year (won't say who yet, but he is a Victorian).

Originally Posted by MichaelBaron

However, if it has been "assumed" that ACF is not interested in posting at Ozchess...i think you are being too harsh.

But this assumption is based on logic. Bill Gletsos dislikes Matt Sweeney who is part owner of this site. Kevin Bonham started a thread at Chess Chat entitled Toolbox to denigrate OzChess and myself. And Dennis Jessop remarked that OzChess rots the brain. All of these people are senior ranking officials in the ACF.

Originally Posted by MichaelBaron

My personal view is that ACF is ignoring OzChess...but i may be wrong.

Well, they are certainly not wishing it well (the ACF officials who are aware of OzChess anyway) because often views are freely expressed here which are critical or otherwise undesirable to the ACF.

For instance, full and unhampered discussion regarding the CAQ's motion for the ACF Ratings Officer to release RD's publicly. To my knowledge this issue was only ever discussed here and not at Chess Chat (and even if I am wrong on that point, it was certainly raised as an issue here first). What does this tell us?

**MichaelBaron** · 01-16-2008, 01:07 PM

In around 2 months time (as i am busy with other projects now).

I am going to make ACF an offer on its Website. I am happy to maintain and update the website for free and pay the ongoing costs (e.g web hosting). In exchange i would like to be able to use the website for commercial purposes (e.g sale of chess books, e-marketing etc.).

The problem is: a) I have some doubts that the current ACF administration will be interested in my offer due to 'political reasons" b) I do not be very comfortable (to be honest) working with the current ACF administration.
c) I do not have that much time on my hands right now

Here at OzChess, I admire owner's decision to avoid advertising/commercial activities. This is very noble of them (i would never be that generous to be honest). However, i think a little bit of Google advertising and a shopping cart would not hurt too much. It is always good when website managers are able to make a bit of money. The money can always be reinvested into a website.

Anyway, I am going to get a chance to catch up with Firegoat (hopefully) during the Aus Day Open (I am going to play irrespectively of whether i win a free entry or not in the tense struggle between mine Rh3 and Arrigant-One's h5

) and may be i will be able to help out.

Aus Day Open ICC competition is a great idea..and a wonderful example of colloboration between ICC and OzChat and MCC

. Pity my free 7 day membership will expire by then (plus there is a festival at Fitsroy gardens on Sunday involving free dancing lessons and opportunity to meet heaps of cute asian girls)...or well...i wonder if i can register another free account with ICC using another email address

. would be fun to play other aus players in an internet tourney.

As I mentioned earlier, I think if we want to see OzChess grow, we should all do our level best to contribute! (Guys, Please do not forget about my offer of free analysis at Aus Day Open weekender if you bring 2 friends or 1 friend who is new to MCC). Furthermore, I think it is good for a chess forum to be associated with chess clubs, communities, federations etc. It is great to see such a "love affair" between Ozchess and MCC. I think chess clubs in other states (as well as other Victorian clubs) should follow the suit!

**KiD** · 01-16-2008, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

The great lie from the ACF is that it does not control Chesschat. The "official" policy is one that states Chesschat is a 'private' board, with no ACF involvement. But, the ACF uses Chesschat to provide information. So what!, says the ordinary user! Surely the ACF has the right to place its information where it wants.

Well, the problem is that some people believe that if the ACF was neutral, it ought to conduct its business on numerous boards, not just Chesschat. At the very least it the ACF ought to , as a democratic institution, qualify what its official policy is. Bearing these points in mind, consider this latest official media release from the ACF.

So whats the story? The ACF regards Chesschat as its official carrier of information. Now here is my question. Was there ever a vote at the ACF level that democratically decided that this would be public policy for the ACF?

If not, why not?

cheers Fg7

I see this as nothing more than an ACF executive, in his personal capacity and with the good intention of making what he deems important information more available to the public, deciding to post in a publicly accessible forum.

From my reading of the full context in the newsletter, he made it clear that the newsletter was the only official venue for such information, but he is using his personal time to also distribute it through an additional mailing list and chesschat. Nothing wrong with that.

In the same vein, I don't see anything wrong with macavity exclusively posting MCC tournament results and draws on chesschat - I don't look at chesschat as the officially endorsed bulletin board by the MCC.

**phild707** · 01-16-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Not yet but it is on the agenda...

Do it AO!
10 minutes should be enough to draft a request to the ACF.
Otherwise there is no point in complaining about their negative attitudes if you haven't actually asked the question.

**phild707** · 01-16-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelBaron

In around 2 months time (as i am busy with other projects now).

I am going to make ACF an offer on its Website. I am happy to maintain and update the website for free and pay the ongoing costs (e.g web hosting). In exchange i would like to be able to use the website for commercial purposes (e.g sale of chess books, e-marketing etc.).

Do it Michael!
The Australian Chess community will be eternally grateful to you.

**phild707** · 01-16-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by KiD

I see this as nothing more than an ACF executive, in his personal capacity and with the good intention of making what he deems important information more available to the public, deciding to post in a publicly accessible forum.

From my reading of the full context in the newsletter, he made it clear that the newsletter was the only official venue for such information, but he is using his personal time to also distribute it through an additional mailing list and chesschat. Nothing wrong with that.

In the same vein, I don't see anything wrong with macavity exclusively posting MCC tournament results and draws on chesschat - I don't look at chesschat as the officially endorsed bulletin board by the MCC.

At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious....
The ACF has a responsibility to the wider Aus. Chess community to keep it informed.
The same is not the case for the MCC.
If the ACF feels it should make use of Chess bulletin boards to disseminate information (media releases if you like) then this should be done in a fair, even handed way to any/all active Chess bulletin boards.
Else the ACF will be perceived as being a den of cronyism.

**KiD** · 01-16-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by phild707

At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious....
The ACF has a responsibility to the wider Aus. Chess community to keep it informed.

Fulfilled through the official website (http://www.auschess.org) and official newsletter

Originally Posted by phild707

If the ACF feels it should make use of Chess bulletin boards to disseminate information (media releases if you like) then this should be done in a fair, even handed way to any/all active Chess bulletin boards.
Else the ACF will be perceived as being a den of cronyism.

Should an ACF official decide to go over and above the official channels, like additionally posting in a publicly available bulletin board, that's his prerogative and, in my opinion, should be applauded for going above and beyond the call of duty.

This is the reason why I put the MCC analogy in - posting on chesschat is additional and voluntary work, not an official requirement of the job.

**Firegoat7** · 01-16-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by KiD

This is the reason why I put the MCC analogy in - posting on chesschat is additional and voluntary work, not an official requirement of the job.

Your analogy is simply wrong.

In its own newsletter the ACF states what its public policy will be. Its public policy is connected with Chesschat.
The ACF is announcing calls for Olympic selection on Chesschat. The ACF is supposed to fulfill the function of Olympic selection. That is part of its role. That is its job.

Chesschat should have no active role in the procedure, unless the ACF has a democratic policy set in place. Which of course, as Phil pointed out, would be in its best interest i.e freedom of information.

They ACF ought to simply be a little bit more honest with people. It should publicly explain its political decision to use Chesschat. It should have to justify why it wont use other sites like Ozchess to provide public information to chess players.

Trying to blame individual volunteer choice is simply misleading. The ACF needs to take responsibility for its own official voice. The voices and messages it CHOOSES to officially provide for public record, like its newsletter.

cheers Fg7

**phild707** · 01-17-2008, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by phild707

I was there today and semed to be the same old same old web site.
On the links page there the link to the Burnie Club site has been dead for over a year now. I have written to the web master to inform him of this but whether or nor not the webmaster himself is also dead remains to be seen.

I'll let you know when I find out.

The ACF does have an active web master, Russell Murray.
He has promised to fix the broken link.

**KiD** · 01-17-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Your analogy is simply wrong.

In its own newsletter the ACF states what its public policy will be. Its public policy is connected with Chesschat.
The ACF is announcing calls for Olympic selection on Chesschat. The ACF is supposed to fulfill the function of Olympic selection. That is part of its role. That is its job.

Chesschat should have no active role in the procedure, unless the ACF has a democratic policy set in place. Which of course, as Phil pointed out, would be in its best interest i.e freedom of information.

They ACF ought to simply be a little bit more honest with people. It should publicly explain its political decision to use Chesschat. It should have to justify why it wont use other sites like Ozchess to provide public information to chess players.

Trying to blame individual volunteer choice is simply misleading. The ACF needs to take responsibility for its own official voice. The voices and messages it CHOOSES to officially provide for public record, like its newsletter.

cheers Fg7

So, had there been no mention of chesschat in the newsletter at all, and these individual volunteers just decide to use official channels (i.e. newsletter, official ACF website) and nothing else, you would have no problem?

**Firegoat7** · 01-17-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by KiD

So, had there been no mention of chesschat in the newsletter at all, and these individual volunteers just decide to use official channels (i.e. newsletter, official ACF website) and nothing else, you would have no problem?

Could you please explain to me your reasoning for asking such a question before I attempt to answer it. It may help us to understand each other without needless argument.

cheers Fg7

01-15-2008, 04:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Chesschat - The Great ACF Lie The great lie from the ACF is that it does not control Chesschat. The "official" policy is one that states Chesschat is a 'private' board, with no ACF involvement. But, the ACF uses Chesschat to provide information. So what!, says the ordinary user! Surely the ACF has the right to place its information where it wants. Well, the problem is that some people believe that if the ACF was neutral, it ought to conduct its business on numerous boards, not just Chesschat. At the very least it the ACF ought to , as a democratic institution, qualify what its official policy is. Bearing these points in mind, consider this latest official media release from the ACF. Originally Posted by Newsletter I expect to declare applications open, via the ACF Newsletter and via a post to the Olympiad Notices thread on the ChessChat forum (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=7026) around early April. So whats the story? The ACF regards Chesschat as its official carrier of information. Now here is my question. Was there ever a vote at the ACF level that democratically decided that this would be public policy for the ACF? If not, why not? cheers Fg7

01-15-2008, 06:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
MichaelBaron Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 136	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 The great lie from the ACF is that it does not control Chesschat. The "official" policy is one that states Chesschat is a 'private' board, with no ACF involvement. But, the ACF uses Chesschat to provide information. So what!, says the ordinary user! Surely the ACF has the right to place its information where it wants. Well, the problem is that some people believe that if the ACF was neutral, it ought to conduct its business on numerous boards, not just Chesschat. Firegoat, Has Ozchess approached ACF and informed them of willingness to display ACF information etc. ? Furthermore, ACF webmaster could be requested to publish a link to OzChess forum as ACF website is meant to contain links to australian chess-related websites. If ACF has been informed about OzChess and asked for cooperation ..and the offer was rejected I agree with your positiong 100%! However, if it has been "assumed" that ACF is not interested in posting at Ozchess...i think you are being too harsh . My personal view is that ACF is ignoring OzChess...but i may be wrong.

01-15-2008, 10:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
phild707 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Burnie International Airport Posts: 298	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 The great lie from the ACF is that it does not control Chesschat. The "official" policy is one that states Chesschat is a 'private' board, with no ACF involvement. But, the ACF uses Chesschat to provide information. So what!, says the ordinary user! Surely the ACF has the right to place its information where it wants. Well, the problem is that some people believe that if the ACF was neutral, it ought to conduct its business on numerous boards, not just Chesschat. At the very least it the ACF ought to , as a democratic institution, qualify what its official policy is. Bearing these points in mind, consider this latest official media release from the ACF. So whats the story? The ACF regards Chesschat as its official carrier of information. Now here is my question. Was there ever a vote at the ACF level that democratically decided that this would be public policy for the ACF? If not, why not? cheers Fg7 Yes I noticed that one too. Again ChessChat is the officially annointed "de facto" publicity arm of the ACF. By the way who were the "Best Regards" actually from in the newsletter? I couldn't see a claim to authorship anywhere but perhaps I missed something. Also while we are on the topic of the AustrAiling Chess Federation whatever happened to the much vaunted ACF website upgrade that we were promised last year?? I was there today and semed to be the same old same old web site. On the links page there the link to the Burnie Club site has been dead for over a year now. I have written to the web master to inform him of this but whether or nor not the webmaster himself is also dead remains to be seen. I'll let you know when I find out. __________________ "It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any." Mae West

01-15-2008, 10:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
phild707 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Burnie International Airport Posts: 298	Originally Posted by MichaelBaron Firegoat, Has Ozchess approached ACF and informed them of willingness to display ACF information etc. ? Furthermore, ACF webmaster could be requested to publish a link to OzChess forum as ACF website is meant to contain links to australian chess-related websites. If ACF has been informed about OzChess and asked for cooperation ..and the offer was rejected I agree with your positiong 100%! However, if it has been "assumed" that ACF is not interested in posting at Ozchess...i think you are being too harsh . My personal view is that ACF is ignoring OzChess...but i may be wrong. I am sure that approaches along the lines that you suggest have been rebuffed/ignored in the past. The OZChess site moderators should be able to clarify this point. __________________ "It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any." Mae West

01-16-2008, 10:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	ACF's Relationship with OzChess Originally Posted by MichaelBaron Firegoat, Has Ozchess approached ACF and informed them of willingness to display ACF information etc? Not yet but it is on the agenda. People sometimes forget that most of these types of tasks ultimately fall to me and my time is in short supply. That's why I will be happy when a third owner comes on board to join Matt and I later this year (won't say who yet, but he is a Victorian). Originally Posted by MichaelBaron However, if it has been "assumed" that ACF is not interested in posting at Ozchess...i think you are being too harsh. But this assumption is based on logic. Bill Gletsos dislikes Matt Sweeney who is part owner of this site. Kevin Bonham started a thread at Chess Chat entitled Toolbox to denigrate OzChess and myself. And Dennis Jessop remarked that OzChess rots the brain. All of these people are senior ranking officials in the ACF. Originally Posted by MichaelBaron My personal view is that ACF is ignoring OzChess...but i may be wrong. Well, they are certainly not wishing it well (the ACF officials who are aware of OzChess anyway) because often views are freely expressed here which are critical or otherwise undesirable to the ACF. For instance, full and unhampered discussion regarding the CAQ's motion for the ACF Ratings Officer to release RD's publicly. To my knowledge this issue was only ever discussed here and not at Chess Chat (and even if I am wrong on that point, it was certainly raised as an issue here first). What does this tell us? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

01-16-2008, 01:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
MichaelBaron Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 136	I am going to make ACF an offer on its Website! In around 2 months time (as i am busy with other projects now). I am going to make ACF an offer on its Website. I am happy to maintain and update the website for free and pay the ongoing costs (e.g web hosting). In exchange i would like to be able to use the website for commercial purposes (e.g sale of chess books, e-marketing etc.). The problem is: a) I have some doubts that the current ACF administration will be interested in my offer due to 'political reasons" b) I do not be very comfortable (to be honest) working with the current ACF administration. c) I do not have that much time on my hands right now Here at OzChess, I admire owner's decision to avoid advertising/commercial activities. This is very noble of them (i would never be that generous to be honest). However, i think a little bit of Google advertising and a shopping cart would not hurt too much. It is always good when website managers are able to make a bit of money. The money can always be reinvested into a website. Anyway, I am going to get a chance to catch up with Firegoat (hopefully) during the Aus Day Open (I am going to play irrespectively of whether i win a free entry or not in the tense struggle between mine Rh3 and Arrigant-One's h5 ) and may be i will be able to help out. Aus Day Open ICC competition is a great idea..and a wonderful example of colloboration between ICC and OzChat and MCC. Pity my free 7 day membership will expire by then (plus there is a festival at Fitsroy gardens on Sunday involving free dancing lessons and opportunity to meet heaps of cute asian girls)...or well...i wonder if i can register another free account with ICC using another email address . would be fun to play other aus players in an internet tourney. As I mentioned earlier, I think if we want to see OzChess grow, we should all do our level best to contribute! (Guys, Please do not forget about my offer of free analysis at Aus Day Open weekender if you bring 2 friends or 1 friend who is new to MCC). Furthermore, I think it is good for a chess forum to be associated with chess clubs, communities, federations etc. It is great to see such a "love affair" between Ozchess and MCC. I think chess clubs in other states (as well as other Victorian clubs) should follow the suit!

01-16-2008, 01:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
KiD Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 84	Really? Originally Posted by Firegoat7 The great lie from the ACF is that it does not control Chesschat. The "official" policy is one that states Chesschat is a 'private' board, with no ACF involvement. But, the ACF uses Chesschat to provide information. So what!, says the ordinary user! Surely the ACF has the right to place its information where it wants. Well, the problem is that some people believe that if the ACF was neutral, it ought to conduct its business on numerous boards, not just Chesschat. At the very least it the ACF ought to , as a democratic institution, qualify what its official policy is. Bearing these points in mind, consider this latest official media release from the ACF. So whats the story? The ACF regards Chesschat as its official carrier of information. Now here is my question. Was there ever a vote at the ACF level that democratically decided that this would be public policy for the ACF? If not, why not? cheers Fg7 I see this as nothing more than an ACF executive, in his personal capacity and with the good intention of making what he deems important information more available to the public, deciding to post in a publicly accessible forum. From my reading of the full context in the newsletter, he made it clear that the newsletter was the only official venue for such information, but he is using his personal time to also distribute it through an additional mailing list and chesschat. Nothing wrong with that. In the same vein, I don't see anything wrong with macavity exclusively posting MCC tournament results and draws on chesschat - I don't look at chesschat as the officially endorsed bulletin board by the MCC.

01-16-2008, 01:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
phild707 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Burnie International Airport Posts: 298	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Not yet but it is on the agenda... Do it AO! 10 minutes should be enough to draft a request to the ACF. Otherwise there is no point in complaining about their negative attitudes if you haven't actually asked the question. __________________ "It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any." Mae West

01-16-2008, 01:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
phild707 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Burnie International Airport Posts: 298	Originally Posted by MichaelBaron In around 2 months time (as i am busy with other projects now). I am going to make ACF an offer on its Website. I am happy to maintain and update the website for free and pay the ongoing costs (e.g web hosting). In exchange i would like to be able to use the website for commercial purposes (e.g sale of chess books, e-marketing etc.). Do it Michael! The Australian Chess community will be eternally grateful to you. __________________ "It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any." Mae West

01-16-2008, 02:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
phild707 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Burnie International Airport Posts: 298	Originally Posted by KiD I see this as nothing more than an ACF executive, in his personal capacity and with the good intention of making what he deems important information more available to the public, deciding to post in a publicly accessible forum. From my reading of the full context in the newsletter, he made it clear that the newsletter was the only official venue for such information, but he is using his personal time to also distribute it through an additional mailing list and chesschat. Nothing wrong with that. In the same vein, I don't see anything wrong with macavity exclusively posting MCC tournament results and draws on chesschat - I don't look at chesschat as the officially endorsed bulletin board by the MCC. At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious.... The ACF has a responsibility to the wider Aus. Chess community to keep it informed. The same is not the case for the MCC. If the ACF feels it should make use of Chess bulletin boards to disseminate information (media releases if you like) then this should be done in a fair, even handed way to any/all active Chess bulletin boards. Else the ACF will be perceived as being a den of cronyism. __________________ "It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any." Mae West

01-16-2008, 02:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
KiD Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 84	Originally Posted by phild707 At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious.... The ACF has a responsibility to the wider Aus. Chess community to keep it informed. Fulfilled through the official website (http://www.auschess.org) and official newsletter Originally Posted by phild707 If the ACF feels it should make use of Chess bulletin boards to disseminate information (media releases if you like) then this should be done in a fair, even handed way to any/all active Chess bulletin boards. Else the ACF will be perceived as being a den of cronyism. Should an ACF official decide to go over and above the official channels, like additionally posting in a publicly available bulletin board, that's his prerogative and, in my opinion, should be applauded for going above and beyond the call of duty. This is the reason why I put the MCC analogy in - posting on chesschat is additional and voluntary work, not an official requirement of the job.

01-16-2008, 09:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by KiD This is the reason why I put the MCC analogy in - posting on chesschat is additional and voluntary work, not an official requirement of the job. Your analogy is simply wrong. In its own newsletter the ACF states what its public policy will be. Its public policy is connected with Chesschat. The ACF is announcing calls for Olympic selection on Chesschat. The ACF is supposed to fulfill the function of Olympic selection. That is part of its role. That is its job. Chesschat should have no active role in the procedure, unless the ACF has a democratic policy set in place. Which of course, as Phil pointed out, would be in its best interest i.e freedom of information. They ACF ought to simply be a little bit more honest with people. It should publicly explain its political decision to use Chesschat. It should have to justify why it wont use other sites like Ozchess to provide public information to chess players. Trying to blame individual volunteer choice is simply misleading. The ACF needs to take responsibility for its own official voice. The voices and messages it CHOOSES to officially provide for public record, like its newsletter. cheers Fg7

01-17-2008, 09:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
phild707 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Burnie International Airport Posts: 298	Originally Posted by phild707 I was there today and semed to be the same old same old web site. On the links page there the link to the Burnie Club site has been dead for over a year now. I have written to the web master to inform him of this but whether or nor not the webmaster himself is also dead remains to be seen. I'll let you know when I find out. The ACF does have an active web master, Russell Murray. He has promised to fix the broken link. __________________ "It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any." Mae West

01-17-2008, 09:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
KiD Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 84	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Your analogy is simply wrong. In its own newsletter the ACF states what its public policy will be. Its public policy is connected with Chesschat. The ACF is announcing calls for Olympic selection on Chesschat. The ACF is supposed to fulfill the function of Olympic selection. That is part of its role. That is its job. Chesschat should have no active role in the procedure, unless the ACF has a democratic policy set in place. Which of course, as Phil pointed out, would be in its best interest i.e freedom of information. They ACF ought to simply be a little bit more honest with people. It should publicly explain its political decision to use Chesschat. It should have to justify why it wont use other sites like Ozchess to provide public information to chess players. Trying to blame individual volunteer choice is simply misleading. The ACF needs to take responsibility for its own official voice. The voices and messages it CHOOSES to officially provide for public record, like its newsletter. cheers Fg7 So, had there been no mention of chesschat in the newsletter at all, and these individual volunteers just decide to use official channels (i.e. newsletter, official ACF website) and nothing else, you would have no problem?

01-17-2008, 05:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by KiD So, had there been no mention of chesschat in the newsletter at all, and these individual volunteers just decide to use official channels (i.e. newsletter, official ACF website) and nothing else, you would have no problem? Could you please explain to me your reasoning for asking such a question before I attempt to answer it. It may help us to understand each other without needless argument. cheers Fg7

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