The ACF is a walking talking public relations disaster!,... here is the proof - OzChess

**Firegoat7** · 07-06-2011, 07:19 PM

Greetings,

The premise of this thread is......

That the ACF needs a full time Public Relations officer who is professionally accountable for the messages being represented in the media by the ACF

This aim of this thread is to improve the ACF, by publicly shaming those members on the ACF who constantly damage its public relations.

As at this very moment, as listed on the ACF webpage, these people are the faces behind the ACF.

ACF Personnel

This is an abridged copy of information provided on that link.

Code:

Council

President	Gary Wastell	
Deputy President	Bill Gletsos	 
Vice President	Denis Jessop	 
Vice President	Kevin Bonham	 
Secretary	Tom Accola	 
Treasurer	Norm Greenwood	

 
State Delegates

NSWCA Delegate	Richard Gastineau-Hills	 
CV Delegate	Leonid Sandler	 
CAQ Delegate	Garvin Gray	 
CAWA Delegate	Haydn Barber	 
SACA Delegate	Tristrom Cooke	 
TCA Delegate	Graham Richards	 
ACTCA Delegate	Stephen Mugford	 

Non-Executive Office Bearers


Annual Conference Convenor	Tom Accola	 
Archivist	Paul Dunn	 
Auditor	Ross Hamilton	 
Aus Junior League Liaison Officer	Denis Jessop	 
Convenor - Constitutional Subcommittee	Denis Jessop	 
Editor Email Newsletter	Ian Rout	 
FIDE Delegate	Phil Viner	 
FIDE Ratings Officer	Greg Canfell	 
Grand Prix Director	Brian Jones	 
Medals Coordinator	Gary Wastell	 
National Ratings Officer	Bill Gletsos	 
National Ratings Officer	Graham Saint	 
Olympiad Appeal Coordinator	Ian Murray	 
Public Officer (Incorporation)	Denis Jessop	 
Selections Coordinator (Juniors)	Weng Nian Siow	 
Selections Director	Kevin Bonham	 
Special Projects Officer	Brian Jones	 
Webmaster	Russell Murray

If any of this information is currently incorrect or inaccurate then the ACF ought to be held completely accountable for this misinformation.

**Firegoat7** · 07-06-2011, 08:09 PM

Wednesday July the 6th of July 2011

Original post is here

Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - Toolbox-Detox (Enter at own risk)

"...This is a common troll excuse"- Alex Too-lsie is called a troll by Kevin Bonham.

"...the most prolific poster on the Toolbox is a pathologically lying attention-deficient buzzing fool whose posts frequently display so little legal understanding that he should be struck off"

- Alex is called a "pathological liar" by Kevin Bonham
- Alex is called an "attention deficient" by Kevin Bonham
- Alex is called a "fool" by Kevin Bonham
- Alex is told he displays "little legal understanding" by Kevin Bonham
- Alex is told "he should be struck off" (presumably the legal register)

"..shows his truly staggering cluelessness about all things ACF"
- Kevin Bonham calls Alex more names

" ...So my suspicion that Alex's claim to have not known Paul was an ACF officebearer is either another lie or else a further symptom of his perpetually hopeless attention-level problems."

- Alex is called a liar by Kevin Bonham
- Alex is told he has "attention-level problems" by Kevin Bonham

"...AO's first defamation-related ban involved him falsely accusing an administrator of misusing his position to obtain free advertising"

- Alex is told that he is banned for defamation by Kevin Bonham

"you can see what a self-confessed liar he is"
- Alex is told he is a liar by Kevin Bonham

"...Another ban was for a range of offences, one of which was a defamatory misrepresentation of a poster's business situation. "

-Alex is told he committed defamation by Kevin Bonham

"..These total lies, which he has repeated many times, were disposed of here where I quoted my PM to the site owner on the matter.

-Alex is called a liar by Kevin Bonham
2

Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - Toolbox-Detox (Enter at own risk)

"....More misrepresentation from MOZ"

Trevor is told he misrepresented Chesschat policy on Ozchess by Kevin Bonham.

3.

Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - Toolbox-Detox (Enter at own risk)

"...As more evidence of Alex's inattentive cluelessness,

-Alex is called "inattentive cluelessness" by Kevin Bonham

"...This rubbish was disposed of here. For a supposed lawyer, Alex's summation of that case was remarkably careless and clueless.

-Alex is told he posts rubbish by Kevin Bonham
-Alex is told he is careless and clueless by Kevin Bonham

**Firegoat7** · 07-07-2011, 12:52 AM

4.

Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - Toolbox-Detox (Enter at own risk)

"The Tool is well on form with this comment"

-Derogatory insult of Alex by Denis Jessop

"...What's more the utter stupidity of his position stands out"

Alex is called stupid by Denis Jessop

"the nonsense spouted by him and the Boxing Goat among others on the thread over there. "

- Alex is insulted by Denis Jessop
- I am insulted by Denis Jessop

**The Raven** · 07-07-2011, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

- Alex is insulted by Denis Jessop
- I am insulted by Denis Jessop

So am i and no doubt as are all fair minded Australian chess players .

**Iconoclast** · 07-07-2011, 05:41 AM

Australian chess needs this kind of executive behaviour like cars need salt spray.

**Brian_Jones** · 09-12-2011, 02:44 PM

I will attend the FIDE Commission meetings and FIDE Executive Board meeting in Krakow in October this year as President of FIDE Zone 3.6 (Oceania) and President of the Oceania Chess Confederation (OCC).

I will be attending at my own expense and I will also be representing the New Zealand Chess Federation.

Please email your Federation with formal views on any items on the Krakow agenda. I can then take the Federations' views into account when casting my votes.

In July this year I was defeated in my application to become the Australian Chess Federation Permenent Delegate to FIDE. This position was awarded to Dr Kevin Bonham after a secret ballot(s).

Kevin Bonham will I understand be travelling to Krakow with funding provided by the Australian Chess Federation, which to date has not yet committed to joining the OCC.

**antichrist** · 09-12-2011, 05:43 PM

Well Brian after witnessing your success in initiating and organising the fantastic SIO that has enjoyed brilliant success for Australian chess players I can't understand how you were overlooked for the position.

Also your contribution with chess coaching and organising in general I don't think was matched by any other candidate, so I am not sure on what basis the decision to overlook you took place.

Also with your many trips overseas in chess you already have contacts there to build on etc. A big shame really!

**antichrist** · 09-12-2011, 05:51 PM

For Thursday the 8th of September he (Shaun Press) posted
"It is worth noting that as this is a non Olympiad year the FIDE Congress will only have meetings for the various FIDE Commitees and the Executive Board. This means that federations do not have delegates at this Congress (only when the General Assembly meets). However Zonal Presidents are members of the Executive Board, so Oceania Zone President Brian Jones at least gets to vote on behalf of the region. Of course if a Federation (like PNG) has members on the various FIDE Committees, then it is still worth sending someone along." at chessexpress

Moz
I have been wondering why. Why post on this?
Then it struck me. He is highlighting there are now two Australian representatives of the status 'interested parties'. If you have been paying attention you will know both their names. So the question to you is...why two. Can we afford two?

**antichrist** · 09-12-2011, 06:07 PM

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Byron Bay, NSW
Posts: 2,146

Kevin Bonham
unlike the national conference where there is a set process to elect the exec, ACF bearers of non-exec roles are appointed. thus it is not necessarily an election as such and often takes the form of a motion that so-and-so be appointed

Today 10:01 PMKevin Bonham
it is not appropriate for me to publicly discuss all details of the appointment process without the permission of others, which i won't be seeking

Today 09:59 PMKevin Bonham
there was a chance to submit comments in advance of the phone hookup

Today 09:59 PMKevin Bonham
AC what i know is that when i joined the meeting i was offered the position

Today 09:24 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
And did you have a chance to campaign on issues or make a mission statement? Just wondering how it is done via phone hook up or video conf. Is there an immediate vote after nomination of candidates or campaign time? Can all cadidates be cross-exmained?

Today 09:21 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
KB, when you happen to visit, who was the other person or persons in the ballot for your new position? Was it a close vote or they dont tell you?

**antichrist** · 09-12-2011, 06:11 PM

KB from other thread:

This means that I will now have responsibility for the ACF in the following areas:

* FIDE norms and titles
* Federation transfers
* advice on FIDE fees, charges and other admin matters not related to ratings
* representing the ACF at FIDE Congresses and other events from time to time. For financial reasons it is likely this will not occur at all Congresses and for some of them we will have to appoint a proxy as we have in the past. However I am aiming to attend those Congresses that coincide with FIDE election years at the least.

**antichrist** · 09-12-2011, 07:07 PM

AC
well there I have it - why wasn't I told. anyway the best part again - is there a freebie trip overseas every so often?

Today 06:06 PMKevin Bonham
have you ever tried conducting a secret ballot during a telephone meeting?

Today 06:06 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
well they should be secret, otherwise how do we know the true feelings of the voters?

Today 06:05 PMKevin Bonham
it is rather different when an election is not a secret ballot AC

**Gold Coast** · 09-13-2011, 08:21 AM

The ACF is going to sponsor the "Charles Darwin" expedition.
On the other hand the Olympic team is going to ask for the donations and The Parents of the Juniors will cover all costs for the travel to the World Junior Championship.

**Firegoat7** · 09-13-2011, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Brian_Jones

In July this year I was defeated in my application to become the Australian Chess Federation Permenent Delegate to FIDE. This position was awarded to Dr Kevin Bonham after a secret ballot(s).

There are some serious concerns with the democratic process in Australian chess circles if we accept on face vale your version of events Brian. It is simply not good enough that you would be treated in this manner. There are a plethora of questions that need answering.

1) If the ACF calls for an application process, then it has to be asked how Kevin Bonham was even allowed to apply. COI=Conflict of Interest

2) If the ACF requires volunteers, then why compete against someone with good standing within the chess community. That is why have someone from the ACF compete against Brian Jones.

3) Secret ballots are a corruption of the democratic process in a public representative body. It is simply not good enough that we, the chess playing public, don't see how people elected by us, cast their vote.

4) How did the application process become an election anyway?

5) The ACF should never pay for someone to travel when others are prepared to pay their own way.

6) Kevin Bonham is unfit to hold such an office. It is bad enough that he holds any position on the ACF. It is completely laughable that he will now represent Australia in a voting capacity at a world level. Given his pathetic track record with the democratic process as displayed on the ACF and Chesschat, not to mention his hostile anti-social communicative behaviour. The ACF should never appoint such a goon to this type of position, which requires democratic dealing and good faith negotiation. Massive fail for the ACF, but what else is new.

**Firegoat7** · 09-13-2011, 10:40 PM

And.....

Just for the public record.

In response to Brian Jones who labeled Denis Jessops comments as racist on Chesschat , Jessop wrote in his defence....

Originally Posted by Denis Jessop ACF Vice President

No Brian, my remark was not racist at all. It was based on the effects of missionaries in the South Pacific trying to convert indigenous peoples to Christianity and to abandon their customs. This is a matter of some contention not only for anthropologists but also for the governments of those countries. The proselitysing of chess among peoples for whom it has no interest is remarkably similar. I note also in this regard that PNG chess seems to be the province mainly of white men some of them non-resident.

Leaving the question of religion aside for the moment. Jessop argues that The proselitysing (sic) of chess among peoples for whom it has no interest is remarkably similar. which is an extremely silly and misguided thing to say on so many levels. To assert that encouraging people to play chess is in anyway connected to religious colonisation is simply ridiculous.

But to argue that the people in those regions have no interest is completely racist. I mean who is this old colonial Canberrian recalcitrant talking about? Every person in the region? Or every chess player in the region? Did he interview everybody? Does he think that the game should be banned on racist grounds?

Really silly stuff.

How can an ACF representative make such stupid claims about another peoples chess federation? And why is the PNG Olympic team brought into the debate? Surely, it is a good thing that PNG is represented at the Chess Olympics? And why should PNG chess listen to the views of the ACF when they are expressed so poorly?

Brian Jones is right, comments made by Jessop reek of racism and his defence of his claims prove it.

P.S Why allow Jessop, who thinks promoting chess to people is a negative, in his own words, represent the Australian chess community. Isn't chess a positive thing for people?

**WarriorOnTheEdgeOfTime** · 09-13-2011, 11:28 PM

07-06-2011, 07:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	The ACF is a walking talking public relations disaster!,... here is the proof Greetings, The premise of this thread is...... That the ACF needs a full time Public Relations officer who is professionally accountable for the messages being represented in the media by the ACF This aim of this thread is to improve the ACF, by publicly shaming those members on the ACF who constantly damage its public relations. As at this very moment, as listed on the ACF webpage, these people are the faces behind the ACF. ACF Personnel This is an abridged copy of information provided on that link. Code: Council President Gary Wastell Deputy President Bill Gletsos Vice President Denis Jessop Vice President Kevin Bonham Secretary Tom Accola Treasurer Norm Greenwood State Delegates NSWCA Delegate Richard Gastineau-Hills CV Delegate Leonid Sandler CAQ Delegate Garvin Gray CAWA Delegate Haydn Barber SACA Delegate Tristrom Cooke TCA Delegate Graham Richards ACTCA Delegate Stephen Mugford Non-Executive Office Bearers Annual Conference Convenor Tom Accola Archivist Paul Dunn Auditor Ross Hamilton Aus Junior League Liaison Officer Denis Jessop Convenor - Constitutional Subcommittee Denis Jessop Editor Email Newsletter Ian Rout FIDE Delegate Phil Viner FIDE Ratings Officer Greg Canfell Grand Prix Director Brian Jones Medals Coordinator Gary Wastell National Ratings Officer Bill Gletsos National Ratings Officer Graham Saint Olympiad Appeal Coordinator Ian Murray Public Officer (Incorporation) Denis Jessop Selections Coordinator (Juniors) Weng Nian Siow Selections Director Kevin Bonham Special Projects Officer Brian Jones Webmaster Russell Murray If any of this information is currently incorrect or inaccurate then the ACF ought to be held completely accountable for this misinformation. __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-06-2011, 08:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Wednesday July the 6th of July 2011 Original post is here Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - Toolbox-Detox (Enter at own risk) "...This is a common troll excuse"- Alex Too-lsie is called a troll by Kevin Bonham. "...the most prolific poster on the Toolbox is a pathologically lying attention-deficient buzzing fool whose posts frequently display so little legal understanding that he should be struck off" - Alex is called a "pathological liar" by Kevin Bonham - Alex is called an "attention deficient" by Kevin Bonham - Alex is called a "fool" by Kevin Bonham - Alex is told he displays "little legal understanding" by Kevin Bonham - Alex is told "he should be struck off" (presumably the legal register) "..shows his truly staggering cluelessness about all things ACF" - Kevin Bonham calls Alex more names " ...So my suspicion that Alex's claim to have not known Paul was an ACF officebearer is either another lie or else a further symptom of his perpetually hopeless attention-level problems." - Alex is called a liar by Kevin Bonham - Alex is told he has "attention-level problems" by Kevin Bonham "...AO's first defamation-related ban involved him falsely accusing an administrator of misusing his position to obtain free advertising" - Alex is told that he is banned for defamation by Kevin Bonham "you can see what a self-confessed liar he is" - Alex is told he is a liar by Kevin Bonham "...Another ban was for a range of offences, one of which was a defamatory misrepresentation of a poster's business situation. " -Alex is told he committed defamation by Kevin Bonham "..These total lies, which he has repeated many times, were disposed of here where I quoted my PM to the site owner on the matter. -Alex is called a liar by Kevin Bonham 2 Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - Toolbox-Detox (Enter at own risk) "....More misrepresentation from MOZ" Trevor is told he misrepresented Chesschat policy on Ozchess by Kevin Bonham. 3. Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - Toolbox-Detox (Enter at own risk) "...As more evidence of Alex's inattentive cluelessness, -Alex is called "inattentive cluelessness" by Kevin Bonham "...This rubbish was disposed of here. For a supposed lawyer, Alex's summation of that case was remarkably careless and clueless. -Alex is told he posts rubbish by Kevin Bonham -Alex is told he is careless and clueless by Kevin Bonham __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-07-2011, 12:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	4. Chess Chat - Australia's Premier Chess Forum - View Single Post - Toolbox-Detox (Enter at own risk) "The Tool is well on form with this comment" -Derogatory insult of Alex by Denis Jessop *"...What's more the utter stupidity of his position stands out"* Alex is called stupid by Denis Jessop *"the nonsense spouted by him and the Boxing Goat among others on the thread over there. "* - Alex is insulted by Denis Jessop - I am insulted by Denis Jessop __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

07-07-2011, 01:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
The Raven Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 54	National Disgrace Originally Posted by Firegoat7 - Alex is insulted by Denis Jessop - I am insulted by Denis Jessop So am i and no doubt as are all fair minded Australian chess players .

07-07-2011, 05:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Australian chess needs this kind of executive behaviour like cars need salt spray. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-12-2011, 02:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
Brian_Jones Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 84	I will attend the FIDE Commission meetings and FIDE Executive Board meeting in Krakow in October this year as President of FIDE Zone 3.6 (Oceania) and President of the Oceania Chess Confederation (OCC). I will be attending at my own expense and I will also be representing the New Zealand Chess Federation. Please email your Federation with formal views on any items on the Krakow agenda. I can then take the Federations' views into account when casting my votes. In July this year I was defeated in my application to become the Australian Chess Federation Permenent Delegate to FIDE. This position was awarded to Dr Kevin Bonham after a secret ballot(s). Kevin Bonham will I understand be travelling to Krakow with funding provided by the Australian Chess Federation, which to date has not yet committed to joining the OCC.

09-12-2011, 05:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Well Brian after witnessing your success in initiating and organising the fantastic SIO that has enjoyed brilliant success for Australian chess players I can't understand how you were overlooked for the position. Also your contribution with chess coaching and organising in general I don't think was matched by any other candidate, so I am not sure on what basis the decision to overlook you took place. Also with your many trips overseas in chess you already have contacts there to build on etc. A big shame really!

09-12-2011, 05:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Moz from discontinued thread For Thursday the 8th of September he (Shaun Press) posted "It is worth noting that as this is a non Olympiad year the FIDE Congress will only have meetings for the various FIDE Commitees and the Executive Board. This means that federations do not have delegates at this Congress (only when the General Assembly meets). However Zonal Presidents are members of the Executive Board, so Oceania Zone President Brian Jones at least gets to vote on behalf of the region. Of course if a Federation (like PNG) has members on the various FIDE Committees, then it is still worth sending someone along." at chessexpress Moz I have been wondering why. Why post on this? Then it struck me. He is highlighting there are now two Australian representatives of the status 'interested parties'. If you have been paying attention you will know both their names. So the question to you is...why two. Can we afford two?

09-12-2011, 06:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,146 Kevin Bonham unlike the national conference where there is a set process to elect the exec, ACF bearers of non-exec roles are appointed. thus it is not necessarily an election as such and often takes the form of a motion that so-and-so be appointed Today 10:01 PMKevin Bonham it is not appropriate for me to publicly discuss all details of the appointment process without the permission of others, which i won't be seeking Today 09:59 PMKevin Bonham there was a chance to submit comments in advance of the phone hookup Today 09:59 PMKevin Bonham AC what i know is that when i joined the meeting i was offered the position Today 09:24 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) And did you have a chance to campaign on issues or make a mission statement? Just wondering how it is done via phone hook up or video conf. Is there an immediate vote after nomination of candidates or campaign time? Can all cadidates be cross-exmained? Today 09:21 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) KB, when you happen to visit, who was the other person or persons in the ballot for your new position? Was it a close vote or they dont tell you?

09-12-2011, 06:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	KB from other thread: This means that I will now have responsibility for the ACF in the following areas: * FIDE norms and titles * Federation transfers * advice on FIDE fees, charges and other admin matters not related to ratings * representing the ACF at FIDE Congresses and other events from time to time. For financial reasons it is likely this will not occur at all Congresses and for some of them we will have to appoint a proxy as we have in the past. However I am aiming to attend those Congresses that coincide with FIDE election years at the least.

09-12-2011, 07:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	read from bottom up AC well there I have it - why wasn't I told. anyway the best part again - is there a freebie trip overseas every so often? Today 06:06 PMKevin Bonham have you ever tried conducting a secret ballot during a telephone meeting? Today 06:06 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) well they should be secret, otherwise how do we know the true feelings of the voters? Today 06:05 PMKevin Bonham it is rather different when an election is not a secret ballot AC

09-13-2011, 08:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
Gold Coast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: GOLD COAST Posts: 168	The ACF is going to sponsor the "Charles Darwin" expedition. On the other hand the Olympic team is going to ask for the donations and The Parents of the Juniors will cover all costs for the travel to the World Junior Championship. __________________ . . Visit my: Chesshop Last edited by Gold Coast : 09-14-2011 at 02:59 AM

09-13-2011, 09:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Jobs for the boys! Originally Posted by Brian_Jones In July this year I was defeated in my application to become the Australian Chess Federation Permenent Delegate to FIDE. This position was awarded to Dr Kevin Bonham after a secret ballot(s). There are some serious concerns with the democratic process in Australian chess circles if we accept on face vale your version of events Brian. It is simply not good enough that you would be treated in this manner. There are a plethora of questions that need answering. 1) If the ACF calls for an application process, then it has to be asked how Kevin Bonham was even allowed to apply. COI=Conflict of Interest 2) If the ACF requires volunteers, then why compete against someone with good standing within the chess community. That is why have someone from the ACF compete against Brian Jones. 3) Secret ballots are a corruption of the democratic process in a public representative body. It is simply not good enough that we, the chess playing public, don't see how people elected by us, cast their vote. 4) How did the application process become an election anyway? 5) The ACF should never pay for someone to travel when others are prepared to pay their own way. 6) Kevin Bonham is unfit to hold such an office. It is bad enough that he holds any position on the ACF. It is completely laughable that he will now represent Australia in a voting capacity at a world level. Given his pathetic track record with the democratic process as displayed on the ACF and Chesschat, not to mention his hostile anti-social communicative behaviour. The ACF should never appoint such a goon to this type of position, which requires democratic dealing and good faith negotiation. Massive fail for the ACF, but what else is new. __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic Last edited by Iconoclast : 09-14-2011 at 05:33 PM Reason: Typo

09-13-2011, 10:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	And..... Just for the public record. In response to Brian Jones who labeled Denis Jessops comments as racist on Chesschat , Jessop wrote in his defence.... Originally Posted by Denis Jessop ACF Vice President No Brian, my remark was not racist at all. It was based on the effects of missionaries in the South Pacific trying to convert indigenous peoples to Christianity and to abandon their customs. This is a matter of some contention not only for anthropologists but also for the governments of those countries. The proselitysing of chess among peoples for whom it has no interest is remarkably similar. I note also in this regard that PNG chess seems to be the province mainly of white men some of them non-resident. Leaving the question of religion aside for the moment. Jessop argues that *The proselitysing (sic) of chess among peoples for whom it has no interest is remarkably similar.* which is an extremely silly and misguided thing to say on so many levels. To assert that encouraging people to play chess is in anyway connected to religious colonisation is simply ridiculous. But to argue that the people in those regions have no interest is completely racist. I mean who is this old colonial Canberrian recalcitrant talking about? Every person in the region? Or every chess player in the region? Did he interview everybody? Does he think that the game should be banned on racist grounds? Really silly stuff. How can an ACF representative make such stupid claims about another peoples chess federation? And why is the PNG Olympic team brought into the debate? Surely, it is a good thing that PNG is represented at the Chess Olympics? And why should PNG chess listen to the views of the ACF when they are expressed so poorly? Brian Jones is right, comments made by Jessop reek of racism and his defence of his claims prove it. P.S Why allow Jessop, who thinks promoting chess to people is a negative, in his own words, represent the Australian chess community. Isn't chess a positive thing for people? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

09-13-2011, 11:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
WarriorOnTheEdgeOfTime Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 88	Denis Jessop - You Can Go To Hell !

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