Amazing Statements By ACF Executives - OzChess

**Iconoclast** · 05-25-2011, 09:51 PM

Kevin Bonham said:

for your permanent record i never take any complaint by garvin seriously

**Black Onyx** · 05-25-2011, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Kevin Bonham said:for your permanent record i never take any complaint by garvin seriously

Garvin,come and join us at ozchess .
We'll take you seriously here .
And we'll even throw in a free conciliation and arbitration commission for you and Amir !

**antichrist** · 08-12-2011, 06:13 PM

ACF Position Changes

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I am just writing to let the chess community know of some changes in my ACF positions and responsibilities.

After over seven years in the position I have just stepped down as ACF Selections Director. In mid-2010 I gave the ACF Council a full year's notice that I did not intend to renominate for the position when officebearer positions were appointed in mid-2011. I have found working in this position very rewarding, particularly in trying to get selections on a very organised footing so that they are seldom contentious (beyond inevitable differences of opinion about who should be selected to closely-contested positions) and appeals arising from procedural errors are avoided. A new Selections Director has yet to be appointed although I am briefing a possible replacement very soon. I wish to thank all the selectors I have worked with but particularly IM Guy West, FMs Geoff Saw and Tim Reilly, Dr Ian Rout, Ingela Eriksson, IA Dr Charles Zworestine and GM Ian Rogers, all of whom have frequently given up their time to conduct selections on behalf of the ACF in recent years.

I have now been elected (as of the Council meeting of July 31) to the position of ACF FIDE Delegate. Although the name is the same as a previous position, the duties of FIDE Delegate now combine the non-ratings part of the FIDE Admin Officer role previously held by Greg Canfell, with the FIDE Delegate role previously held by Phil Viner. Greg will be continuing as ACF FIDE Ratings Officer.

This means that I will now have responsibility for the ACF in the following areas:

* FIDE norms and titles
* Federation transfers
* advice on FIDE fees, charges and other admin matters not related to ratings
* representing the ACF at FIDE Congresses and other events from time to time. For financial reasons it is likely this will not occur at all Congresses and for some of them we will have to appoint a proxy as we have in the past. However I am aiming to attend those Congresses that coincide with FIDE election years at the least.

There will be a short transitional phase while I get up to speed in my new positions and Greg finishes off some tasks he had started. After that I will be aiming to process all norm, title and transfer matters as quickly as is consistent with getting it right. New applications should now be sent to me, and my email address is k_bonham@tassie.net.au (Note for anyone copying address by hand for any reason: there is an underscore ( _ ) between the k and the b). I ask all applicants to please be patient during the transitional period and as impatient as you wish (within reason!) after it.

My thanks to Greg and Phil who have set an excellent standard for the ACF in these matters and I hope I can keep up the good work.

Kevin Bonham
Incoming ACF Fide Delegate.
And continuing as ACF Vice President

**antichrist** · 08-12-2011, 07:10 PM

well there I have it - why wasn't I told. anyway the best part again - is there a freebie trip overseas every so often?

Today 06:06 PMKevin Bonham

have you ever tried conducting a secret ballot during a telephone meeting?

Today 06:06 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)

well they should be secret, otherwise how do we know the true feelings of the voters?

Today 06:05 PMKevin Bonham

it is rather different when an election is not a secret ballot AC

Today 06:05 PMDavo

nope - wrong again AC

Today 06:05 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)

they are not entitled to be scrutineers but they can monitor, most votes are put into a box at front, the candidate can monitor

Today 06:04 PMDavo

well then you are completely clueless AC

Today 06:04 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)

anyway the best part are their some freebie trips overseas - you would love that?

Today 06:03 PMKevin Bonham

actually AC candidates are not entitled to be scrutineers at an election

Today 06:03 PMKevin Bonham

this does not mean i believe all positions should be elected nor that i believe in sloppy elections

Today 06:03 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)

Davo, I have never heard of the candidate leaving the hall for an election, they are entitled to vote for themselves and to monitor the election

Today 06:03 PMKevin Bonham

AC i have always believed in properly run elections, for such positions as require them

Today 06:02 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)

so you were elected , very good, so now you believe in elections?

Today 06:02 PMDavo

COI is an issue at other organisations AC. Not that you would know.

Today 06:01 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)

I find that amazing, was it self-imposed exile coz of conflict of interest, though not a problem at other organisations.

Today 06:00 PMKevin Bonham

AC i was not at that portion of the meeting at which i was elected for obvious reasons

Today 05:59 PMKevin Bonham

shoutbox judge is excused from the court tonight due to being a hydra and a fraud

Today 05:58 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)

However I am aiming to attend those Congresses that coincide with FIDE election years at the least. - is this trip a freebie? You would love that!

**Gold Coast** · 08-13-2011, 06:26 AM

Jamie Kenmure known as "Lost" would be perfect for this position.

Kevin Bonham can't speak any languages other than botanic.

+
KB can communicate only via email. I'm sure that face to face communication
will end up this way: "Please read this and reply to me via email"

Sorry, Kevin doesn't talk.

...all girls playing chess are going to have a hard time running away from chess.

Arianne may even change the federation...

..

**Iconoclast** · 08-13-2011, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham

[I will be] representing the ACF at FIDE Congresses and other events from time to time. For financial reasons it is likely this will not occur at all ...

His own words condemn him. The inference of this quote is that, if the ACF was properly run and/or had enough chess players' money, he would take the junket. An amazing statement by an ACF executive.

**antichrist** · 08-13-2011, 11:52 AM

Jamie Kenmure known as "Lost" would be perfect for this position.

Who is Jamie Kenmure? Was he already on the exec to be nominated?

Anyway I am looking forward to the day when Gary Wastell gives way, then the fight will be on between BillG and Kevin B who will head ACF - their joint Stonewall Defense manouvres against AC will come to nothing when the gloves are off. They will come sucking to me for winning ideas on how to improve things to get an edge.

And KB was inaccurate in his response to me the other day concerning his inaction re St George comp 6 years ago - he recently stated his inaction was due to him not being ratings officer, but at the time of conflict he told me it was a NSW matter and therefore out of his jurisdiction. If we send him off - on an expenses paid extravagandza to attend FIDA and some country has a genuine whinge he will say ""sorry I come from the land down under, that is your own problem". A useless hunk of meat that would be.

**antichrist** · 08-13-2011, 12:15 PM

My thanks to Kevin for taking over the non-ratings side of our relations with FIDE. It has come as something of a relief, as the title applications have become a bridge too far for me in the last couple of years, particularly with the inexorable increase in the number of FIDE-rated events. It's been six years since I took over from Gary Bekker and I have certainly gained an appreciation for how much work there is besides the FIDE ratings to keep up with.

Thanks also to some of the more recent title/transfer applicants for their patience when the applications didn't go through as quickly as they should have. My feeling from my early dealings with Kevin is all that is about to change for the better.

Greg Canfell
ACF FIDE Ratings Officer
----------------------------------------------------------
AC

so shows that what KB knows is his duties he does very well but approach him with a left of field and .... well....????

**Amir Karibasic** · 08-13-2011, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Jamie Kenmure known as "Lost" would be perfect for this position.

Who is Jamie Kenmure? Was he already on the exec to be nominated?

.

Jamie Kenmure "LOST" is Mr Worldwide International.
Jamie is born to be a chess Ambasador.
He can 'govori po russki' what is important because we need a good relationship with No.1 chess force - Russia.

**antichrist** · 08-13-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Amir Karibasic

Jamie Kenmure "LOST" is Mr Worldwide International.
Jamie is born to be a chess Ambasador.
He can 'govori po russki' what is important because of we need good relationship with No.1 chess force - Russia.

well get him onto the exective quick smart so he can move up the ranks

**antichrist** · 08-13-2011, 10:08 PM

Kevin Bonham
AC st george as i understand it is a ratings matter. not my department

Yesterday 06:25 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
well congrats for ACF for that, and hoped my little shove helped there, well you definitely can have a free trip or two now, i know you will be thorough. But I would had more confidence if you would have got more involved in that St George debate, you only needed a bit of a lean on someone

Kevin Bonham\
now AC you fail on that one too because the ACF recently found and moved to a vastly cheaper hookup system for meetings

Yesterday 06:22 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
if you can do those free video link ups for conferences and save those tele conference money you can have an extra trip as far as I am concerned

Yesterday 06:21 PMKevin Bonham
on other issues the ACF might leave it up to the delegate to make a decision, or advise the delegate that on the information it has it prefers one choice or the other

Yesterday 06:20 PMKevin Bonham
and that protects the delegate from intimidation (oh yes it happens) to vote one way or the other

antichrist (Edit · Delete)
well there I have it - why wasn't I told. anyway the best part again - is there a freebie trip overseas every so often?

Yesterday 06:06 PMKevin Bonham
have you ever tried conducting a secret ballot during a telephone meeting?

Yesterday 06:06 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
well they should be secret, otherwise how do we know the true feelings of the voters?

Yesterday 06:05 PMKevin Bonham
it is rather different when an election is not a secret ballot AC

Yesterday 06:05 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
they are not entitled to be scrutineers but they can monitor, most votes are put into a box at front, the candidate can monitor

Yesterday 06:04 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
anyway the best part are their some freebie trips overseas - you would love that?

**antichrist** · 08-13-2011, 11:14 PM

Kevin Bonham
unlike the national conference where there is a set process to elect the exec, ACF bearers of non-exec roles are appointed. thus it is not necessarily an election as such and often takes the form of a motion that so-and-so be appointed

Today 10:01 PMKevin Bonham
it is not appropriate for me to publicly discuss all details of the appointment process without the permission of others, which i won't be seeking

Today 09:59 PMKevin Bonham
there was a chance to submit comments in advance of the phone hookup

Today 09:59 PMKevin Bonham
AC what i know is that when i joined the meeting i was offered the position

Today 09:24 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
And did you have a chance to campaign on issues or make a mission statement? Just wondering how it is done via phone hook up or video conf. Is there an immediate vote after nomination of candidates or campaign time? Can all cadidates be cross-exmained?

Today 09:21 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
KB, when you happen to visit, who was the other person or persons in the ballot for your new position? Was it a close vote or they dont tell you?

**Iconoclast** · 08-14-2011, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham

unlike the national conference where there is a set process to elect the exec, ACF bearers of non-exec roles are appointed. thus it is not necessarily an election as such and often takes the form of a motion that so-and-so be appointed

The appointed are not elected. This truth is amply demonstrated by chess administration in Australia. It is plagued with insider clubs and the musty odor of dead wood and wet cloth.

**antichrist** · 08-14-2011, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The appointed are not elected. This truth is amply demonstrated by chess administration in Australia. It is plagued with insider clubs and the musty odor of dead wood and wet cloth.

But Matt they at least keep the show going. I read Arionian's interveiw at bright side this morn and he reakons we have a good chess admin, but was he just being plesant?

Now if no one's nose was put out of joint then it's hells bells - just like the mod elections here that I defend. Bring out the guy with the Jeff Fenech nose then we will listen. It has to be someone highy specialized who was already heavily involved. An outsider could not just walk in.

**Iconoclast** · 08-14-2011, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

But Matt they at least keep the show going. I read Arionian's interveiw at bright side this morn and he reakons we have a good chess admin, but was he just being plesant?

Now if no one's nose was put out of joint then it's hells bells - just like the mod elections here that I defend. Bring out the guy with the Jeff Fenech nose then we will listen. It has to be someone highy specialized who was already heavily involved. An outsider could not just walk in.

1. Any interview by a non-journo with the ACF will be a puff piece.
2. There is only one statistic that matters, the % rise in the number of bums on seats. If it ain't trending up, the ACF is a failure.
3. If the routine running of the ACF has not been written down in "How To XYZ" protocols, then the ACF deadwood have been derelict in their duty. They have created a system that needs them and them alone.

You are making the mistake of trusting a bunch of rusted on seat warmers who simply go through the motions.

05-25-2011, 09:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Amazing Statements By ACF Executives Kevin Bonham said: for your permanent record i never take any complaint by garvin seriously __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

05-25-2011, 10:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Black Onyx Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 75	We Can Work It Out Originally Posted by Iconoclast Kevin Bonham said:for your permanent record i never take any complaint by garvin seriously Garvin,come and join us at ozchess . We'll take you seriously here . And we'll even throw in a free conciliation and arbitration commission for you and Amir ! __________________ The Black Onyx - The Grief Stone † " Thou board is thy canvas , thou shalt not want " Black Onyx

08-12-2011, 06:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	from Bright side of moon ACF Position Changes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am just writing to let the chess community know of some changes in my ACF positions and responsibilities. After over seven years in the position I have just stepped down as ACF Selections Director. In mid-2010 I gave the ACF Council a full year's notice that I did not intend to renominate for the position when officebearer positions were appointed in mid-2011. I have found working in this position very rewarding, particularly in trying to get selections on a very organised footing so that they are seldom contentious (beyond inevitable differences of opinion about who should be selected to closely-contested positions) and appeals arising from procedural errors are avoided. A new Selections Director has yet to be appointed although I am briefing a possible replacement very soon. I wish to thank all the selectors I have worked with but particularly IM Guy West, FMs Geoff Saw and Tim Reilly, Dr Ian Rout, Ingela Eriksson, IA Dr Charles Zworestine and GM Ian Rogers, all of whom have frequently given up their time to conduct selections on behalf of the ACF in recent years. I have now been elected (as of the Council meeting of July 31) to the position of ACF FIDE Delegate. Although the name is the same as a previous position, the duties of FIDE Delegate now combine the non-ratings part of the FIDE Admin Officer role previously held by Greg Canfell, with the FIDE Delegate role previously held by Phil Viner. Greg will be continuing as ACF FIDE Ratings Officer. This means that I will now have responsibility for the ACF in the following areas: * FIDE norms and titles * Federation transfers * advice on FIDE fees, charges and other admin matters not related to ratings * representing the ACF at FIDE Congresses and other events from time to time. For financial reasons it is likely this will not occur at all Congresses and for some of them we will have to appoint a proxy as we have in the past. However I am aiming to attend those Congresses that coincide with FIDE election years at the least. There will be a short transitional phase while I get up to speed in my new positions and Greg finishes off some tasks he had started. After that I will be aiming to process all norm, title and transfer matters as quickly as is consistent with getting it right. New applications should now be sent to me, and my email address is k_bonham@tassie.net.au (Note for anyone copying address by hand for any reason: there is an underscore ( _ ) between the k and the b). I ask all applicants to please be patient during the transitional period and as impatient as you wish (within reason!) after it. My thanks to Greg and Phil who have set an excellent standard for the ACF in these matters and I hope I can keep up the good work. Kevin Bonham Incoming ACF Fide Delegate. And continuing as ACF Vice President

08-13-2011, 06:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
Gold Coast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: GOLD COAST Posts: 168	What about him: Jamie Kenmure Jamie Kenmure known as "Lost" would be perfect for this position. Kevin Bonham can't speak any languages other than botanic. + KB can communicate only via email. I'm sure that face to face communication will end up this way: "Please read this and reply to me via email" Sorry, Kevin doesn't talk. ...all girls playing chess are going to have a hard time running away from chess. Arianne may even change the federation... .. __________________ . . Visit my: Chesshop Last edited by Gold Coast : 08-13-2011 at 09:28 AM

08-13-2011, 09:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham [I will be] representing the ACF at FIDE Congresses and other events from time to time. For financial reasons it is likely this will not occur at all ... His own words condemn him. The inference of this quote is that, if the ACF was properly run and/or had enough chess players' money, he would take the junket. An amazing statement by an ACF executive. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-12-2011, 07:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	well there I have it - why wasn't I told. anyway the best part again - is there a freebie trip overseas every so often? Today 06:06 PMKevin Bonham have you ever tried conducting a secret ballot during a telephone meeting? Today 06:06 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) well they should be secret, otherwise how do we know the true feelings of the voters? Today 06:05 PMKevin Bonham it is rather different when an election is not a secret ballot AC Today 06:05 PMDavo nope - wrong again AC Today 06:05 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) they are not entitled to be scrutineers but they can monitor, most votes are put into a box at front, the candidate can monitor Today 06:04 PMDavo well then you are completely clueless AC Today 06:04 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) anyway the best part are their some freebie trips overseas - you would love that? Today 06:03 PMKevin Bonham actually AC candidates are not entitled to be scrutineers at an election Today 06:03 PMKevin Bonham this does not mean i believe all positions should be elected nor that i believe in sloppy elections Today 06:03 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) Davo, I have never heard of the candidate leaving the hall for an election, they are entitled to vote for themselves and to monitor the election Today 06:03 PMKevin Bonham AC i have always believed in properly run elections, for such positions as require them Today 06:02 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) so you were elected , very good, so now you believe in elections? Today 06:02 PMDavo COI is an issue at other organisations AC. Not that you would know. Today 06:01 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) I find that amazing, was it self-imposed exile coz of conflict of interest, though not a problem at other organisations. Today 06:00 PMKevin Bonham AC i was not at that portion of the meeting at which i was elected for obvious reasons Today 05:59 PMKevin Bonham shoutbox judge is excused from the court tonight due to being a hydra and a fraud Today 05:58 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) However I am aiming to attend those Congresses that coincide with FIDE election years at the least. - is this trip a freebie? You would love that!

08-13-2011, 11:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Jamie Kenmure known as "Lost" would be perfect for this position. Who is Jamie Kenmure? Was he already on the exec to be nominated? Anyway I am looking forward to the day when Gary Wastell gives way, then the fight will be on between BillG and Kevin B who will head ACF - their joint Stonewall Defense manouvres against AC will come to nothing when the gloves are off. They will come sucking to me for winning ideas on how to improve things to get an edge. And KB was inaccurate in his response to me the other day concerning his inaction re St George comp 6 years ago - he recently stated his inaction was due to him not being ratings officer, but at the time of conflict he told me it was a NSW matter and therefore out of his jurisdiction. If we send him off - on an expenses paid extravagandza to attend FIDA and some country has a genuine whinge he will say ""sorry I come from the land down under, that is your own problem". A useless hunk of meat that would be. Last edited by antichrist : 08-13-2011 at 12:27 PM

08-13-2011, 12:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	from Bright Side My thanks to Kevin for taking over the non-ratings side of our relations with FIDE. It has come as something of a relief, as the title applications have become a bridge too far for me in the last couple of years, particularly with the inexorable increase in the number of FIDE-rated events. It's been six years since I took over from Gary Bekker and I have certainly gained an appreciation for how much work there is besides the FIDE ratings to keep up with. Thanks also to some of the more recent title/transfer applicants for their patience when the applications didn't go through as quickly as they should have. My feeling from my early dealings with Kevin is all that is about to change for the better. Greg Canfell ACF FIDE Ratings Officer ---------------------------------------------------------- AC so shows that what KB knows is his duties he does very well but approach him with a left of field and .... well....???? Last edited by antichrist : 08-13-2011 at 01:02 PM

08-13-2011, 12:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
Amir Karibasic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 194	Originally Posted by antichrist Jamie Kenmure known as "Lost" would be perfect for this position. Who is Jamie Kenmure? Was he already on the exec to be nominated? . Jamie Kenmure "LOST" is Mr Worldwide International. Jamie is born to be a chess Ambasador. He can 'govori po russki' what is important because we need a good relationship with No.1 chess force - Russia. __________________ . Visit my chess shop! Last edited by Amir Karibasic : 08-13-2011 at 02:48 PM

08-13-2011, 12:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Amir Karibasic Jamie Kenmure "LOST" is Mr Worldwide International. Jamie is born to be a chess Ambasador. He can 'govori po russki' what is important because of we need good relationship with No.1 chess force - Russia. well get him onto the exective quick smart so he can move up the ranks

08-13-2011, 10:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Kevin Bonham AC st george as i understand it is a ratings matter. not my department Yesterday 06:25 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) well congrats for ACF for that, and hoped my little shove helped there, well you definitely can have a free trip or two now, i know you will be thorough. But I would had more confidence if you would have got more involved in that St George debate, you only needed a bit of a lean on someone Kevin Bonham\ now AC you fail on that one too because the ACF recently found and moved to a vastly cheaper hookup system for meetings Yesterday 06:22 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) if you can do those free video link ups for conferences and save those tele conference money you can have an extra trip as far as I am concerned Yesterday 06:21 PMKevin Bonham on other issues the ACF might leave it up to the delegate to make a decision, or advise the delegate that on the information it has it prefers one choice or the other Yesterday 06:20 PMKevin Bonham and that protects the delegate from intimidation (oh yes it happens) to vote one way or the other antichrist (Edit · Delete) well there I have it - why wasn't I told. anyway the best part again - is there a freebie trip overseas every so often? Yesterday 06:06 PMKevin Bonham have you ever tried conducting a secret ballot during a telephone meeting? Yesterday 06:06 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) well they should be secret, otherwise how do we know the true feelings of the voters? Yesterday 06:05 PMKevin Bonham it is rather different when an election is not a secret ballot AC Yesterday 06:05 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) they are not entitled to be scrutineers but they can monitor, most votes are put into a box at front, the candidate can monitor Yesterday 06:04 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) anyway the best part are their some freebie trips overseas - you would love that? Last edited by antichrist : 08-13-2011 at 10:20 PM

08-13-2011, 11:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Kevin Bonham unlike the national conference where there is a set process to elect the exec, ACF bearers of non-exec roles are appointed. thus it is not necessarily an election as such and often takes the form of a motion that so-and-so be appointed Today 10:01 PMKevin Bonham it is not appropriate for me to publicly discuss all details of the appointment process without the permission of others, which i won't be seeking Today 09:59 PMKevin Bonham there was a chance to submit comments in advance of the phone hookup Today 09:59 PMKevin Bonham AC what i know is that when i joined the meeting i was offered the position Today 09:24 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) And did you have a chance to campaign on issues or make a mission statement? Just wondering how it is done via phone hook up or video conf. Is there an immediate vote after nomination of candidates or campaign time? Can all cadidates be cross-exmained? Today 09:21 PMantichrist (Edit · Delete) KB, when you happen to visit, who was the other person or persons in the ballot for your new position? Was it a close vote or they dont tell you?

08-14-2011, 08:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham unlike the national conference where there is a set process to elect the exec, ACF bearers of non-exec roles are appointed. thus it is not necessarily an election as such and often takes the form of a motion that so-and-so be appointed The appointed are not elected. This truth is amply demonstrated by chess administration in Australia. It is plagued with insider clubs and the musty odor of dead wood and wet cloth. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-14-2011, 03:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Iconoclast The appointed are not elected. This truth is amply demonstrated by chess administration in Australia. It is plagued with insider clubs and the musty odor of dead wood and wet cloth. But Matt they at least keep the show going. I read Arionian's interveiw at bright side this morn and he reakons we have a good chess admin, but was he just being plesant? Now if no one's nose was put out of joint then it's hells bells - just like the mod elections here that I defend. Bring out the guy with the Jeff Fenech nose then we will listen. It has to be someone highy specialized who was already heavily involved. An outsider could not just walk in.

08-14-2011, 08:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by antichrist But Matt they at least keep the show going. I read Arionian's interveiw at bright side this morn and he reakons we have a good chess admin, but was he just being plesant? Now if no one's nose was put out of joint then it's hells bells - just like the mod elections here that I defend. Bring out the guy with the Jeff Fenech nose then we will listen. It has to be someone highy specialized who was already heavily involved. An outsider could not just walk in. 1. Any interview by a non-journo with the ACF will be a puff piece. 2. There is only one statistic that matters, the % rise in the number of bums on seats. If it ain't trending up, the ACF is a failure. 3. If the routine running of the ACF has not been written down in "How To XYZ" protocols, then the ACF deadwood have been derelict in their duty. They have created a system that needs them and them alone. You are making the mistake of trusting a bunch of rusted on seat warmers who simply go through the motions. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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