Dissemination of Information - OzChess

**Iconoclast** · 07-25-2007, 08:39 PM

When a dead line for an official decission has past, and the discussion has not been made, it is normal for the authority to issue a statement at the dead line saying somthing like: The Sydney Dog Club regrets that the list of finalists for the Champion of Champions 2008 has not yet been compiled due to unexpected circumstances. The SDC now intends to issue the list on or before 1st August 2008. The list will be published here.

The fact that the ACF has not said this anywhere in regard to the 2008AC bids, shows how secretive it is. Ad hoc blabbering for the Newsletter editor is not good enough. The fact that he has time to blabber something about it shows that it is not a matter of insufficient time/resourses. It is a simple matter of the ACF treating the chess players of this country like mushrooms.

The ACF is not the only organisation in the world that is secretive and non-communicative. However, it is OUR organisation and it is not good enough.

**Just2Good** · 07-25-2007, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The fact that the ACF has not said this anywhere in regard to the 2008AC bids, shows how secretive it is. Ad hoc blabbering for the Newsletter editor is not good enough .... It is a simple matter of the ACF treating the chess players of this country like mushrooms.

I agree that it does absoluely nothing for transparency. If Sydney gets to host the event, other competing bids might draw the conclusion that the process was a closed shop where their bid wasn't properly considered.

**Iconoclast** · 07-25-2007, 10:53 PM

I suspect that the CDS bid needs to get the written OK for the venue from the Bridge Club.

I think that in the persuit of having the best event, flexability of dead lines is a good thing. However, itis the secrecy that makes it *appear as if* the ACF is doing a *special favour* for CDS after the closing date for final bids.

This is why the ACF must lift its game in the communication stakes. They look secretive, they look sneaky, they look like they are frightened of the light.

**Just2Good** · 07-25-2007, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

This is why the ACF must lift its game in the communication stakes.

Agreed!

Rumour has it that only 3 offers to host the event have been made, 2 from NSW and one from Victoria.

**Zeitgeist** · 08-06-2007, 08:11 PM

I read Chris de Pasquale's column in the AGE last weekend about Ian Rogers success in the 1985/6 Championship. Where can I see the games?

**Watto** · 08-07-2007, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by van Riel

I read Chris de Pasquale's column in the AGE last weekend about Ian Rogers success in the 1985/6 Championship. Where can I see the games?

If you go to http://www.ozbase.paxmans.net/ it's there. Just scroll down until you come to the right year.

**Iconoclast** · 10-15-2007, 06:21 PM

Denis Jessop says:

Matt produced a newsletter that went for three issues. It was not a rival for the ACF Newsletter as it was intended to cover club matters that the ACF one did not. Matt and I exchanged e-mails on a quite amicable basis at the time when I encouraged him to keep his going for that reason. ... The ACF newsletter was already well established when Paul Broekhuyse resigned as editor. I simply took it up (reluctantly) from him, albeit with a gap spent trying to find a person acceptable to the Council.

This is all true. What I intended doing was to fill the gap where the ACF Newsletter had vanished. The ACF must have some kind of regular quality communication with the punters. I could not provide the perfect product because I was not in the ACF loop of information. Nevertheless, I tried (and succeeded!) in putting everything else in. When the ACF Newsletter finally did arc-up again, my work was superfluous.

The offer to be the chief editor/distributer is still their. But, like any deal, the needs to be some give and take. I give my time and effort, the ACF takes the heat generated by an independant monthly editorial. Since the ACF is so feeble, it may not wish to expose itself to fair critism of its performance, which would either kill or cure it.

**Firegoat7** · 10-16-2007, 02:17 AM

Hi,

Matt apply for the job as ACF newsletter editer. Make it in writing and reprint your application here and on Chesschat. Ask for details about job information. Find out when applications close. Fix a date for your involvement, that is, commit to exactly 3 or 6 months as a temporary appointment.

cheers Fg7

**WhiteElephant** · 10-16-2007, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The offer to be the chief editor/distributer is still their. But, like any deal, the needs to be some give and take. I give my time and effort, the ACF takes the heat generated by an independant monthly editorial. Since the ACF is so feeble, it may not wish to expose itself to fair critism of its performance, which would either kill or cure it.

Hi Matt,

I am no fan of the ACF but surely you know that if you make comments like the above, you would never be seriously considered for the role of newsletter editor. Look at it from their point of view. So I wonder, are you genuinely interested in taking up the position or is your purpose to be rejected so that you can use this as evidence that the ACF has something against you. I hope that you do genuinely want to be newsletter editor but obviously you would have to be a bit more diplomatic and not use it to push an anti-ACF agenda.

**Firegoat7** · 10-16-2007, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteElephant

I hope that you do genuinely want to be newsletter editor but obviously you would have to be a bit more diplomatic and not use it to push an anti-ACF agenda.

What is wrong with having a newsletter editer that questions the ACF agenda's?
Where is the ACF agenda stated publically? Where does this 'agenda' reside, except in the heads of a few elite chess officials?

cheers Fg7

**WhiteElephant** · 10-16-2007, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

What is wrong with having a newsletter editer that questions the ACF agenda's?
Where is the ACF agenda stated publically? Where does this 'agenda' reside, except in the heads of a few elite chess officials?

cheers Fg7

I agree with Matt on most counts regarding the ACF. But this is an ACF newsletter so obviously they don't want to be criticised by their own editor! I would expect the editor to collate information that is provided by clubs and other bodies in an unbiased manner. I don't have a problem with an editorial, in fact I think an editorial is a great idea. Just so long as it doesn't start out with the basic premise of being critical of the ACF. I believe that someone who volunteers to edit the ACF's newsletter should have the ACF's interests in mind. There are other more appropriate avenues for giving them a serve.

**Iconoclast** · 10-16-2007, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteElephant

... surely you know that if you make comments like the above, you would never be seriously considered for the role of newsletter editor. Look at it from their point of view. So I wonder, are you genuinely interested in taking up the position or is your purpose to be rejected so that you can use this as evidence that the ACF has something against you. I hope that you do genuinely want to be newsletter editor but obviously you would have to be a bit more diplomatic and not use it to push an anti-ACF agenda.

People and organisations can and do put themselves through pain when they have exhausted all other avenues. eg they go to detox, they bring in a new broom, they call the police, they join a bootcamp group. The ACF needs to take its medicine. Not until it reflects truthfully and openly upon its own deficiencies it will never improve. Having a mea culpa editorial in every newsletter would, I think, would be a good start.

Sure, I would/will run the newsletter, but I do think that the ACF has not yet rotted enough to ask for the kind of help it needs.

**Iconoclast** · 10-16-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteElephant

But this is an ACF newsletter so obviously they don't want to be criticised by their own editor!

Ahh! But WHY? Is it ego?

I believe that someone who volunteers to edit the ACF's newsletter should have the ACF's interests in mind.

No, not correct. There is something more important than the ACF. It is the chess culture and its future in Australia. The ACF is supposed to be the facilitator of such - the means to the ends. Therefore the editor has the duty to put the ACF under the microscope.

Protecting the ACF from criticism is not going to lead to improvement.

**MOZ** · 11-23-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

People and organisations can and do put themselves through pain when they have exhausted all other avenues. eg they go to detox, they bring in a new broom, they call the police, they join a bootcamp group. The ACF needs to take its medicine. Not until it reflects truthfully and openly upon its own deficiencies it will never improve. Having a mea culpa editorial in every newsletter would, I think, would be a good start.

Sure, I would/will run the newsletter, but I do think that the ACF has not yet rotted enough to ask for the kind of help it needs.

Just out of interest.
A few questions.

Have you applied recently to the ACF to become the newsletter editor?
What was the date of the NSWCA letter to you saying that you had to jump through hoops to re-join?
What was the date of the ACF resolution where they moved/agreed to not let you join the ACTCA Inc unless you jumped through similar hoops required by the NSWCA for re-joining?

MOZ*

**Iconoclast** · 11-23-2007, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Just out of interest.

The initiation of your interest is always interesting.

Have you applied recently to the ACF to become the newsletter editor?
What was the date of the NSWCA letter to you saying that you had to jump through hoops to re-join?
What was the date of the ACF resolution where they moved/agreed to not let you join the ACTCA Inc unless you jumped through similar hoops required by the NSWCA for re-joining?

1. No, not recently. However, my last offer was on 21-12-2006
2. 27-12-2006 The suspension concluded on 31-12-2006. (I was suspended 01-08-2005, 2 years and 3 months ago.)
3. The ACF did not say that I could not join the ACTCA. The ACF said on 27-12-2006, that they had "no jurisdiction to consider it," that the NSWCA ban was not effecting my ability to play in National events from 01-01-2007.

07-25-2007, 08:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Dissemination of Information When a dead line for an official decission has past, and the discussion has not been made, it is normal for the authority to issue a statement at the dead line saying somthing like: The Sydney Dog Club regrets that the list of finalists for the Champion of Champions 2008 has not yet been compiled due to unexpected circumstances. The SDC now intends to issue the list on or before 1st August 2008. The list will be published here. The fact that the ACF has not said this anywhere in regard to the 2008AC bids, shows how secretive it is. Ad hoc blabbering for the Newsletter editor is not good enough. The fact that he has time to blabber something about it shows that it is not a matter of insufficient time/resourses. It is a simple matter of the ACF treating the chess players of this country like mushrooms. The ACF is not the only organisation in the world that is secretive and non-communicative. However, it is OUR organisation and it is not good enough.

07-25-2007, 10:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Perceptions of a Closed Shop Originally Posted by Iconoclast The fact that the ACF has not said this anywhere in regard to the 2008AC bids, shows how secretive it is. Ad hoc blabbering for the Newsletter editor is not good enough .... It is a simple matter of the ACF treating the chess players of this country like mushrooms. I agree that it does absoluely nothing for transparency. If Sydney gets to host the event, other competing bids might draw the conclusion that the process was a closed shop where their bid wasn't properly considered.

07-25-2007, 11:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Iconoclast This is why the ACF must lift its game in the communication stakes. Agreed! Rumour has it that only 3 offers to host the event have been made, 2 from NSW and one from Victoria.

08-07-2007, 11:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
Watto Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 45	Originally Posted by van Riel I read Chris de Pasquale's column in the AGE last weekend about Ian Rogers success in the 1985/6 Championship. Where can I see the games? If you go to http://www.ozbase.paxmans.net/ it's there. Just scroll down until you come to the right year.

10-15-2007, 06:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Denis Jessop says: Matt produced a newsletter that went for three issues. It was not a rival for the ACF Newsletter as it was intended to cover club matters that the ACF one did not. Matt and I exchanged e-mails on a quite amicable basis at the time when I encouraged him to keep his going for that reason. ... The ACF newsletter was already well established when Paul Broekhuyse resigned as editor. I simply took it up (reluctantly) from him, albeit with a gap spent trying to find a person acceptable to the Council. This is all true. What I intended doing was to fill the gap where the ACF Newsletter had vanished. The ACF must have some kind of regular quality communication with the punters. I could not provide the perfect product because I was not in the ACF loop of information. Nevertheless, I tried (and succeeded!) in putting everything else in. When the ACF Newsletter finally did arc-up again, my work was superfluous. The offer to be the chief editor/distributer is still their. But, like any deal, the needs to be some give and take. I give my time and effort, the ACF takes the heat generated by an independant monthly editorial. Since the ACF is so feeble, it may not wish to expose itself to fair critism of its performance, which would either kill or cure it.

07-25-2007, 10:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	I suspect that the CDS bid needs to get the written OK for the venue from the Bridge Club. I think that in the persuit of having the best event, flexability of dead lines is a good thing. However, itis the secrecy that makes it appear as if the ACF is doing a special favour for CDS after the closing date for final bids. This is why the ACF must lift its game in the communication stakes. They look secretive, they look sneaky, they look like they are frightened of the light.

08-06-2007, 08:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Zeitgeist Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 35	I read Chris de Pasquale's column in the AGE last weekend about Ian Rogers success in the 1985/6 Championship. Where can I see the games?

10-16-2007, 02:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	if you build it they will come! Hi, Matt apply for the job as ACF newsletter editer. Make it in writing and reprint your application here and on Chesschat. Ask for details about job information. Find out when applications close. Fix a date for your involvement, that is, commit to exactly 3 or 6 months as a temporary appointment. cheers Fg7

10-16-2007, 03:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
WhiteElephant Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 98	Originally Posted by Iconoclast The offer to be the chief editor/distributer is still their. But, like any deal, the needs to be some give and take. I give my time and effort, the ACF takes the heat generated by an independant monthly editorial. Since the ACF is so feeble, it may not wish to expose itself to fair critism of its performance, which would either kill or cure it. Hi Matt, I am no fan of the ACF but surely you know that if you make comments like the above, you would never be seriously considered for the role of newsletter editor. Look at it from their point of view. So I wonder, are you genuinely interested in taking up the position or is your purpose to be rejected so that you can use this as evidence that the ACF has something against you. I hope that you do genuinely want to be newsletter editor but obviously you would have to be a bit more diplomatic and not use it to push an anti-ACF agenda.

10-16-2007, 05:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by WhiteElephant I hope that you do genuinely want to be newsletter editor but obviously you would have to be a bit more diplomatic and not use it to push an anti-ACF agenda. What is wrong with having a newsletter editer that questions the ACF agenda's? Where is the ACF agenda stated publically? Where does this 'agenda' reside, except in the heads of a few elite chess officials? cheers Fg7

10-16-2007, 06:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
WhiteElephant Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 98	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 What is wrong with having a newsletter editer that questions the ACF agenda's? Where is the ACF agenda stated publically? Where does this 'agenda' reside, except in the heads of a few elite chess officials? cheers Fg7 I agree with Matt on most counts regarding the ACF. But this is an ACF newsletter so obviously they don't want to be criticised by their own editor! I would expect the editor to collate information that is provided by clubs and other bodies in an unbiased manner. I don't have a problem with an editorial, in fact I think an editorial is a great idea. Just so long as it doesn't start out with the basic premise of being critical of the ACF. I believe that someone who volunteers to edit the ACF's newsletter should have the ACF's interests in mind. There are other more appropriate avenues for giving them a serve.

10-16-2007, 11:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by WhiteElephant ... surely you know that if you make comments like the above, you would never be seriously considered for the role of newsletter editor. Look at it from their point of view. So I wonder, are you genuinely interested in taking up the position or is your purpose to be rejected so that you can use this as evidence that the ACF has something against you. I hope that you do genuinely want to be newsletter editor but obviously you would have to be a bit more diplomatic and not use it to push an anti-ACF agenda. People and organisations can and do put themselves through pain when they have exhausted all other avenues. eg they go to detox, they bring in a new broom, they call the police, they join a bootcamp group. The ACF needs to take its medicine. Not until it reflects truthfully and openly upon its own deficiencies it will never improve. Having a mea culpa editorial in every newsletter would, I think, would be a good start. Sure, I would/will run the newsletter, but I do think that the ACF has not yet rotted enough to ask for the kind of help it needs.

10-16-2007, 11:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by WhiteElephant But this is an ACF newsletter so obviously they don't want to be criticised by their own editor! Ahh! But WHY? Is it ego? I believe that someone who volunteers to edit the ACF's newsletter should have the ACF's interests in mind. No, not correct. There is something more important than the ACF. It is the chess culture and its future in Australia. The ACF is supposed to be the facilitator of such - the means to the ends. Therefore the editor has the duty to put the ACF under the microscope. Protecting the ACF from criticism is not going to lead to improvement.

11-23-2007, 03:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by Iconoclast People and organisations can and do put themselves through pain when they have exhausted all other avenues. eg they go to detox, they bring in a new broom, they call the police, they join a bootcamp group. The ACF needs to take its medicine. Not until it reflects truthfully and openly upon its own deficiencies it will never improve. Having a mea culpa editorial in every newsletter would, I think, would be a good start. Sure, I would/will run the newsletter, but I do think that the ACF has not yet rotted enough to ask for the kind of help it needs. Just out of interest. A few questions. Have you applied recently to the ACF to become the newsletter editor? What was the date of the NSWCA letter to you saying that you had to jump through hoops to re-join? What was the date of the ACF resolution where they moved/agreed to not let you join the ACTCA Inc unless you jumped through similar hoops required by the NSWCA for re-joining? MOZ* __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

11-23-2007, 05:04 PM	#15 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by MOZ Just out of interest. The initiation of your interest is always interesting. Have you applied recently to the ACF to become the newsletter editor? What was the date of the NSWCA letter to you saying that you had to jump through hoops to re-join? What was the date of the ACF resolution where they moved/agreed to not let you join the ACTCA Inc unless you jumped through similar hoops required by the NSWCA for re-joining? 1. No, not recently. However, my last offer was on 21-12-2006 2. 27-12-2006 The suspension concluded on 31-12-2006. (I was suspended 01-08-2005, 2 years and 3 months ago.) 3. The ACF did not say that I could not join the ACTCA. The ACF said on 27-12-2006, that they had "no jurisdiction to consider it," that the NSWCA ban was not effecting my ability to play in National events from 01-01-2007. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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