Who should run chess in Australia? - OzChess

**Scott Colliver** · 03-21-2011, 06:51 PM

I read this talk about how the ACF is so bad and there needs to be major changes to chess admiinistration. I am wondering who do people want to see as the executive of governing body of chess in Australia? Why are these people better than who we have now? Why are these people not putting there hands up to lead Australian Chess now?
Scott

**Iconoclast** · 03-21-2011, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Colliver

I am wondering who do people want to see as the executive of governing body of chess in Australia?

Why are these people better than who we have now?

Why are these people not putting there hands up to lead Australian Chess now?

1. Individuals voted in by actual players. One vote per member of a possible "Australian Chess Association." (Not currently the case with the ACF)

2. Directly voted in individuals can be directly voted out. Therefore they would be Accountable. (Not currently the case with the ACF)

3. Battered wife syndrome (The current case with the ACF)

**Just2Good** · 10-12-2011, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Colliver

I read this talk about how the ACF is so bad and there needs to be major changes to chess admiinistration. I am wondering who do people want to see as the executive of governing body of chess in Australia? Why are these people better than who we have now? Why are these people not putting there hands up to lead Australian Chess now?
Scott

It really doesn't take a genius to run a chess tournament in Australia or anywhere else. For all the fees the ACF takes, one is left to wonder what (if anything) they get in return? Not a hell of a lot is the general consensus.

You may be right that without the ACF, the next lot won't be much better than the current lot. However, there would be less fees collected, and that would be good for average chess players.

**Firegoat7** · 10-12-2011, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

It really doesn't take a genius to run a chess tournament in Australia or anywhere else. For all the fees the ACF takes, one is left to wonder what (if anything) they get in return? Not a hell of a lot is the general consensus.

I would like to point out that the ACF do not run any tournaments. This would require those involved to DO. They NO DO . DOING requires action. NO DO requires apathy. Tendering tournaments is NO DO. The NO DOer's dump responsibility on the DOer's. Then the NO DOers like to eat the cake! Why should the ACF be allowed to eat cake when all the players get crumbs?

**Iconoclast** · 10-12-2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

This would require those involved to DO. They NO DO .

I would like to point out that they do do. The problem is that their do doing is substantially a lot of banning, bleating and bludgeoning on bulletin boards.

I hope a bus finds them.

**antichrist** · 10-12-2011, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I would like to point out that they do do. The problem is that their do doing is substantially a lot of banning, bleating and bludgeoning on bulletin boards.

I hope a bus finds them.

what we need is a great big freedom bus, big enuf for both websites and all Moz's vocabulory, and let it go for a long drive off a short pier - but coz of low tide it finds Nimbin, and they all end up high - for a hundred years or two

**Simon** · 02-05-2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Colliver

I read this talk about how the ACF is so bad and there needs to be major changes to chess admiinistration. I am wondering who do people want to see as the executive of governing body of chess in Australia? Why are these people better than who we have now? Why are these people not putting there hands up to lead Australian Chess now?
Scott

I think as a first step we need to move away from the volunteer model. Basically, a new corporation will hire only the best people to be its executives. Their goal is to make the corporation more prosperous.

With the ACF and organized chess in general, it depends on mostly volunteers. Hence you get lower quality people not committed to the cause the way they would be if they were getting paid like it was a real job.

**antichrist** · 02-06-2012, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Simon

I think as a first step we need to move away from the volunteer model. Basically, a new corporation will hire only the best people to be its executives. Their goal is to make the corporation more prosperous.

With the ACF and organized chess in general, it depends on mostly volunteers. Hence you get lower quality people not committed to the cause the way they would be if they were getting paid like it was a real job.

but basically we only want to enjoy ourselves, I have been a volunteer and everyone was happy enuf though I did not know that much about chess

03-21-2011, 06:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
Scott Colliver Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 88	Who should run chess in Australia? I read this talk about how the ACF is so bad and there needs to be major changes to chess admiinistration. I am wondering who do people want to see as the executive of governing body of chess in Australia? Why are these people better than who we have now? Why are these people not putting there hands up to lead Australian Chess now? Scott

03-21-2011, 07:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Scott Colliver I am wondering who do people want to see as the executive of governing body of chess in Australia? Why are these people better than who we have now? Why are these people not putting there hands up to lead Australian Chess now? 1. Individuals voted in by actual players. One vote per member of a possible "Australian Chess Association." (Not currently the case with the ACF) 2. Directly voted in individuals can be directly voted out. Therefore they would be Accountable. (Not currently the case with the ACF) 3. Battered wife syndrome (The current case with the ACF) __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

10-12-2011, 01:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Scott Colliver I read this talk about how the ACF is so bad and there needs to be major changes to chess admiinistration. I am wondering who do people want to see as the executive of governing body of chess in Australia? Why are these people better than who we have now? Why are these people not putting there hands up to lead Australian Chess now? Scott It really doesn't take a genius to run a chess tournament in Australia or anywhere else. For all the fees the ACF takes, one is left to wonder what (if anything) they get in return? Not a hell of a lot is the general consensus. You may be right that without the ACF, the next lot won't be much better than the current lot. However, there would be less fees collected, and that would be good for average chess players. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-12-2011, 04:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Just2Good It really doesn't take a genius to run a chess tournament in Australia or anywhere else. For all the fees the ACF takes, one is left to wonder what (if anything) they get in return? Not a hell of a lot is the general consensus. I would like to point out that the ACF do not run any tournaments. This would require those involved to DO. They NO DO . DOING requires action. NO DO requires apathy. Tendering tournaments is NO DO. The NO DOer's dump responsibility on the DOer's. Then the NO DOers like to eat the cake! Why should the ACF be allowed to eat cake when all the players get crumbs? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

10-12-2011, 05:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 This would require those involved to DO. They NO DO . I would like to point out that they do do. The problem is that their do doing is substantially a lot of banning, bleating and bludgeoning on bulletin boards. I hope a bus finds them. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

10-12-2011, 11:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Iconoclast I would like to point out that they do do. The problem is that their do doing is substantially a lot of banning, bleating and bludgeoning on bulletin boards. I hope a bus finds them. what we need is a great big freedom bus, big enuf for both websites and all Moz's vocabulory, and let it go for a long drive off a short pier - but coz of low tide it finds Nimbin, and they all end up high - for a hundred years or two

02-05-2012, 05:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 182	Originally Posted by Scott Colliver I read this talk about how the ACF is so bad and there needs to be major changes to chess admiinistration. I am wondering who do people want to see as the executive of governing body of chess in Australia? Why are these people better than who we have now? Why are these people not putting there hands up to lead Australian Chess now? Scott I think as a first step we need to move away from the volunteer model. Basically, a new corporation will hire only the best people to be its executives. Their goal is to make the corporation more prosperous. With the ACF and organized chess in general, it depends on mostly volunteers. Hence you get lower quality people not committed to the cause the way they would be if they were getting paid like it was a real job.

02-06-2012, 01:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Simon I think as a first step we need to move away from the volunteer model. Basically, a new corporation will hire only the best people to be its executives. Their goal is to make the corporation more prosperous. With the ACF and organized chess in general, it depends on mostly volunteers. Hence you get lower quality people not committed to the cause the way they would be if they were getting paid like it was a real job. but basically we only want to enjoy ourselves, I have been a volunteer and everyone was happy enuf though I did not know that much about chess

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