ACF Levies Payable By CV - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 08-05-2010, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Denis Jessop

David

Regarding your post #70 above, one of the problems with your letter to the ACF is that it is based on some fundamental misconceptions of the structure of the ACF that should be removed by a careful reading of the ACF Constitution.

One of those misconceptions is the nature of the relationship between the ACF and its affiliates of which CV is one. Whether CV is, or is not, a member of the ACF is wholly irrelevant. There is no doubt that CV is an ACF affiliate (see Despasquale v ACF per Gray J (Supreme Court of the ACT, 20 October 2000).

The ACF Constitution makes clear the relationship between the ACF, itself an incorporated association, and its affiliates. The operation of those provisions has no dependence on membership nor does their operation require any kind of contract.

I had thought that discussions between you and the ACF President that have taken place since your letter would have clarified that matter.

The simple fact is that the ACF has imposed a levy on Affiliated Associations in accordance with its constitutional powers and CV is obliged to pay its levied amount.

DJ
BA LlB (Melb)
ACF Vice President
Convenor, ACF Constitutional Subcommittee

So The ACF sent the President to "talk" with the CV Treasurer, and now the lad is simply supposed to hand over almost five grand of CV's money to the ACF?

I guess David is just a bit slow on the uptake, but don't worry Denis - after convincing him that contract law is not applicable, and that the ACF has a devine right to any sum of money they ask Chess Victoria to pay, I reckon eventually David will just catch on and stop asking so many questions.

ps - LL.B. is supposed to be capitalized, with a period both before and after the B, in case they didn't teach you that in law school.

**antichrist** · 08-05-2010, 09:28 AM

It appears Mr Green is doing a Jack Lang who was sacked by the NSW Governor for refusing loans back to GB when Aussies was starving. I did realise that the Victorian chess community were so impoverished.

**antichrist** · 08-05-2010, 09:33 AM

Spiny Norman: Hey JAK ... many VIC players are involved ... if people dig their heels in and the issue doesn't get resolved, many will be affected. Its absolutely appropriate for folk such as myself (who hold an official position with a CV-affiliated chess club) to get involved and put forward our opinions. However I would encourage all to make those opinions known directly to the parties involved, not by complaining on a public bulletin board. Send CV or ACF an email or a letter!

A
AO, he is telling you to shut up, esp you coz you are a banana bender

**Just2Good** · 08-06-2010, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Spiny Norman: Hey JAK ... many VIC players are involved ... if people dig their heels in and the issue doesn't get resolved, many will be affected. Its absolutely appropriate for folk such as myself (who hold an official position with a CV-affiliated chess club) to get involved and put forward our opinions. However I would encourage all to make those opinions known directly to the parties involved, not by complaining on a public bulletin board. Send CV or ACF an email or a letter!

A
AO, he is telling you to shut up, esp you coz you are a banana bender

Spiny is caught in a difficult spot because his best mates are in the ACF, so he cannot speak out against Bill's threats like Ian Rogers did. At the same time, as a Victorian chess player, he knows that CV is going to get hosed here and he feels powerless to do anything about it. Hence the ridiculous, 'everyone please work together and be friends, nonsensical approach.'

**Thomas Bishop** · 10-04-2010, 12:45 PM

Just wondering, did Chess Victoria ever pay these fees to the ACF?

**MOZ** · 10-04-2010, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop

Just wondering, did Chess Victoria ever pay these fees to the ACF?

Originally Posted by antichrist

I am blaming Moz for not realising that of course every year these fees must be paid and he should have shown them as accrued liabilities in the annual returns. And coz Moz has sewn up his lips over there be can only broadcast here that those invoices were not in CV at the time. But he wants them over there to read it. We all know we have to pay our local government land rates otherwise council will not process our development applications. (I just like picking on Moz)

Just noticed this one by a/c.

This might interest you a/c as you are from Byron Bay >>
Natural, Non-toxic Flea Control - Eartheasy.com Solutions for Sustainable Living

**antichrist** · 10-04-2010, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Just noticed this one by a/c.

This might interest you a/c as you are from Byron Bay >>
Natural, Non-toxic Flea Control - Eartheasy.com Solutions for Sustainable Living

First of all are you implying that I have fleas or that I am a pest - well I dont have dogs or cats coz I am a responsible greenie near a national park. And I only kill cats not feed them.

Now dont get me angry talking about bloody non-toxic green pest control. I used a supposed guy like that to do white ant control. The bastard charged me a fortune for putting a few baits in and monitoring them and then do reports to me whilst I in sydney. I told them I dont want any of this bullshit - so I did not pay him and got a decent guy to come and spray the place. what rip off wanker

I noticed you did everything except answer the query re CV fees? NO wonder Bill hounded you out of the place

**MOZ** · 10-04-2010, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

First of all are you implying that I have fleas

No.

It was a thought that jumped into my head because I had been reading here

Originally Posted by antichrist

or that I am a pest

Heaven forbid.

Originally Posted by antichrist

- well I dont have dogs or cats coz I am a responsible greenie near a national park. And I only kill cats not feed them.

Originally Posted by antichrist

Now dont get me angry talking about bloody non-toxic green pest control. I used a supposed guy like that to do white ant control. The bastard charged me a fortune for putting a few baits in and monitoring them and then do reports to me whilst I in sydney. I told them I dont want any of this bullshit - so I did not pay him and got a decent guy to come and spray the place. what rip off wanker

Originally Posted by antichrist

I noticed you did everything except answer the query re CV fees? NO wonder Bill hounded you out of the place

It was answered elsewhere.

At the risk of draw by repetition..yes, they have paid.

**JaK** · 10-05-2010, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop

Just wondering, did Chess Victoria ever pay these fees to the ACF?

Ask Sobriquet or even better someone from the CV committee! I know fees have been paid, but is good to have an official announcement rather than hearsay crap!

08-05-2010, 05:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	ACF Levies Payable By CV Originally Posted by Denis Jessop David Regarding your post #70 above, one of the problems with your letter to the ACF is that it is based on some fundamental misconceptions of the structure of the ACF that should be removed by a careful reading of the ACF Constitution. One of those misconceptions is the nature of the relationship between the ACF and its affiliates of which CV is one. Whether CV is, or is not, a member of the ACF is wholly irrelevant. There is no doubt that CV is an ACF affiliate (see Despasquale v ACF per Gray J (Supreme Court of the ACT, 20 October 2000). The ACF Constitution makes clear the relationship between the ACF, itself an incorporated association, and its affiliates. The operation of those provisions has no dependence on membership nor does their operation require any kind of contract. I had thought that discussions between you and the ACF President that have taken place since your letter would have clarified that matter. The simple fact is that the ACF has imposed a levy on Affiliated Associations in accordance with its constitutional powers and CV is obliged to pay its levied amount. DJ BA LlB (Melb) ACF Vice President Convenor, ACF Constitutional Subcommittee So The ACF sent the President to "talk" with the CV Treasurer, and now the lad is simply supposed to hand over almost five grand of CV's money to the ACF? I guess David is just a bit slow on the uptake, but don't worry Denis - after convincing him that contract law is not applicable, and that the ACF has a devine right to any sum of money they ask Chess Victoria to pay, I reckon eventually David will just catch on and stop asking so many questions. ps - LL.B. is supposed to be capitalized, with a period both before and after the B, in case they didn't teach you that in law school. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

08-05-2010, 09:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,548	from Bright side of moon Spiny Norman: Hey JAK ... many VIC players are involved ... if people dig their heels in and the issue doesn't get resolved, many will be affected. Its absolutely appropriate for folk such as myself (who hold an official position with a CV-affiliated chess club) to get involved and put forward our opinions. However I would encourage all to make those opinions known directly to the parties involved, not by complaining on a public bulletin board. Send CV or ACF an email or a letter! A AO, he is telling you to shut up, esp you coz you are a banana bender

08-06-2010, 05:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by antichrist Spiny Norman: Hey JAK ... many VIC players are involved ... if people dig their heels in and the issue doesn't get resolved, many will be affected. Its absolutely appropriate for folk such as myself (who hold an official position with a CV-affiliated chess club) to get involved and put forward our opinions. However I would encourage all to make those opinions known directly to the parties involved, not by complaining on a public bulletin board. Send CV or ACF an email or a letter! A AO, he is telling you to shut up, esp you coz you are a banana bender Spiny is caught in a difficult spot because his best mates are in the ACF, so he cannot speak out against Bill's threats like Ian Rogers did. At the same time, as a Victorian chess player, he knows that CV is going to get hosed here and he feels powerless to do anything about it. Hence the ridiculous, 'everyone please work together and be friends, nonsensical approach.' __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

10-04-2010, 03:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop Just wondering, did Chess Victoria ever pay these fees to the ACF? Originally Posted by antichrist I am blaming Moz for not realising that of course every year these fees must be paid and he should have shown them as accrued liabilities in the annual returns. And coz Moz has sewn up his lips over there be can only broadcast here that those invoices were not in CV at the time. But he wants them over there to read it. We all know we have to pay our local government land rates otherwise council will not process our development applications. (I just like picking on Moz) Just noticed this one by a/c. This might interest you a/c as you are from Byron Bay >> Natural, Non-toxic Flea Control - Eartheasy.com Solutions for Sustainable Living __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

10-04-2010, 06:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,548	Originally Posted by MOZ Just noticed this one by a/c. This might interest you a/c as you are from Byron Bay >> Natural, Non-toxic Flea Control - Eartheasy.com Solutions for Sustainable Living First of all are you implying that I have fleas or that I am a pest - well I dont have dogs or cats coz I am a responsible greenie near a national park. And I only kill cats not feed them. Now dont get me angry talking about bloody non-toxic green pest control. I used a supposed guy like that to do white ant control. The bastard charged me a fortune for putting a few baits in and monitoring them and then do reports to me whilst I in sydney. I told them I dont want any of this bullshit - so I did not pay him and got a decent guy to come and spray the place. what rip off wanker I noticed you did everything except answer the query re CV fees? NO wonder Bill hounded you out of the place

08-05-2010, 09:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,548	It appears Mr Green is doing a Jack Lang who was sacked by the NSW Governor for refusing loans back to GB when Aussies was starving. I did realise that the Victorian chess community were so impoverished.

10-04-2010, 12:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
Thomas Bishop Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 248	Just wondering, did Chess Victoria ever pay these fees to the ACF?

10-04-2010, 08:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by antichrist First of all are you implying that I have fleas No. It was a thought that jumped into my head because I had been reading here Originally Posted by antichrist or that I am a pest Heaven forbid. Originally Posted by antichrist - well I dont have dogs or cats coz I am a responsible greenie near a national park. And I only kill cats not feed them. Originally Posted by antichrist Now dont get me angry talking about bloody non-toxic green pest control. I used a supposed guy like that to do white ant control. The bastard charged me a fortune for putting a few baits in and monitoring them and then do reports to me whilst I in sydney. I told them I dont want any of this bullshit - so I did not pay him and got a decent guy to come and spray the place. what rip off wanker Originally Posted by antichrist I noticed you did everything except answer the query re CV fees? NO wonder Bill hounded you out of the place It was answered elsewhere. At the risk of draw by repetition..yes, they have paid. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

10-05-2010, 06:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
JaK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 391	Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop Just wondering, did Chess Victoria ever pay these fees to the ACF? Ask Sobriquet or even better someone from the CV committee! I know fees have been paid, but is good to have an official announcement rather than hearsay crap!

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