The use of the RATINGS service. - Page 9 - OzChess

**Iconoclast** · 03-17-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Just as the work-force available built rail systems with different gauges in VIC and NSW.
Standards make sense.

Your rail gage example does not hold water as a justification for co-operating with the ACF Glicko system. Rail unification requires a hugely huge amounts of money. Unification of two ratings systems requires nothing more than importation of a spread sheet.

Furthermore, I will give you a far superior example of how adoption of a standard can fail. The QWERTY keyboard. One of the most stupid decisions ever made was to persist with that standard. If the NJCL gets intimate with the ACF it will take more than IV antibiotics or antiretrovirals to cure your maladies.

If the NJCL accepts any "help" from the ACF, the ACF will cultivate a reliance and then exploit the addiction. You have seen and experienced the ACF first hand. Recall the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

**MOZ** · 03-17-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Your rail gage example does not hold water as a justification for co-operating with the ACF Glicko system. Rail unification requires a hugely huge amounts of money. Unification of two ratings systems requires nothing more than importation of a spread sheet.

Furthermore, I will give you a far superior example of how adoption of a standard can fail. The QWERTY keyboard. One of the most stupid decisions ever made was to persist with that standard. If the NJCL gets intimate with the ACF it will take more than IV antibiotics or antiretrovirals to cure your maladies.

If the NJCL accepts any "help" from the ACF, the ACF will cultivate a reliance and then exploit the addiction. You have seen and experienced the ACF first hand. Recall the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

The NJCL structure paper has been written by the ACF's man upstairs.
Game OVER.

**Iconoclast** · 03-17-2008, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

The NJCL structure paper has been written by the ACF's man upstairs.
Game OVER.

Oh dear, there I was, thinking that the NJCL would be fresh and new. Such collaboration with the enemy is profoundly disappointing. What is to be the next blunder? Whose cock-up in the NJCL will it be to have ACF officers imbedded in the NJCL? I feel sick to the stomach.

**Il cavaliere inesistente** · 03-19-2008, 05:39 PM

Whose cock-up in the NJCL will it be to have ACF officers imbedded in the NJCL? [from Iconoclast] How could you of all people think it would be different.

**Iconoclast** · 03-19-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ilportiere

How could you of all people think it would be different.

Well, I have been watching proceedings from afar, without a telescope. (I am not all together sure that the nice and decent sorts of people I perceived to be pushing the NJCL, actually need a loose canon on board, so I have run along parallel.) Anyway, I guess I am too much an idealist and so, allowed my wishes to cloud my perceptions of how clean, free and unencumbered the NJCL would be. Unfortunately, the old guard are in the ranks. A tragedy!

**Arcimboldo** · 11-05-2009, 01:05 PM

Can we have a link to FIDE ratings on the home-page?

**Just2Good** · 11-05-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Arcimboldo

Can we have a link to FIDE ratings on the home-page?

I don't see why not. What is the link, I will add it?

Best Regards,

J2G

**Lakshman** · 11-05-2009, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

I don't see why not. What is the link, I will add it?

Best Regards,

J2G

FIDE Chess ratings

**ChessGuru** · 12-25-2009, 10:27 PM

Australian only FIDE ratings alongside the Standard and Rapid (But only Victorians).

**Z&MLoh** · 12-26-2009, 11:49 AM

Why would anyone not go to the source here or individually here? Why double-handle the information?

**antichrist** · 12-26-2009, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Your rail gage example does not hold water as a justification for co-operating with the ACF Glicko system. Rail unification requires a hugely huge amounts of money. Unification of two ratings systems requires nothing more than importation of a spread sheet.

Furthermore, I will give you a far superior example of how adoption of a standard can fail. The QWERTY keyboard. One of the most stupid decisions ever made was to persist with that standard. If the NJCL gets intimate with the ACF it will take more than IV antibiotics or antiretrovirals to cure your maladies.

If the NJCL accepts any "help" from the ACF, the ACF will cultivate a reliance and then exploit the addiction. You have seen and experienced the ACF first hand. Recall the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

there is nothing wrong with the qwerty keyboard, inspite of the claim that it is designed to put "typewriter" all on the top line. what it does is put the most used letters in the easiest place to use.

**ChessGuru** · 12-27-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Z&MLoh

Why would anyone not go to the source here or individually here? Why double-handle the information?

Because FIDE only displays the Top 100 players from AUS on your first link, and the search results are much faster on the ChessClub.com.au site.

The internet is all about double and triple handling information and re-presenting it in a more convenient format.

**MOZ** · 12-27-2009, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

there is nothing wrong with the qwerty keyboard, inspite of the claim that it is designedto put "typewriter" all on the top line. what it does is put the most used letters in the easiest place to use.

Read here to see what it was really designed for.

**antichrist** · 12-27-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Read here to see what it was really designed for.

Well I learnt on a 1924 Remington typewriter in 1964 and it never did me any harm, only I press too hard on my little finger coz on that old typewriter that key was worn out - and having that strong push on a computer keyboard is disasterous, being the ; key it actually dis-ass-ers words

**santa** · 01-04-2010, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

A very good choice MOZ.

I can replicate the thread here in a better fashion that linking on it if you like. I think it would be a good idea, what do you think?

AO

I think it a waste of time. I've read the thread and there's nothing new there, anywhere on the site, in three years or so as far as I can see.

If we want yet another debate on ratings, let's start from scratch. Introduce the topic, ensure all state ratings officers and Bill, and all Australian clubs know it's on.

Ensure all interested parties know it's on and let's find out what they actually want.

Make sure The Flude, le Baron and others who might like to offer a hand know it's on.

Let's do it here.

03-17-2008, 07:34 PM	#121 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by MOZ Just as the work-force available built rail systems with different gauges in VIC and NSW. Standards make sense. Your rail gage example does not hold water as a justification for co-operating with the ACF Glicko system. Rail unification requires a hugely huge amounts of money. Unification of two ratings systems requires nothing more than importation of a spread sheet. Furthermore, I will give you a far superior example of how adoption of a standard can fail. The QWERTY keyboard. One of the most stupid decisions ever made was to persist with that standard. If the NJCL gets intimate with the ACF it will take more than IV antibiotics or antiretrovirals to cure your maladies. If the NJCL accepts any "help" from the ACF, the ACF will cultivate a reliance and then exploit the addiction. You have seen and experienced the ACF first hand. Recall the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-17-2008, 08:13 PM	#122 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Your rail gage example does not hold water as a justification for co-operating with the ACF Glicko system. Rail unification requires a hugely huge amounts of money. Unification of two ratings systems requires nothing more than importation of a spread sheet. Furthermore, I will give you a far superior example of how adoption of a standard can fail. The QWERTY keyboard. One of the most stupid decisions ever made was to persist with that standard. If the NJCL gets intimate with the ACF it will take more than IV antibiotics or antiretrovirals to cure your maladies. If the NJCL accepts any "help" from the ACF, the ACF will cultivate a reliance and then exploit the addiction. You have seen and experienced the ACF first hand. Recall the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." The NJCL structure paper has been written by the ACF's man upstairs. Game OVER. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

03-17-2008, 09:25 PM	#123 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by MOZ The NJCL structure paper has been written by the ACF's man upstairs. Game OVER. Oh dear, there I was, thinking that the NJCL would be fresh and new. Such collaboration with the enemy is profoundly disappointing. What is to be the next blunder? Whose cock-up in the NJCL will it be to have ACF officers imbedded in the NJCL? I feel sick to the stomach. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-19-2008, 05:39 PM	#124 (permalink)
Il cavaliere inesistente Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 196	How could it be otherwise? Whose cock-up in the NJCL will it be to have ACF officers imbedded in the NJCL? [from Iconoclast] How could you of all people think it would be different.

03-19-2008, 07:42 PM	#125 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Ilportiere How could you of all people think it would be different. Well, I have been watching proceedings from afar, without a telescope. (I am not all together sure that the nice and decent sorts of people I perceived to be pushing the NJCL, actually need a loose canon on board, so I have run along parallel.) Anyway, I guess I am too much an idealist and so, allowed my wishes to cloud my perceptions of how clean, free and unencumbered the NJCL would be. Unfortunately, the old guard are in the ranks. A tragedy! __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

11-05-2009, 01:05 PM	#126 (permalink)
Arcimboldo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 21	Can we have a link to FIDE ratings on the home-page?

11-05-2009, 01:12 PM	#127 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Sure, Why Not? Originally Posted by Arcimboldo Can we have a link to FIDE ratings on the home-page? I don't see why not. What is the link, I will add it? Best Regards, J2G __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

11-05-2009, 02:02 PM	#128 (permalink)
Lakshman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 329	Originally Posted by Just2Good I don't see why not. What is the link, I will add it? Best Regards, J2G FIDE Chess ratings __________________ God is Great

12-25-2009, 10:27 PM	#129 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	Australian only FIDE ratings alongside the Standard and Rapid (But only Victorians).

12-26-2009, 11:49 AM	#130 (permalink)
Z&MLoh Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 286	Why would anyone not go to the source here or individually here? Why double-handle the information?

12-26-2009, 11:03 PM	#131 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Your rail gage example does not hold water as a justification for co-operating with the ACF Glicko system. Rail unification requires a hugely huge amounts of money. Unification of two ratings systems requires nothing more than importation of a spread sheet. Furthermore, I will give you a far superior example of how adoption of a standard can fail. The QWERTY keyboard. One of the most stupid decisions ever made was to persist with that standard. If the NJCL gets intimate with the ACF it will take more than IV antibiotics or antiretrovirals to cure your maladies. If the NJCL accepts any "help" from the ACF, the ACF will cultivate a reliance and then exploit the addiction. You have seen and experienced the ACF first hand. Recall the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." there is nothing wrong with the qwerty keyboard, inspite of the claim that it is designed to put "typewriter" all on the top line. what it does is put the most used letters in the easiest place to use.

12-27-2009, 11:37 AM	#132 (permalink)
ChessGuru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 232	Originally Posted by Z&MLoh Why would anyone not go to the source here or individually here? Why double-handle the information? Because FIDE only displays the Top 100 players from AUS on your first link, and the search results are much faster on the ChessClub.com.au site. The internet is all about double and triple handling information and re-presenting it in a more convenient format.

12-27-2009, 01:55 PM	#133 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	It was designed to minimize typebar clashes, Originally Posted by antichrist there is nothing wrong with the qwerty keyboard, inspite of the claim that it is designedto put "typewriter" all on the top line. what it does is put the most used letters in the easiest place to use. Read here to see what it was really designed for. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

12-27-2009, 04:31 PM	#134 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by MOZ Read here to see what it was really designed for. Well I learnt on a 1924 Remington typewriter in 1964 and it never did me any harm, only I press too hard on my little finger coz on that old typewriter that key was worn out - and having that strong push on a computer keyboard is disasterous, being the ; key it actually dis-ass-ers words

01-04-2010, 01:37 PM	#135 (permalink)
santa Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Meadow Springs wa Posts: 64 FICS Handle: johncs	Originally Posted by Just2Good A very good choice MOZ. I can replicate the thread here in a better fashion that linking on it if you like. I think it would be a good idea, what do you think? AO I think it a waste of time. I've read the thread and there's nothing new there, anywhere on the site, in three years or so as far as I can see. If we want yet another debate on ratings, let's start from scratch. Introduce the topic, ensure all state ratings officers and Bill, and all Australian clubs know it's on. Ensure all interested parties know it's on and let's find out what they actually want. Make sure The Flude, le Baron and others who might like to offer a hand know it's on. Let's do it here. Last edited by santa : 01-04-2010 at 01:48 PM

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