Bill Gletsos COI - OzChess

**Iconoclast** · 07-18-2007, 11:06 PM

THE ACF has had some difficulty in having its 2008 Australian Championships confirmed in a timely manner. When it became apparent that there was no bidder able to organise sponsorship at such short notice, the ACF voted away the 50% share of profits by-law. It further encouraged interest with a promise to cover any losses up to $2 000.

Chess Victoria (CV) placed a bid and at least two other potential bidders are constructing bids. Throughout this process, the NSWCA President refused to enter into any dialogue with potential bidders from NSW declaring that the NSWCA would not bear any responsibility for a bid emanating from NSW.

We now know that, there is a Parramatta NSW bid with Shane Burgess (NSWCA Vice President) as principal. The bid is authorised by Bill Gletsos. The Paramatta bid has cheaper entry fees than CV because NSWCA is providing sponsorship money.

The CONFLICT OF INTEREST:

Bill Gletsos is a Vice President of the ACF.
Bill Gletsos is the President of the NSWCA.

As ACF V. Pres., he played a major part as the ACF
1) Voted away the 50% share of profits by-law and
2) Offered to cover any losses up to $2 000 by the winning bidder.
As NSWCA Pres., he was personally and publicly
1) Disparaging of the Chess Victoria bid.
2) Non-supportive of other potential NSW bidding groups.
3) Deliberately omitted from the chess community debate, a secret plan: a harboured plan whereby the NSWCA Vice President would be able to place a “better” bid than any other group because the details of those other groups’ bids would be known to the NSWCA.

Bill Gletsos’ manifest inability to ethically manage conflicts of interest have brought NSW chess and the game into disrepute. I call upon Bill Gletsos to immediately resign not from either the NSWCA or the ACF, thereby resolving the conflict of interest matter, but to resign from both bodies.

**Egor** · 07-19-2007, 08:57 AM

Dear Iconoclast,
I don't know who you are, but it is clear you either, don't check your facts, or are happy to make stories up to suit your purposes. Your claim that the NSWCA is sponsoring the Parramatta bid in any financial sense is just simply wrong. On a far more minor point you cannot even get Shane Burgess' position on the NSWCA right.

Dear Alex T,
I'm a supporter of the idea of a alternitive forum to CC, but I gave up on ACC because of the same type of half baked posts as Iconoclast's above. If you really want this forum to succeed, I would suggest you do whatever you can to avoid going down this line.

**phild707** · 07-19-2007, 04:00 PM

If what Iconoclast writes above is true then Mr Gletsos is guilty of corruption, however if it is not then he should be asked to retract and apologise.

In either case this no one should be permitted to post potentially defamatory material of this nature without at least making their identity known by populating their profile with relevant details.

As far as I can see this has not been done and accordingly the post should be removed.

Phil.

**Just2Good** · 07-19-2007, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by phild707

If what Iconoclast writes above is true then Mr Gletsos is guilty of corruption, however if it is not then he should be asked to retract and apologise.

In either case this no one should be permitted to post potentially defamatory material of this nature without at least making their identity known by populating their profile with relevant details.

As far as I can see this has not been done and accordingly the post should be removed.

Phil.

I don't know who iconoclast is, but will state the obvious just to set the record straight.

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To paraphrase the High Court of Australia and the great jurist Dawson, there is an implied freedom of speech in the Australian Constitution allowing, at the very least, unhampered discussion to take place relating to matters of a political nature.

AO

**Iconoclast** · 07-19-2007, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Egor

Your claim that the NSWCA is sponsoring the Parramatta bid in any financial sense is just simply wrong.

I have been told that the NSWCA will be acting to aid the Parramatta bid with financially advantagous actions. That makes it a sponsor.

On a far more minor point you cannot even get Shane Burgess' position on the NSWCA right.

If it is so minor, shut up about it. Do not cloud the main issue here, which is: the deceptive manner in which Bill Gletsos has conducted himself, by ommitting to tell the chess community that the NSWCA was behind a bid.

ACC because of the same type of half baked posts as Iconoclast's above.

No mate, you have simpley given up on condemning questionable ethics which says plenty.

**Egor** · 07-19-2007, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I have been told that the NSWCA will be acting to aid the Parramatta bid with financially advantagous actions. That makes it a sponsor.

Told by who? I suggest you have a word with the person/s because they are telling you tall storys. Do you know what these, "finanially advantadous actions", are supposed to be? Have you made any effort to check the accuracy of what you've been told, or was it just enough for you that it was against Bill Glestos?

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

If it is so minor, shut up about it. Do not cloud the main issue here, which is: the deceptive manner in which Bill Gletsos has conducted himself, by ommitting to tell the chess community that the NSWCA was behind a bid.

The simple answer is that the NSWCA is not behind the bid, so your main issue does not exsist.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

No mate, you have simpley given up on condemning questionable ethics which says plenty.

Again you have wrong information, I'm completely willing to condemn questionable ethics. However, in this case there are no questionable ethics, just what appears to be a complete figment of your imagination.

**Iconoclast** · 07-20-2007, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Egor

Do you know what these, "finanially advantadous actions", are supposed to be?

The NSWCA sponsored the Sydney International Open (NSW) with $500. Only a fool would think that the NSWCA would not dop the same for the Australian Championships to be held in NSW.

Can you promise that NSWCA WILL NOT do the same/similar for the both these events.

The simple answer is that the NSWCA is not behind the bid, so your main issue does not exsist.

This is wrong is that powerful NSWCA councilors are running the bid (and the event). The Parramatta bid reads "... the composition of the tournament committee if any Shane Burgess, Tarun Pant and Bill Gletsos (to comply with relevant ACF by-laws)." Thus the NSWCA is up to its neck in the event.

Again you have wrong information, I'm completely willing to condemn questionable ethics. However, in this case there are no questionable ethics, just what appears to be a complete figment of your imagination.

Ethics? Ethics? Do you know what you are talking about. It is patently clear from his comments on the CV bid that Bill Gletsos has been privy to it. He then is found to be on the organising committee of the Parramatta bid. THAT, sir, is a CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

Bill Gletsos must resign completely from at least one of the bodies, ACF or NSWCA. You know this to be true. If you had an ounce of moral strength you would agree. However, you are a victim of the Gletsos method and now kowtow to him. Be a man and stand up to him.

**Spiny Norman** · 07-20-2007, 04:42 PM

Even if Bill were involved with one of the parties making a bid AND the bid were endorsed by the NSWCA (of which he is an official) AND the bid were considered by the ACF (of which he is an official) ... the COI could surely be resolved by him recusing himself from acting in 2 of the 3 roles (e.g. when the bid comes before the NSWCA and the ACF he can exit the room and let others make the decision). Such action should be clearly recorded in the minutes, which are verified/checked/agreed to by the other officials of the NSWCA and ACF as confirmation.

**Egor** · 07-20-2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The NSWCA sponsored the Sydney International Open (NSW) with $500. Only a fool would think that the NSWCA would not dop the same for the Australian Championships to be held in NSW.

This is an assumption based on a single past action. Earlier you stated, "I have been told that the NSWCA will be acting to aid the Parramatta bid with financially advantagous actions." so what exactly have you been told?

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Can you promise that NSWCA WILL NOT do the same/similar for the both these events.

I don't make promises to anonymous strangers. Especially ones who appear to make up stories about being told of things that don't exsist. (financially advantagous actions?)

**Iconoclast** · 07-20-2007, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Egor

This is an assumption based on a single past action. Earlier you stated, "I have been told that the NSWCA will be acting to aid the Parramatta bid with financially advantagous actions." so what exactly have you been told?

The wording was "[and cheaper] entry fees than CV because NSWCA is tipping in some money." If this turns out to be incorrect I would be extremely surprised.

When are you going to tell us that the NSWCA IS NOT going to sponsor or fund or help out or supply in-kind or otherwise engage in "financially advantagous actions."

You had better get in contact with your master before you answer. You would not want to be on the wrong side of Bill Gletsos.

**Iconoclast** · 07-20-2007, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by frosty

the COI could surely be resolved by him recusing himself from acting in 2 of the 3 roles

No Fosty. Bill Gletsos has such a strong influence on the weak willed individuals around him, that regardless of his staying out of the meeting and not voting, he would be influencing the decission. No, Frosty, he must go.

**Egor** · 07-20-2007, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The wording was "[and cheaper] entry fees than CV because NSWCA is tipping in some money." If this turns out to be incorrect I would be extremely surprised.

Thank you for answering my question. Whoever told you this is incorrect, I can tell you that the NSWCA has not promised to tip any money whatsoever into any bid. If the Parramatta bid has cheaper entry fees than the CV bid (I have not seen both bids so I don't now if it is the case) it is not because the NSWCA has promised to tip in some money.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

When are you going to tell us that the NSWCA IS NOT going to sponsor or fund or help out or supply in-kind or otherwise engage in "financially advantagous actions."

I honestly cannot tell you what the NSWCA will or will not do in the future, that is just impossible. If the people at Parramatta succed in their bid for the Aus Championship and if they ask for money from the NSWCA, it will then be put to a vote. I cannot tell you how the council vote, I cannot even tell you how I would vote. It would very much depend on how much was being asked for and why it was being asked for.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

You had better get in contact with your master before you answer. You would not want to be on the wrong side of Bill Gletsos.

Who are you refering to when you say, "your master"?
As for getting on the wrong side of Bill, been there, done that, planning future excursions.:p

**Iconoclast** · 07-20-2007, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Egor

Who are you refering to when you say, "your master"?
As for getting on the wrong side of Bill, been there, done that, planning future excursions.:p

NSW players need you to put a motion of no confidence in Master Bill at the next NSWCA. That would put him off side. Do you have the stomach for it?

**Spiny Norman** · 07-21-2007, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Bill Gletsos has such a strong influence on the weak willed individuals around him, that regardless of his staying out of the meeting and not voting, he would be influencing the decision.

Its since become clear that NSWCA is endorsing all half-reasonable bids being put forward in NSW, as a matter of policy. So its difficult to see any conflict of interest with the NSWCA hat on. If Bill is not an instigator or promotor of any specific NSW-based bid, then he really only has one hat on for this process, and that's the ACF hat as Deputy President.

Then you have the question of whether people with an ACF hat, who also wear a state hat (and there are quite a few), whether they should be involved in voting on bids from their state. There is a structural issue here, as the ACF is a federation of states, so state-based interests are built in to the system. Might be completely unworkable to try to avoid that.

Just makes me glad I'm not involved in it!

**Iconoclast** · 07-21-2007, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by frosty

If Bill is not an instigator or promotor of any specific NSW-based bid, then he really only has one hat on for this process, and that's the ACF hat as Deputy President.

Unfortunately, Bill Gletsos does have an interest in the Parramatta bid. Let me quote from the publically posted Parramatta bid.
"Tournament committee
Shane Burgess, Tarun Pant and Bill Gletsos."

Hence, the COI is factual.

Then you have the question of whether people with an ACF hat, who also wear a state hat ... Might be completely unworkable to try to avoid that.

Exactly right. Unworkable. The ACF it is must be abandonned. If Australian chess is to avoid the risk of extinction, anew peak body must TAKE the power.

07-18-2007, 11:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Bill Gletsos COI THE ACF has had some difficulty in having its 2008 Australian Championships confirmed in a timely manner. When it became apparent that there was no bidder able to organise sponsorship at such short notice, the ACF voted away the 50% share of profits by-law. It further encouraged interest with a promise to cover any losses up to $2 000. Chess Victoria (CV) placed a bid and at least two other potential bidders are constructing bids. Throughout this process, the NSWCA President refused to enter into any dialogue with potential bidders from NSW declaring that the NSWCA would not bear any responsibility for a bid emanating from NSW. We now know that, there is a Parramatta NSW bid with Shane Burgess (NSWCA Vice President) as principal. The bid is authorised by Bill Gletsos. The Paramatta bid has cheaper entry fees than CV because NSWCA is providing sponsorship money. The CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Bill Gletsos is a Vice President of the ACF. Bill Gletsos is the President of the NSWCA. As ACF V. Pres., he played a major part as the ACF 1) Voted away the 50% share of profits by-law and 2) Offered to cover any losses up to $2 000 by the winning bidder. As NSWCA Pres., he was personally and publicly 1) Disparaging of the Chess Victoria bid. 2) Non-supportive of other potential NSW bidding groups. 3) Deliberately omitted from the chess community debate, a secret plan: a harboured plan whereby the NSWCA Vice President would be able to place a “better” bid than any other group because the details of those other groups’ bids would be known to the NSWCA. Bill Gletsos’ manifest inability to ethically manage conflicts of interest have brought NSW chess and the game into disrepute. I call upon Bill Gletsos to immediately resign not from either the NSWCA or the ACF, thereby resolving the conflict of interest matter, but to resign from both bodies.

07-19-2007, 04:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
phild707 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Burnie International Airport Posts: 298	If what Iconoclast writes above is true then Mr Gletsos is guilty of corruption, however if it is not then he should be asked to retract and apologise. In either case this no one should be permitted to post potentially defamatory material of this nature without at least making their identity known by populating their profile with relevant details. As far as I can see this has not been done and accordingly the post should be removed. Phil. __________________ "It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any." Mae West

07-19-2007, 05:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Freedom of Speech on Political Matters? Originally Posted by phild707 If what Iconoclast writes above is true then Mr Gletsos is guilty of corruption, however if it is not then he should be asked to retract and apologise. In either case this no one should be permitted to post potentially defamatory material of this nature without at least making their identity known by populating their profile with relevant details. As far as I can see this has not been done and accordingly the post should be removed. Phil. I don't know who iconoclast is, but will state the obvious just to set the record straight. The views expressed by posters of this site are solely their own and do not reflect the views and opinions of this site itself, nor are such views or opinions endorsed by this site. No warranty is made by this site regarding the truthfulness or otherwise of posts made by users of this site. As of yet no request to have any posts moderated have been made to be, but I haven't yet checked my email today. If such a request is made I will consider the merits, and take action if it is warranted. That said I tend to be conservative about such things and will endeavour not to 'over moderate' as is done on other chess bulletins. To paraphrase the High Court of Australia and the great jurist Dawson, there is an implied freedom of speech in the Australian Constitution allowing, at the very least, unhampered discussion to take place relating to matters of a political nature. AO

07-19-2007, 07:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Egor Your claim that the NSWCA is sponsoring the Parramatta bid in any financial sense is just simply wrong. I have been told that the NSWCA will be acting to aid the Parramatta bid with financially advantagous actions. That makes it a sponsor. On a far more minor point you cannot even get Shane Burgess' position on the NSWCA right. If it is so minor, shut up about it. Do not cloud the main issue here, which is: the deceptive manner in which Bill Gletsos has conducted himself, by ommitting to tell the chess community that the NSWCA was behind a bid. ACC because of the same type of half baked posts as Iconoclast's above. No mate, you have simpley given up on condemning questionable ethics which says plenty.

07-19-2007, 10:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Egor Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	Originally Posted by Iconoclast I have been told that the NSWCA will be acting to aid the Parramatta bid with financially advantagous actions. That makes it a sponsor. Told by who? I suggest you have a word with the person/s because they are telling you tall storys. Do you know what these, "finanially advantadous actions", are supposed to be? Have you made any effort to check the accuracy of what you've been told, or was it just enough for you that it was against Bill Glestos? Originally Posted by Iconoclast If it is so minor, shut up about it. Do not cloud the main issue here, which is: the deceptive manner in which Bill Gletsos has conducted himself, by ommitting to tell the chess community that the NSWCA was behind a bid. The simple answer is that the NSWCA is not behind the bid, so your main issue does not exsist. Originally Posted by Iconoclast No mate, you have simpley given up on condemning questionable ethics which says plenty. Again you have wrong information, I'm completely willing to condemn questionable ethics. However, in this case there are no questionable ethics, just what appears to be a complete figment of your imagination.

07-19-2007, 08:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Egor Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	Dear Iconoclast, I don't know who you are, but it is clear you either, don't check your facts, or are happy to make stories up to suit your purposes. Your claim that the NSWCA is sponsoring the Parramatta bid in any financial sense is just simply wrong. On a far more minor point you cannot even get Shane Burgess' position on the NSWCA right. Dear Alex T, I'm a supporter of the idea of a alternitive forum to CC, but I gave up on ACC because of the same type of half baked posts as Iconoclast's above. If you really want this forum to succeed, I would suggest you do whatever you can to avoid going down this line.

07-20-2007, 09:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Egor Do you know what these, "finanially advantadous actions", are supposed to be? The NSWCA sponsored the Sydney International Open (NSW) with $500. Only a fool would think that the NSWCA would not dop the same for the Australian Championships to be held in NSW. Can you promise that NSWCA WILL NOT do the same/similar for the both these events. The simple answer is that the NSWCA is not behind the bid, so your main issue does not exsist. This is wrong is that powerful NSWCA councilors are running the bid (and the event). The Parramatta bid reads "... the composition of the tournament committee if any Shane Burgess, Tarun Pant and Bill Gletsos (to comply with relevant ACF by-laws)." Thus the NSWCA is up to its neck in the event. Again you have wrong information, I'm completely willing to condemn questionable ethics. However, in this case there are no questionable ethics, just what appears to be a complete figment of your imagination. Ethics? Ethics? Do you know what you are talking about. It is patently clear from his comments on the CV bid that Bill Gletsos has been privy to it. He then is found to be on the organising committee of the Parramatta bid. THAT, sir, is a CONFLICT OF INTEREST. Bill Gletsos must resign completely from at least one of the bodies, ACF or NSWCA. You know this to be true. If you had an ounce of moral strength you would agree. However, you are a victim of the Gletsos method and now kowtow to him. Be a man and stand up to him.

07-20-2007, 04:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Spiny Norman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 224	Even if Bill were involved with one of the parties making a bid AND the bid were endorsed by the NSWCA (of which he is an official) AND the bid were considered by the ACF (of which he is an official) ... the COI could surely be resolved by him recusing himself from acting in 2 of the 3 roles (e.g. when the bid comes before the NSWCA and the ACF he can exit the room and let others make the decision). Such action should be clearly recorded in the minutes, which are verified/checked/agreed to by the other officials of the NSWCA and ACF as confirmation.

07-20-2007, 05:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
Egor Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	Originally Posted by Iconoclast The NSWCA sponsored the Sydney International Open (NSW) with $500. Only a fool would think that the NSWCA would not dop the same for the Australian Championships to be held in NSW. This is an assumption based on a single past action. Earlier you stated, "I have been told that the NSWCA will be acting to aid the Parramatta bid with financially advantagous actions." so what exactly have you been told? Originally Posted by Iconoclast Can you promise that NSWCA WILL NOT do the same/similar for the both these events. I don't make promises to anonymous strangers. Especially ones who appear to make up stories about being told of things that don't exsist. (financially advantagous actions?)

07-20-2007, 05:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Egor This is an assumption based on a single past action. Earlier you stated, "I have been told that the NSWCA will be acting to aid the Parramatta bid with financially advantagous actions." so what exactly have you been told? The wording was "[and cheaper] entry fees than CV because NSWCA is tipping in some money." If this turns out to be incorrect I would be extremely surprised. When are you going to tell us that the NSWCA IS NOT going to sponsor or fund or help out or supply in-kind or otherwise engage in "financially advantagous actions." You had better get in contact with your master before you answer. You would not want to be on the wrong side of Bill Gletsos.

07-20-2007, 05:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by frosty the COI could surely be resolved by him recusing himself from acting in 2 of the 3 roles No Fosty. Bill Gletsos has such a strong influence on the weak willed individuals around him, that regardless of his staying out of the meeting and not voting, he would be influencing the decission. No, Frosty, he must go.

07-20-2007, 07:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
Egor Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	Originally Posted by Iconoclast The wording was "[and cheaper] entry fees than CV because NSWCA is tipping in some money." If this turns out to be incorrect I would be extremely surprised. Thank you for answering my question. Whoever told you this is incorrect, I can tell you that the NSWCA has not promised to tip any money whatsoever into any bid. If the Parramatta bid has cheaper entry fees than the CV bid (I have not seen both bids so I don't now if it is the case) it is not because the NSWCA has promised to tip in some money. Originally Posted by Iconoclast When are you going to tell us that the NSWCA IS NOT going to sponsor or fund or help out or supply in-kind or otherwise engage in "financially advantagous actions." I honestly cannot tell you what the NSWCA will or will not do in the future, that is just impossible. If the people at Parramatta succed in their bid for the Aus Championship and if they ask for money from the NSWCA, it will then be put to a vote. I cannot tell you how the council vote, I cannot even tell you how I would vote. It would very much depend on how much was being asked for and why it was being asked for. Originally Posted by Iconoclast You had better get in contact with your master before you answer. You would not want to be on the wrong side of Bill Gletsos. Who are you refering to when you say, "your master"? As for getting on the wrong side of Bill, been there, done that, planning future excursions.:p

07-20-2007, 11:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Egor Who are you refering to when you say, "your master"? As for getting on the wrong side of Bill, been there, done that, planning future excursions.:p NSW players need you to put a motion of no confidence in Master Bill at the next NSWCA. That would put him off side. Do you have the stomach for it?

07-21-2007, 11:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
Spiny Norman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Bill Gletsos has such a strong influence on the weak willed individuals around him, that regardless of his staying out of the meeting and not voting, he would be influencing the decision. Its since become clear that NSWCA is endorsing all half-reasonable bids being put forward in NSW, as a matter of policy. So its difficult to see any conflict of interest with the NSWCA hat on. If Bill is not an instigator or promotor of any specific NSW-based bid, then he really only has one hat on for this process, and that's the ACF hat as Deputy President. Then you have the question of whether people with an ACF hat, who also wear a state hat (and there are quite a few), whether they should be involved in voting on bids from their state. There is a structural issue here, as the ACF is a federation of states, so state-based interests are built in to the system. Might be completely unworkable to try to avoid that. Just makes me glad I'm not involved in it!

07-21-2007, 01:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by frosty If Bill is not an instigator or promotor of any specific NSW-based bid, then he really only has one hat on for this process, and that's the ACF hat as Deputy President. Unfortunately, Bill Gletsos does have an interest in the Parramatta bid. Let me quote from the publically posted Parramatta bid. "Tournament committee Shane Burgess, Tarun Pant and Bill Gletsos." Hence, the COI is factual. Then you have the question of whether people with an ACF hat, who also wear a state hat ... Might be completely unworkable to try to avoid that. Exactly right. Unworkable. The ACF it is must be abandonned. If Australian chess is to avoid the risk of extinction, anew peak body must TAKE the power. Last edited by Iconoclast : 07-21-2007 at 01:34 PM

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