The Growth of OzChess - Page 3 - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 12-23-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Calendar....I just started using it for
VIC Lightning
CV AGM
and CSS

I notice even the Carrier Pigeon has recently turned his nose up at the offerings on the other site.

Okay, the calendar will stay put then. I have emailed Liquid Web and they will be in touch about boosting the site's speed. Will update with their response when I receive it.

Best Regards,

AO

**Ninja** · 12-24-2008, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by MOZ

cc is Not faster for me....and while Ninja is an impeccable observer his architecture (or ISP) may be the reason for the speed diff.
Walk slowly on this one.
regards
MOZ*

Hi Moz,
What browser are you using ?
I notice that if I use Firefox or Chrome instead of IE the site speeds up dramatically. It is still slower than cc from where I am but you are right that it may be mainly a ISP issue. What is interesting is the "roundabout" way it gets to the site in the USA.
Optus should be quicker than Bigpond/Telstra as Optus normally take a more direct route (ie their cable heads East out of Sydney) however I believe BP/T still use a cable that leaves Perth and then goes via Japan to get to USA. Where the Optus one seems to be slowing down is the large number of relatively slow backbone connections it is using once it gets to the states.

Looking at the trace route info CC on the other hand have the advantage of hanging directly off the Optus backbone.

**MOZ** · 12-24-2008, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Ninja

Hi Moz,
What browser are you using ?
I notice that if I use Firefox or Chrome instead of IE the site speeds up dramatically. It is still slower than cc from where I am but you are right that it may be mainly a ISP issue. What is interesting is the "roundabout" way it gets to the site in the USA.

hi Ninja
I use Firefox for both sites. I had tried Chrome and IE and did not notice much difference. (I gave them away for other aspects).
Mys current ISP is Eftel.

Optus should be quicker than Bigpond/Telstra as Optus normally take a more direct route (ie their cable heads East out of Sydney) however I believe BP/T still use a cable that leaves Perth and then goes via Japan to get to USA. Where the Optus one seems to be slowing down is the large number of relatively slow backbone connections it is using once it gets to the states.

Looking at the trace route info CC on the other hand have the advantage of hanging directly off the Optus backbone.

Let us try the Club trace next time you are there.

regards

**Just2Good** · 12-08-2009, 01:40 AM

I just did a snapshot comparison of OzChess and Chess Chat. OzChess currently has 18 members logged in right now, and Chess Chat has 26.

I am thinking that this may well be a better measure of which forum is most popular with Australian chess players. The post per day statistics, which has seen OzChess soar in recent months, really doesn't provide a very good indication of anything.

For instance, if there are two posters having a lively debate about whether God exists or not, and they keep conversing with one another, it could easily add 20 posts to a forum's daily post count - and yet none of those posts would have had anything to do with chess.

Likewise, measuring the number of guests is also inaccurate as a measure for forum popularity because many guests are robots such as Googlebots (and the vBulletin software doesn't make it easy to distinguish these from real people).

As such, members logged in becomes one of the more tangible and truer measures of a forum's popularity.

Poster base (the number of posters who made at least one post in the past month) is also a good measure.

In fact, in this respect, just days ago I announced OzChess' poster base to be about 62. Bill and/or Kevin stated that Chess Chat's was nearly twice this size yet they presented no evidence of either how they calculated this (they don't have Cyb Advanced Statistics installed on their forum like we do), nor did they state what their exact number was. This ducking of the issue makes their claim seem a little far fetched and quite unbelievable. Perhaps we can chalk it up to mere desperation as they realize Chess Chat's supremacy as Australia's most popular chess forum is slipping away (and them being helpless to stop the slide).

Lastly, Google ranking would seem to be the last accurate measure of a forums popularity, and in this respect OzChess slightly outperforms Chess Chat for most chess search terms.

**Iconoclast** · 12-08-2009, 05:39 PM

What about total post views in a time period? Is that a stat that is readily obtained.

**Just2Good** · 12-08-2009, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

What about total post views in a time period? Is that a stat that is readily obtained.

Unfortunately not. The best that we can do is see which members have viewed a thread, and presumably the posts in the thread. This ability is not one they have on CC because it required a special mod to be installed to achieve this.

**Bill Gletsos** · 12-20-2009, 01:08 AM

Just2Good I see that although you have stopped using the the Fake User modification to boost your currently online member count you are still using it to boost your guest user count by 50 fake guest users.

**Just2Good** · 12-20-2009, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Just2Good I see that although you have stopped using the the Fake User modification to boost your currently online member count you are still using it to boost your guest user count by 50 fake guest users.

Perhaps its just a bug or gremlin in the system Bill. In any event what do you think about our nifty new detach shoutbox - 500 shout display feature (aka - the real reason for your post today.)

**Bill Gletsos** · 12-20-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Perhaps its just a bug or gremlin in the system Bill.

It isnt a bug.
It is a feature of the Fake User modification you are running to misrepresent your online numbers on your forums front page.

To get rid of it you could just disable the Fake User modification.

**antichrist** · 12-20-2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

It isnt a bug.
It is a feature of the Fake User modification you are running to misrepresent your online numbers on your forums front page.

To get rid of it you could just disable the Fake User modification.

It sounds a bit like a dildo?

**Iconoclast** · 12-21-2009, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

It sounds a bit like a dildo?

You mean "billdo."

**Just2Good** · 12-21-2009, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

It isnt a bug.
It is a feature of the Fake User modification you are running to misrepresent your online numbers on your forums front page.

To get rid of it you could just disable the Fake User modification.

Stop your bellyaching unless you really want to see me use the modification.

**Bill Gletsos** · 12-21-2009, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Stop your bellyaching unless you really want to see me use the modification.

Well naturally you do not want it pointed out you are fudging your numbers.

You were previously using it to boost your member numbers as well as your guest numbers.

Now you just use it to add 50 fake guest accounts.

**antichrist** · 12-21-2009, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Well naturally you do not want it pointed out you are fudging your numbers.

You were previously using it to boost your member numbers as well as your guest numbers.

Now you just use it to add 50 fake guest accounts.

Bill that is nothing. In a southern Philipine province election a popular guy did not get one vote. The sitting member got absolutely 100% and that was on the orders of the president. [J2G] is a rank amateur in comparison.

Your accusation above could not be seen as defamatory could it?

**Iconoclast** · 12-21-2009, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Well naturally you do not want it pointed out you are fudging your numbers.

You were previously using it to boost your member numbers as well as your guest numbers.

Now you just use it to add 50 fake guest accounts.

Well naturally you do want it pointed out someone may be fudging the numbers.

You were previously uninterested in our member numbers as well as our guest numbers.

Now you just use it to add a smoke screen to the slow death of Chess Chat under your captaincy.

We can only hope that you do the right thing and go down with the ship.

12-23-2008, 03:15 PM	#31 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by MOZ Calendar....I just started using it for VIC Lightning CV AGM and CSS I notice even the Carrier Pigeon has recently turned his nose up at the offerings on the other site. Okay, the calendar will stay put then. I have emailed Liquid Web and they will be in touch about boosting the site's speed. Will update with their response when I receive it. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

12-24-2008, 02:36 AM	#32 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	Originally Posted by MOZ cc is Not faster for me....and while Ninja is an impeccable observer his architecture (or ISP) may be the reason for the speed diff. Walk slowly on this one. regards MOZ* Hi Moz, What browser are you using ? I notice that if I use Firefox or Chrome instead of IE the site speeds up dramatically. It is still slower than cc from where I am but you are right that it may be mainly a ISP issue. What is interesting is the "roundabout" way it gets to the site in the USA. Optus should be quicker than Bigpond/Telstra as Optus normally take a more direct route (ie their cable heads East out of Sydney) however I believe BP/T still use a cable that leaves Perth and then goes via Japan to get to USA. Where the Optus one seems to be slowing down is the large number of relatively slow backbone connections it is using once it gets to the states. Looking at the trace route info CC on the other hand have the advantage of hanging directly off the Optus backbone.

12-24-2008, 06:26 AM	#33 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by Ninja Hi Moz, What browser are you using ? I notice that if I use Firefox or Chrome instead of IE the site speeds up dramatically. It is still slower than cc from where I am but you are right that it may be mainly a ISP issue. What is interesting is the "roundabout" way it gets to the site in the USA. hi Ninja I use Firefox for both sites. I had tried Chrome and IE and did not notice much difference. (I gave them away for other aspects). Mys current ISP is Eftel. Optus should be quicker than Bigpond/Telstra as Optus normally take a more direct route (ie their cable heads East out of Sydney) however I believe BP/T still use a cable that leaves Perth and then goes via Japan to get to USA. Where the Optus one seems to be slowing down is the large number of relatively slow backbone connections it is using once it gets to the states. Looking at the trace route info CC on the other hand have the advantage of hanging directly off the Optus backbone. Let us try the Club trace next time you are there. regards __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

12-08-2009, 01:40 AM	#34 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Better Measures of Success I just did a snapshot comparison of OzChess and Chess Chat. OzChess currently has 18 members logged in right now, and Chess Chat has 26. I am thinking that this may well be a better measure of which forum is most popular with Australian chess players. The post per day statistics, which has seen OzChess soar in recent months, really doesn't provide a very good indication of anything. For instance, if there are two posters having a lively debate about whether God exists or not, and they keep conversing with one another, it could easily add 20 posts to a forum's daily post count - and yet none of those posts would have had anything to do with chess. Likewise, measuring the number of guests is also inaccurate as a measure for forum popularity because many guests are robots such as Googlebots (and the vBulletin software doesn't make it easy to distinguish these from real people). As such, members logged in becomes one of the more tangible and truer measures of a forum's popularity. Poster base (the number of posters who made at least one post in the past month) is also a good measure. In fact, in this respect, just days ago I announced OzChess' poster base to be about 62. Bill and/or Kevin stated that Chess Chat's was nearly twice this size yet they presented no evidence of either how they calculated this (they don't have Cyb Advanced Statistics installed on their forum like we do), nor did they state what their exact number was. This ducking of the issue makes their claim seem a little far fetched and quite unbelievable. Perhaps we can chalk it up to mere desperation as they realize Chess Chat's supremacy as Australia's most popular chess forum is slipping away (and them being helpless to stop the slide). Lastly, Google ranking would seem to be the last accurate measure of a forums popularity, and in this respect OzChess slightly outperforms Chess Chat for most chess search terms. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

12-08-2009, 05:39 PM	#35 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	What about total post views in a time period? Is that a stat that is readily obtained. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-08-2009, 06:09 PM	#36 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Special Mod Originally Posted by Iconoclast What about total post views in a time period? Is that a stat that is readily obtained. Unfortunately not. The best that we can do is see which members have viewed a thread, and presumably the posts in the thread. This ability is not one they have on CC because it required a special mod to be installed to achieve this. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

12-20-2009, 01:08 AM	#37 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Just2Good I see that although you have stopped using the the Fake User modification to boost your currently online member count you are still using it to boost your guest user count by 50 fake guest users.

12-20-2009, 07:50 AM	#38 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	New Shoutbox Feature! Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Just2Good I see that although you have stopped using the the Fake User modification to boost your currently online member count you are still using it to boost your guest user count by 50 fake guest users. Perhaps its just a bug or gremlin in the system Bill. In any event what do you think about our nifty new detach shoutbox - 500 shout display feature (aka - the real reason for your post today.) __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

12-20-2009, 01:13 PM	#39 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Just2Good Perhaps its just a bug or gremlin in the system Bill. It isnt a bug. It is a feature of the Fake User modification you are running to misrepresent your online numbers on your forums front page. To get rid of it you could just disable the Fake User modification.

12-20-2009, 05:50 PM	#40 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,548	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos It isnt a bug. It is a feature of the Fake User modification you are running to misrepresent your online numbers on your forums front page. To get rid of it you could just disable the Fake User modification. It sounds a bit like a dildo?

12-21-2009, 01:50 AM	#41 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by antichrist It sounds a bit like a dildo? You mean "billdo." __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-21-2009, 04:38 PM	#42 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos It isnt a bug. It is a feature of the Fake User modification you are running to misrepresent your online numbers on your forums front page. To get rid of it you could just disable the Fake User modification. Stop your bellyaching unless you really want to see me use the modification. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

12-21-2009, 07:38 PM	#43 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Just2Good Stop your bellyaching unless you really want to see me use the modification. Well naturally you do not want it pointed out you are fudging your numbers. You were previously using it to boost your member numbers as well as your guest numbers. Now you just use it to add 50 fake guest accounts.

12-21-2009, 09:14 PM	#44 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,548	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Well naturally you do not want it pointed out you are fudging your numbers. You were previously using it to boost your member numbers as well as your guest numbers. Now you just use it to add 50 fake guest accounts. Bill that is nothing. In a southern Philipine province election a popular guy did not get one vote. The sitting member got absolutely 100% and that was on the orders of the president. [J2G] is a rank amateur in comparison. Your accusation above could not be seen as defamatory could it? Last edited by antichrist : 12-22-2009 at 01:36 AM Reason: "matt" changed to [J2G] as this was an obvious mistype.

12-21-2009, 10:12 PM	#45 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Well naturally you do not want it pointed out you are fudging your numbers. You were previously using it to boost your member numbers as well as your guest numbers. Now you just use it to add 50 fake guest accounts. Well naturally you do want it pointed out someone may be fudging the numbers. You were previously uninterested in our member numbers as well as our guest numbers. Now you just use it to add a smoke screen to the slow death of Chess Chat under your captaincy. We can only hope that you do the right thing and go down with the ship. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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