Ophiuchus' Visit to OzChess & Banning - OzChess

**Iconoclast** · 07-30-2007, 08:54 PM

The ACF Vice President has been engaging in a debate with me on the TCG blog where he has been digging a hole for himself by equating minor bullying of himself at school, with a racistly motivated gang rape.

It is very much like if [Matt] had written "I don't condone rape, but I can understand that any woman who walks confidently through a busy city without wearing a burqa gets treated like meat by some guy with an overactive sex drive, while usually decent normals stand around and cheer him on."

I cannot imagine a less sensitive way win an argument than to say my own understanding of why he would have been bullied is analogous to a racist gang rape. He goes on to compound the borish line by saying,

While such bullying is obviously not generally as extreme as rape,

Not generally? OMG, what planet are you from? Not generally? I cannot even imagine a school yard bullying episode being worse than any rape whatsoever. The ACF VP has, yet again trivialized rape and dismissed the victims’ right to true compassion.

All forms of physical assualt motivated by inadequate pretexts are disgusting, …Matthew, I have no time or respect at all for either your spurious claims of [my] online bullying, or comments that effectively endorse its far more serious offline physical equivalent.

ACF VP has no idea at all about human emotions.
Non-physical bullying is worse than physical bullying. Click here for starters. http://www.uclan.ac.uk/facs/science/...es/hawker.htm.

Expect me to continue comparing you to al-Hilali if you continue to refer to [KB’s] bullying (real or imaginary) in any way whatsoever, until you get a clue about how to do so in a way that is responsible, accurate and consistent.

Nice threat. What is your next threat - to call me a paedaphile? If you think you are being clever by equating me with al-Hilali you will probably be laughing his tits off if I were to start equating you with, lets see, how about those clever-dicks connected to Dianne Brimble's death. You and they seem to have the same level of understanding of the effects of rape, as you have demonstrated on TCG at https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14539885&postID=52191324915239483 66

You want me to be more “responsible, accurate and consistent” when I refer to your bullying on Chess Chat. Well, I cannot be more:
Responsible – because the mere action of pointing a spotlight at it is the epitomy of responsible behaviour.
Accurate – I need only point to the thousand of your posts where you kick and spit at other posters and non-posters.
Consistent – Already doing it. I will consistently insist that you are not a fit and proper person to be a moderator on the defacto ACF bulletin board because you are a bully.

**Jewel** · 07-31-2007, 05:22 AM

That is completely unacceptable. The part that got to me was where he basically triviliazed rape and rape victims. Those who don't have to worry too much about being raped are usually the ones to make such comments, and that really disgusts me.

**Gendo Ikari** · 08-02-2007, 12:57 AM

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08-04-2007, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Jewel

The part that got to me was where he basically triviliazed rape and rape victims.

where did he do that?

what does all this have to do with chess anyway?

08-04-2007, 07:00 PM

and where is the site where this was posted?

**Iconoclast** · 08-15-2007, 05:13 PM

Sorry Phil, but you are letting them off too cheaply. When looking at an intelligent bully, it does not matter at all that they copped a flogging. While a school kid might not have the insight to see he is visiting his own victimhood upon others, an intelligent adult person, KNOWS right from wrong. The two of them KNOW that they are being bullies and they like doing it. They must like it, else they would have stopped years ago.

**Just2Good** · 08-15-2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Sorry Phil, but you are letting them off too cheaply. When looking at an intelligent bully, it does not matter at all that they copped a flogging. While a school kid might not have the insight to see he is visiting his own victimhood upon others, an intelligent adult person, KNOWS right from wrong. The two of them KNOW that they are being bullies and they like doing it. They must like it, else they would have stopped years ago.

You know if the CC owner ever took away their moderation badges, I think they would have serious difficulties moving on with their lives.

**phild707** · 08-15-2007, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

You know if the CC owner ever took away their moderation badges, I think they would have serious difficulties moving on with their lives.

Spot on AO.
That's just it.
They got no where else to go.

**Just2Good** · 08-15-2007, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by phild707

Spot on AO.
That's just it.
They got no where else to go.

This was taken from the shoutbox at CC at approx 10pm Brisbane time:

[15-08-2007 09:16 PM] Bill Gletsos: evening all
[15-08-2007 09:19 PM] Kevin Bonham: hi bill
[15-08-2007 09:34 PM] Bill Gletsos: Kevin i see where elsewhere philD has come out of hibernation and is now practicing psychology without a licence
[15-08-2007 09:35 PM] Bill Gletsos: or for that matter without a clue
[15-08-2007 09:41 PM] Kevin Bonham: yes i noticed that, and he is also making false statements (or interpretations) of what I have told him in personal conversations
[15-08-2007 09:43 PM] Bill Gletsos: I was never bullied at school
[15-08-2007 09:44 PM] Bill Gletsos: so so much for that theory on his part
[15-08-2007 09:44 PM] Bill Gletsos: I just dont tolerate fools
[15-08-2007 09:44 PM] Bill Gletsos: the deliberate clueless or obfuscating dribblers
[15-08-2007 09:45 PM] *Bill Gletsos waves to starter*

What confuses me is that Bill Gletsos seems to think that Phil made a remark about Bill being bullied at school. He must once again be out of his anti-hallucination medication because I haven't seen any such claim by Phil.

But I have even sweeter news that I simply must share with everyone. Basically, tonight I spoke with an acquaintance of mine who told me that he recently discovered he was banned on Chess Chat because Mr Bonham thought he was a hydra of me!!! The big smile on my face didn't come off for ages. Hopefully other legit members from Queensland have also had the same experience due to Kevin's paranoia. I just love the poetic justice!

**Just2Good** · 08-15-2007, 11:24 PM

15-08-2007 09:49 PM Kevin Bonham
phil seems to have also forgotten that i mod another forum much larger than this one where the mods are equally active participants

15-08-2007 09:50 PM Bill Gletsos and of course the house of tool administrator is claiming that no moderation is required there

15-08-2007 09:51 PM Bill Gletsos
and there have been no requests to do so

15-08-2007 09:51 PM Kevin Bonham
anyway for anyone who cared i have never told phil donnelly that i was traumatised by anything; i may however have told him that i would destroy the prime minister's leadership if the prime minister did not resign by 2006

15-08-2007 09:52 PM Bill Gletsos - why would anyone bother requesting moderation over there when it is clear the admin wont remove defamatory comments about non posters

15-08-2007 09:58 PM Gunner Duggan - More's the question, why would anyone of sound mind and reputation be party to the place at all?

15-08-2007 09:58 PM Kevin Bonham - bill - possibly for amusement at the incompetent reply?

15-08-2007 10:00 PM Bill Gletsos - true Kevin, that could be entertaining

15-08-2007 10:04 PM Bill Gletsos - well Gunner it is clear why the likes of Matt, PhilD, Belthasar would post there howver you would nned to ask that question to the likes of Brian, Watto, Frosty etc why they choose to do so

In answer to your query at the end Bill, perhaps its best answered in Shaun's blog when he accuses your site moderators of editing his posts without his permission. If this is common practise on your site, then no doubt there is disenchantment.

**Just2Good** · 08-16-2007, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Shout Box @ CC

[15-08-2007 09:43 PM] Bill Gletsos: I was never bullied at school
[15-08-2007 09:44 PM] Bill Gletsos: so so much for that theory on his part

And then ....

[15-08-2007 11:00 PM] Bill Gletsos: he (AO) claims he cannot see where Phild suggested I was bullied
[15-08-2007 11:01 PM] Bill Gletsos: he only needs to look 4 posts above his own to see it
[15-08-2007 11:02 PM] Bill Gletsos: it appears Phils language eludes his comprehension

No, it is Bill Gletsos who lacks comprehension and understanding in this instance.

Phil never stated that Bill Gletsos was bullied at school in post 6, which is 4 posts above my own. Bill Gletsos incorrectly claimed that Phil had.

**Just2Good** · 08-17-2007, 12:38 AM

Billbot just won't let this go. Please see his latest frothing at the mouth tonight:

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

[16-08-2007 10:59 PM] Bill Gletsos: Toolise you fool, you really should learn to read and at least make an attempt at comprehension. PhilD i his post said "KB had revealed to me, in a conversation some years ago, that he had been bullied at school," PhilD later in his post said "and the root of the bullying comes back to the abuse that KB experienced as a boy and, the presumably, the analagous experiences of BG since his behaviour is even more vindictive." as such I replied that for his benefit that I had never been bullied at school, therefore if you cannot see the connection between my response and PhilD's post then your really are clueless beyond measure.

Mate

Get a dictionary. You will find that the word analogous, and note that that is how it is spelt - not analagous as you spelt it - means the following:

"similar or equivalent in some respects though otherwise dissimilar"

Therefore, it does not mean 'exactly the same comparison'.

Comprende Vous?

Good!

G'Night Then

**Iconoclast** · 08-17-2007, 08:54 AM

Should we speculate as to what the analogous events in Gletsos' life might have been? I will start

Living with your mother for 58 year. :eek:

**Just2Good** · 08-17-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Should we speculate as to what the analogous events in Gletsos' life might have been? I will start

Living with your mother for 58 year. :eek:

I don't know if that's true or not mate. But in fairness to Bill (yes, I know he doesn't deserve fairness because he has never been fair to those under his control), it might be the case that one or both of his parents are very frail and he simply wants to assist them in their few remaining years.

If that is the case I am not prepared to hold that against him.

I speak, however, only for myself, and am mindful that some people may find it odd that at his age he lives with a parent.

AO

**Iconoclast** · 08-17-2007, 07:30 PM

Quite true AO. There is nothing wrong with giving one's aging parents a hand - in fact it is fully the right thing. I just wonder about a bloke who makes it to retirement age without either leaving home and/or getting married. Not that I am saying that Bill is exactly that bloke, but hey, if he were ... :eek:

07-30-2007, 08:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Ophiuchus' Visit to OzChess & Banning The ACF Vice President has been engaging in a debate with me on the TCG blog where he has been digging a hole for himself by equating minor bullying of himself at school, with a racistly motivated gang rape. It is very much like if [Matt] had written "I don't condone rape, but I can understand that any woman who walks confidently through a busy city without wearing a burqa gets treated like meat by some guy with an overactive sex drive, while usually decent normals stand around and cheer him on." I cannot imagine a less sensitive way win an argument than to say my own understanding of why he would have been bullied is analogous to a racist gang rape. He goes on to compound the borish line by saying, While such bullying is obviously not generally as extreme as rape, Not generally? OMG, what planet are you from? Not generally? I cannot even imagine a school yard bullying episode being worse than any rape whatsoever. The ACF VP has, yet again trivialized rape and dismissed the victims’ right to true compassion. All forms of physical assualt motivated by inadequate pretexts are disgusting, …Matthew, I have no time or respect at all for either your spurious claims of [my] online bullying, or comments that effectively endorse its far more serious offline physical equivalent. ACF VP has no idea at all about human emotions. Non-physical bullying is worse than physical bullying. Click here for starters. http://www.uclan.ac.uk/facs/science/...es/hawker.htm. Expect me to continue comparing you to al-Hilali if you continue to refer to [KB’s] bullying (real or imaginary) in any way whatsoever, until you get a clue about how to do so in a way that is responsible, accurate and consistent. Nice threat. What is your next threat - to call me a paedaphile? If you think you are being clever by equating me with al-Hilali you will probably be laughing his tits off if I were to start equating you with, lets see, how about those clever-dicks connected to Dianne Brimble's death. You and they seem to have the same level of understanding of the effects of rape, as you have demonstrated on TCG at https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14539885&postID=52191324915239483 66 You want me to be more “responsible, accurate and consistent” when I refer to your bullying on Chess Chat. Well, I cannot be more: Responsible – because the mere action of pointing a spotlight at it is the epitomy of responsible behaviour. Accurate – I need only point to the thousand of your posts where you kick and spit at other posters and non-posters. Consistent – Already doing it. I will consistently insist that you are not a fit and proper person to be a moderator on the defacto ACF bulletin board because you are a bully.

08-02-2007, 12:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
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08-04-2007, 04:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
lotlizard Posts: n/a	Originally Posted by Jewel The part that got to me was where he basically triviliazed rape and rape victims. where did he do that? what does all this have to do with chess anyway?

08-15-2007, 05:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Sorry Phil, but you are letting them off too cheaply. When looking at an intelligent bully, it does not matter at all that they copped a flogging. While a school kid might not have the insight to see he is visiting his own victimhood upon others, an intelligent adult person, KNOWS right from wrong. The two of them KNOW that they are being bullies and they like doing it. They must like it, else they would have stopped years ago. You know if the CC owner ever took away their moderation badges, I think they would have serious difficulties moving on with their lives. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-15-2007, 09:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
phild707 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Burnie International Airport Posts: 298	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One You know if the CC owner ever took away their moderation badges, I think they would have serious difficulties moving on with their lives. Spot on AO. That's just it. They got no where else to go. __________________ "It ain't no sin if you crack a few laws now and then, just so long as you don't break any." Mae West

07-31-2007, 05:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jewel Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3	That is completely unacceptable. The part that got to me was where he basically triviliazed rape and rape victims. Those who don't have to worry too much about being raped are usually the ones to make such comments, and that really disgusts me.

08-04-2007, 07:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
lotlizard Posts: n/a	and where is the site where this was posted?

08-15-2007, 05:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Sorry Phil, but you are letting them off too cheaply. When looking at an intelligent bully, it does not matter at all that they copped a flogging. While a school kid might not have the insight to see he is visiting his own victimhood upon others, an intelligent adult person, KNOWS right from wrong. The two of them KNOW that they are being bullies and they like doing it. They must like it, else they would have stopped years ago.

08-15-2007, 10:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by phild707 Spot on AO. That's just it. They got no where else to go. This was taken from the shoutbox at CC at approx 10pm Brisbane time: [15-08-2007 09:16 PM] Bill Gletsos: evening all [15-08-2007 09:19 PM] Kevin Bonham: hi bill [15-08-2007 09:34 PM] Bill Gletsos: Kevin i see where elsewhere philD has come out of hibernation and is now practicing psychology without a licence [15-08-2007 09:35 PM] Bill Gletsos: or for that matter without a clue [15-08-2007 09:41 PM] Kevin Bonham: yes i noticed that, and he is also making false statements (or interpretations) of what I have told him in personal conversations [15-08-2007 09:43 PM] Bill Gletsos: I was never bullied at school [15-08-2007 09:44 PM] Bill Gletsos: so so much for that theory on his part [15-08-2007 09:44 PM] Bill Gletsos: I just dont tolerate fools [15-08-2007 09:44 PM] Bill Gletsos: the deliberate clueless or obfuscating dribblers [15-08-2007 09:45 PM] Bill Gletsos waves to starter What confuses me is that Bill Gletsos seems to think that Phil made a remark about Bill being bullied at school. He must once again be out of his anti-hallucination medication because I haven't seen any such claim by Phil. But I have even sweeter news that I simply must share with everyone. Basically, tonight I spoke with an acquaintance of mine who told me that he recently discovered he was banned on Chess Chat because Mr Bonham thought he was a hydra of me!!! The big smile on my face didn't come off for ages. Hopefully other legit members from Queensland have also had the same experience due to Kevin's paranoia. I just love the poetic justice! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-15-2007, 11:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	And the bashing continues 15-08-2007 09:49 PM Kevin Bonham phil seems to have also forgotten that i mod another forum much larger than this one where the mods are equally active participants 15-08-2007 09:50 PM Bill Gletsos and of course the house of tool administrator is claiming that no moderation is required there 15-08-2007 09:51 PM Bill Gletsos and there have been no requests to do so 15-08-2007 09:51 PM Kevin Bonham anyway for anyone who cared i have never told phil donnelly that i was traumatised by anything; i may however have told him that i would destroy the prime minister's leadership if the prime minister did not resign by 2006 15-08-2007 09:52 PM Bill Gletsos - why would anyone bother requesting moderation over there when it is clear the admin wont remove defamatory comments about non posters 15-08-2007 09:58 PM Gunner Duggan - More's the question, why would anyone of sound mind and reputation be party to the place at all? 15-08-2007 09:58 PM Kevin Bonham - bill - possibly for amusement at the incompetent reply? 15-08-2007 10:00 PM Bill Gletsos - true Kevin, that could be entertaining 15-08-2007 10:04 PM Bill Gletsos - well Gunner it is clear why the likes of Matt, PhilD, Belthasar would post there howver you would nned to ask that question to the likes of Brian, Watto, Frosty etc why they choose to do so In answer to your query at the end Bill, perhaps its best answered in Shaun's blog when he accuses your site moderators of editing his posts without his permission. If this is common practise on your site, then no doubt there is disenchantment. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-16-2007, 12:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Bill gets caught out! Originally Posted by Shout Box @ CC [15-08-2007 09:43 PM] Bill Gletsos: I was never bullied at school [15-08-2007 09:44 PM] Bill Gletsos: so so much for that theory on his part And then .... [15-08-2007 11:00 PM] Bill Gletsos: he (AO) claims he cannot see where Phild suggested I was bullied [15-08-2007 11:01 PM] Bill Gletsos: he only needs to look 4 posts above his own to see it [15-08-2007 11:02 PM] Bill Gletsos: it appears Phils language eludes his comprehension No, it is Bill Gletsos who lacks comprehension and understanding in this instance. Phil never stated that Bill Gletsos was bullied at school in post 6, which is 4 posts above my own. Bill Gletsos incorrectly claimed that Phil had. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-17-2007, 12:38 AM	#12 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Time to buy a dictionary Bill! Billbot just won't let this go. Please see his latest frothing at the mouth tonight: Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos [16-08-2007 10:59 PM] Bill Gletsos: Toolise you fool, you really should learn to read and at least make an attempt at comprehension. PhilD i his post said "KB had revealed to me, in a conversation some years ago, that he had been bullied at school," PhilD later in his post said "and the root of the bullying comes back to the abuse that KB experienced as a boy and, the presumably, the analagous experiences of BG since his behaviour is even more vindictive." as such I replied that for his benefit that I had never been bullied at school, therefore if you cannot see the connection between my response and PhilD's post then your really are clueless beyond measure. Mate Get a dictionary. You will find that the word analogous, and note that that is how it is spelt - not analagous as you spelt it - means the following: "similar or equivalent in some respects though otherwise dissimilar" Therefore, it does not mean 'exactly the same comparison'. Comprende Vous? Good! G'Night Then __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-17-2007, 08:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Should we speculate as to what the analogous events in Gletsos' life might have been? I will start Living with your mother for 58 year. :eek:

08-17-2007, 04:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Speculation sometimes isn't helpful Originally Posted by Iconoclast Should we speculate as to what the analogous events in Gletsos' life might have been? I will start Living with your mother for 58 year. :eek: I don't know if that's true or not mate. But in fairness to Bill (yes, I know he doesn't deserve fairness because he has never been fair to those under his control), it might be the case that one or both of his parents are very frail and he simply wants to assist them in their few remaining years. If that is the case I am not prepared to hold that against him. I speak, however, only for myself, and am mindful that some people may find it odd that at his age he lives with a parent. AO __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-17-2007, 07:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Quite true AO. There is nothing wrong with giving one's aging parents a hand - in fact it is fully the right thing. I just wonder about a bloke who makes it to retirement age without either leaving home and/or getting married. Not that I am saying that Bill is exactly that bloke, but hey, if he were ... :eek:

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