Ophiuchus' Visit to OzChess & Banning - Page 18 - OzChess

**Iconoclast** · 06-19-2011, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop

So, what are the Hobart clubs membership numbers these days, or has the club simply accepted fate and closed its doors for good?

Were rabbits not welcomed?

**Black Onyx** · 06-19-2011, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Were rabbits not welcomed?

**Firegoat7** · 09-29-2011, 02:16 PM

Interesting to re-read this thread.

We have the good guys

Just2Good
Iconoclast
Phild
Moz

and Jaydon

shouldering the burden of responsibility

We have the bad guys

Bill Gletsos
KID

laying down moral laws in the wrong context

we have the good hydras

Blank Frank
UKi
Thomas Bishop etc

then we have the nut case

Ophiuchus=Kevin Bonham

his hydra

lotlizard- a classic performance in 3rd party misinformation

a probable hydra in

Saragossa who at 212 pipes in with some classic manipulation

Then an assortment of characters like

Michael Baron
AC
Axiom
Cephus etc

I must admit 111 is some of my best work and 171 pretty much sums up everything.

Please take some time to consider the hydra attacks in this thread

Kevin Bonham and Just2Good have a field day.
If anybody thinks that the moderators are in control of everything, then take some time to view all the accounts in historical context.

It would be worthwhile exercise to identify every real account and every hydra in this thread. I think I could get it right at about 90%. Same problems since 2007!!

**MOZ** · 09-29-2011, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Interesting to re-read this thread.

..

Please take some time to consider the hydra attacks in this thread

Kevin Bonham and Just2Good have a field day.
If anybody thinks that the moderators are in control of everything, then take some time to view all the accounts in historical context.

It would be worthwhile exercise to identify every real account and every hydra in this thread. I think I could get it right at about 90%. Same problems since 2007!!

Ok fg7, I have taken the time to read all this.
Not a pretty sight I agree.

A long ago I came to a different conclusion about the source of this misbehaviour.
I think that most posters are unskilled to handle a Sophist Troll, and as a result we get to see never-ending bickering.

The long-recommended internet solution is disengagement; which is often expressed Do Not Feed The troll.
Clearly, few in this thread managed to achieve disengagement.

However, there is no evidence, on my reading of this thread, that the existence of hydras is a core issue at all. The long-term bickering has persisted even when hydras have been outed one way or another.

To summarise

the misbehaviour in unacceptable to the growth of the forum
most posters need to learn how to handle a troll, or disengage
to focus on controlling hydras is to miss the core cause of the misbehaviour and will ensure that a solution lies ever in the far future.

**Iconoclast** · 09-29-2011, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

the misbehaviour in unacceptable to the growth of the forum

most posters need to learn how to handle a troll, or disengage

to focus on controlling hydras is to miss the core cause of the misbehaviour and will ensure that a solution lies ever in the far future.

WOW! Succinct.

This provides a side step to the hydra debate. How about an Alcoholics Anonymous style help buddy system. When you see a fellow poster drinking the troll's Cool Aide, just post:

"DONT FEED THE TROLL"

This could work well in the shout box.

**The Seeing** · 09-29-2011, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

WOW! Succinct.

This provides a side step to the hydra debate. How about an Alcoholics Anonamous style help buddy system. When you see a fellow poster drinking the troll's Cool Aide, just post:

"DONT FEED THE TROLL"

This could work well in the shout box.

Yes , and also how about a "See Something Say Something " type campaign .
Where if members spot a new user-name lurking around in the online members section , they could immediately contact admin and make a report . Admin then can use that information to investigate further , checking IPs and other such things ( some of which remain classified ) .
We could even have a "hotline" thread where members can quickly report any suspicious activity .

" BE AWARE NOT ALARMED "

**Jaydon** · 09-29-2011, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by The Seeing

Yes , and also how about a "See Something Say Something " type campaign .
Where if members spot a new user-name lurking around in the online members section , they could immediately contact admin and make a report . Admin then can use that information to investigate further , checking IPs and other such things ( some of which remain classified ) .
We could even have a "hotline" thread where members can quickly report any suspicious activity .

" BE AWARE NOT ALARMED "

The first thing I thought of was that national security hotline ad, sorry.

**antichrist** · 09-30-2011, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by The Seeing

Yes , and also how about a "See Something Say Something " type campaign .
Where if members spot a new user-name lurking around in the online members section , they could immediately contact admin and make a report . Admin then can use that information to investigate further , checking IPs and other such things ( some of which remain classified ) .
We could even have a "hotline" thread where members can quickly report any suspicious activity .

" BE AWARE NOT ALARMED "

first check them out that they are not control freaks after IP addresses. then they must have a sense of humour and the ridiculous or dont let them in the place

06-19-2011, 05:36 PM	#256 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop So, what are the Hobart clubs membership numbers these days, or has the club simply accepted fate and closed its doors for good? Were rabbits not welcomed? __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

06-19-2011, 06:45 PM	#257 (permalink)
Black Onyx Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 75	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Were rabbits not welcomed? __________________ The Black Onyx - The Grief Stone † " Thou board is thy canvas , thou shalt not want " Black Onyx

09-29-2011, 02:16 PM	#258 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Upon reflection this thread says it all Interesting to re-read this thread. We have the good guys Just2Good Iconoclast Phild Moz and Jaydon shouldering the burden of responsibility We have the bad guys Bill Gletsos KID laying down moral laws in the wrong context we have the good hydras Blank Frank UKi Thomas Bishop etc then we have the nut case Ophiuchus=Kevin Bonham his hydra lotlizard- a classic performance in 3rd party misinformation a probable hydra in Saragossa who at 212 pipes in with some classic manipulation Then an assortment of characters like Michael Baron AC Axiom Cephus etc I must admit 111 is some of my best work and 171 pretty much sums up everything. Please take some time to consider the hydra attacks in this thread Kevin Bonham and Just2Good have a field day. If anybody thinks that the moderators are in control of everything, then take some time to view all the accounts in historical context. It would be worthwhile exercise to identify every real account and every hydra in this thread. I think I could get it right at about 90%. Same problems since 2007!! __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

09-29-2011, 03:56 PM	#259 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Interesting to re-read this thread. .. Please take some time to consider the hydra attacks in this thread Kevin Bonham and Just2Good have a field day. If anybody thinks that the moderators are in control of everything, then take some time to view all the accounts in historical context. It would be worthwhile exercise to identify every real account and every hydra in this thread. I think I could get it right at about 90%. Same problems since 2007!! Ok fg7, I have taken the time to read all this. Not a pretty sight I agree. A long ago I came to a different conclusion about the source of this misbehaviour. I think that most posters are unskilled to handle a Sophist Troll, and as a result we get to see never-ending bickering. The long-recommended internet solution is disengagement; which is often expressed Do Not Feed The troll. Clearly, few in this thread managed to achieve disengagement. However, there is no evidence, on my reading of this thread, that the existence of hydras is a core issue at all. The long-term bickering has persisted even when hydras have been outed one way or another. To summarise the misbehaviour in unacceptable to the growth of the forum most posters need to learn how to handle a troll, or disengage to focus on controlling hydras is to miss the core cause of the misbehaviour and will ensure that a solution lies ever in the far future. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

09-29-2011, 08:20 PM	#260 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by MOZ the misbehaviour in unacceptable to the growth of the forum most posters need to learn how to handle a troll, or disengage to focus on controlling hydras is to miss the core cause of the misbehaviour and will ensure that a solution lies ever in the far future. WOW! Succinct. This provides a side step to the hydra debate. How about an Alcoholics Anonymous style help buddy system. When you see a fellow poster drinking the troll's Cool Aide, just post: "DONT FEED THE TROLL" This could work well in the shout box. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-29-2011, 08:53 PM	#261 (permalink)
The Seeing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 263	See Something Say Something Originally Posted by Iconoclast WOW! Succinct. This provides a side step to the hydra debate. How about an Alcoholics Anonamous style help buddy system. When you see a fellow poster drinking the troll's Cool Aide, just post: "DONT FEED THE TROLL" This could work well in the shout box. Yes , and also how about a "See Something Say Something " type campaign . Where if members spot a new user-name lurking around in the online members section , they could immediately contact admin and make a report . Admin then can use that information to investigate further , checking IPs and other such things ( some of which remain classified ) . We could even have a "hotline" thread where members can quickly report any suspicious activity . " BE AWARE NOT ALARMED "

09-29-2011, 09:12 PM	#262 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by The Seeing Yes , and also how about a "See Something Say Something " type campaign . Where if members spot a new user-name lurking around in the online members section , they could immediately contact admin and make a report . Admin then can use that information to investigate further , checking IPs and other such things ( some of which remain classified ) . We could even have a "hotline" thread where members can quickly report any suspicious activity . " BE AWARE NOT ALARMED " The first thing I thought of was that national security hotline ad, sorry.

09-30-2011, 01:41 AM	#263 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by The Seeing Yes , and also how about a "See Something Say Something " type campaign . Where if members spot a new user-name lurking around in the online members section , they could immediately contact admin and make a report . Admin then can use that information to investigate further , checking IPs and other such things ( some of which remain classified ) . We could even have a "hotline" thread where members can quickly report any suspicious activity . " BE AWARE NOT ALARMED " first check them out that they are not control freaks after IP addresses. then they must have a sense of humour and the ridiculous or dont let them in the place

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