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**heavyknight** · 10-18-2007, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Personally I am most bitterly disappointed with HKbot. We haven't talked for over 6 months now, but thats another story. I know he is a popular guy and everyone loves him, but my personal relationship with him is probably beyond repair.

cheers Fg7

Well
(a) I am not exactly blissful in regards to my personal relationship with fgbot.
(b) We haven't talked for over 6 months because (apart from one recent case) I have harldy visited the MCC. That's only due to my heavy work and other responsibilities schedule.
(c) In one of our last face to face conversations and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong, we had both agreed that whatever happens in the park stays in the park. ie whatever is said on Chesschat will not affect the personal relationship. (*)
(d) Regardless of what fg thinks or says, there were great moments between us since 2003 that I returned to the MCC (and to chess for that matter). And finally
(e) nothing in this world is beyond repair.
Cheers and good luck!
(*) And yes there are other things involved that actually stuffed up this relationship which are not (or only merely) connected with the chesschat open or not so open dealings.
PS Greetings to all, I was hoping that my first post here would have a more cheerful theme. There is time though!

**MOZ** · 10-18-2007, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Hi Moz,

From my perspective every post at Chesschat is now British Bulldogs.

hi fg7

I observe what you say is true.
And you are to be commended for attempting to improve the largest chat-board for Australian chess.
But, I scored it 0-1 because you had an excellent clear question and you allowed the squad to divert the shouting to a personal issue with you.

That is, often I have to run the whole length of the field against a rabid hostile pack of attack dogs. Thats what posting is like for me on Chesschat. So...even if I do raise legitimate questions, they are immediately ridiculed or moved from their original posting position. The movement of my posts occurs on a regular basis and I wish more people could understand how much this distorts what I say or represents.

Dogbot removed several posts in that thread, all designed to prevent his boy Denis the Menace from answering some reasonable questions. They were also removed to prevent people seeing the ugly side of Denis the Menace.
Have you read his latest opinion of you in the Coffee Lounge, Trevor? Its not flattering stuff. Its quite malicious and I doubt he would repeat such claims in an open forum.

Its quite a pack developing there. Dogbot, Bonbot, Muppetbot, Menacebot and Bobobot. Some say Eclecticbot should be included amongst the rank, but I disagree, although I can understand how somebody at Box Hill might find his posts acidic. Personally I am most bitterly disappointed with HKbot. We haven't talked for over 6 months now, but thats another story. I know he is a popular guy and everyone loves him, but my personal relationship with him is probably beyond repair.

cheers Fg7

My access to the coffee lounge is removed as a consequence of this ruling.

The poster you refer to is not the only one to take advantage of the removal of my capability to reply. It seems that 'fairness' is a non-core value in parts of the Capital.

MOZ

**MOZ** · 10-18-2007, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by heavyknight

Well
(a) I am not exactly blissful in regards to my personal relationship with fgbot.
(b) We haven't talked for over 6 months because (apart from one recent case) I have harldy visited the MCC. That's only due to my heavy work and other responsibilities schedule.
(c) In one of our last face to face conversations and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong, we had both agreed that whatever happens in the park stays in the park. ie whatever is said on Chesschat will not affect the personal relationship. (*)
(d) Regardless of what fg thinks or says, there were great moments between us since 2003 that I returned to the MCC (and to chess for that matter). And finally
(e) nothing in this world is beyond repair.
Cheers and good luck!
(*) And yes there are other things involved that actually stuffed up this relationship which are not (or only merely) connected with the chesschat open or not so open dealings.
PS Greetings to all, I was hoping that my first post here would have a more cheerful theme. There is time though!

Welcome to you my jovial friend.
I look forward to your posts here because you have a wonderful eye for the bright side of chess events.

regards
MOZ

**Just2Good** · 10-18-2007, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by heavyknight

PS Greetings to all, I was hoping that my first post here would have a more cheerful theme. There is time though!

Heavy Knight,

You post was thoughtful, well considered, from the heart, and concilitory. I cannot imagine a better way to start posting here at OzChess.

AO

**MOZ** · 10-20-2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Hi Moz,

From my perspective every post at Chesschat is now British Bulldogs. That is, often I have to run the whole length of the field against a rabid hostile pack of attack dogs. Thats what posting is like for me on Chesschat. So...even if I do raise legitimate questions, they are immediately ridiculed or moved from their original posting position. The movement of my posts occurs on a regular basis and I wish more people could understand how much this distorts what I say or represents.

Dogbot removed several posts in that thread, all designed to prevent his boy Denis the Menace from answering some reasonable questions. They were also removed to prevent people seeing the ugly side of Denis the Menace. Have you read his latest opinion of you in the Coffee Lounge, Trevor? Its not flattering stuff.

hi FG7
I have now had an opportunity to read what was buried in the Coffee Lounge at chesschat.org

Thanks for your kind words of support.
All other posters on that topic in the Coffee Lounge were silent when one of my posts was elected 'post of the year' on chesschat; I often wondered why there was little recognition from the experienced posters. And then the competition was quickly curtailed forever in the following year.

Its quite malicious and I doubt he would repeat such claims in an open forum.

It is noted that the jeer squad prefer to use the SHOUTBOX and the COFFEE LOUNGE for their observations on this issue.

Its quite a pack developing there. Dogbot, Bonbot, Muppetbot, Menacebot and Bobobot. Some say Eclecticbot should be included amongst the rank, but I disagree, although I can understand how somebody at Box Hill might find his posts acidic. Personally I am most bitterly disappointed with HKbot. We haven't talked for over 6 months now, but thats another story. I know he is a popular guy and everyone loves him, but my personal relationship with him is probably beyond repair.

cheers Fg7

Incidentally, I wonder why Denis did not notice who signed off on the CV bid for the 2008 Championships. Such disparaging remarks targeted at an ACF Life member, a former ACF President, and a CV Life member.

Fancy Denis calling the signatory's bid pathetic.
Whatever was Denis thinking?

As I understand it, the signatory visited Canberra and contacted Denis for the express purpose of discussing a possible bid before any pen had been put to paper. I believe Denis refused to meet with the potential bidder. The bidder then drove back to Melbourne and constructed the bid as he best thought possible.

And yes, I did agree to be Treasurer for the bid even though I am not on the CV Executive, nor on the bidders Unity ticket.

regards
MOZ

**Just2Good** · 10-20-2007, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

I have now had an opportunity to read what was buried in the Coffee Lounge at chesschat.org

Moz, its unfair of you to talk about that here without sharing. I would love to know what was said, and have no issues whatsoever with cross forum threads/posts being re-produced here.

Originally Posted by MOZ

All other posters on that topic in the Coffee Lounge were silent when one of my posts was elected 'post of the year' on chesschat; I often wondered why there was little recognition from the experienced posters. And then the competition was quickly curtailed forever in the following year.

You had a post there that was elected post of the year? I actually tried starting a post of the month competition here but it didn't really take off. I am glad we have a CC post of the year winner here at OzChess, just goes to show the loss of talent that CC scares away. Perhaps the reason they are targetting you now is because they know you are a threat.

Originally Posted by MOZ

It is noted that the jeer squad prefer to use the SHOUTBOX and the COFFEE LOUNGE for their observations on this issue.

I didn't want to believe this was true, but I have discovered that certain individuals over in the other place use the shoutbox to 'hide their trail' so often, that it is now dubbed the Cowards Box.

Originally Posted by MOZ

Such disparaging remarks targeted at an ACF Life member, a former ACF President, and a CV Life member.
Fancy Denis calling the signatory's bid pathetic. Whatever was Denis thinking?

Are you the ACF Life member Moz, and what are the disparaging remarks? No one except you and FG7 have a context for what is being discussed. Thats why we need to see what transpired in the Coffee Lounge. Moz, you know that I am a big believer in transparency. Please re-produce the post in question, please ......

**Iconoclast** · 10-20-2007, 07:48 PM

Ah yes, the Coffee Lounge. I well recall how it was meant to be a place for regular posters to let their hair down. I recall how it was supposed to be un moderated. I recall how it was fairly dead most of the time. I recall how when a few of us started posting blue passages in good humour, whole trheads were deleated. I recall bannings stemming partly from it.

Now it is used by ACF cowards who keep their little bitching sessions on a secret board away from the scrutiny of ordinary chess punters. The ACF cannot improve until wretched cowardly backstabbers in the bowels of Chess Chat are gone. They are too secretive, too out of touch, and too full of their own importance to ever contribute to anything of note.

**MOZ** · 10-20-2007, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Moz, its unfair of you to talk about that here without sharing. I would love to know what was said, and have no issues whatsoever with cross forum threads/posts being re-produced here.

Well AO, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the moment I reproduce a word of the Coffee LOUNGE here they will high-jump me for another 3 weeks or so. So, you and I must be patient and wait until one of their moderators gathers the courage to move their thread to open forum. They have my permission.

You had a post there that was elected post of the year?

Yes. From memory the only one ever awarded. The idea got banned the next year.

I actually tried starting a post of the month competition here but it didn't really take off. I am glad we have a CC post of the year winner here at OzChess, just goes to show the loss of talent that the bots and Dennis the Menace scare away. Perhaps the reason they are targetting you now is because they know you are a threat.

Rolleyes.

I didn't want to believe this was true, but I have discovered that certain individuals over in the other place use the shoutbox to 'hide their trail' so often, that it is now dubbed the Cowards Box. Billbot, we are looking in your direction.

Thinking:

Are you the ACF Life member Moz,

No, but the President of Chess Victoria is.

and what are the disparaging remarks. No one except you and FG7 have a context for what is being discussed.

My lips are sealed AO. The

would be lowered.

Thats why we need to see what transpired in the Coffee Lounge.

Agreed, but no can do.

Moz, you know that I am a big believer in transparency. Please re-produce the post in question, please ......

--------------
Incidentally, DJ has responded to claim that I wrote the cv_bid1. Not so. It was signed-off by the President of Chess Victoria and was essentially his design. DJ confirms he has told the President that that the bid was pathetic in his view. I trust now he will stop beating me with this particular stick. The role of financial officer for a tournament is not the same as tournament organiser nor tournament promoter.

Finally, DJ goes all huff and puff about this sentence of mine
"As I understand it, the signatory visited Canberra and contacted Denis for the express purpose of discussing a possible bid before any pen had been put to paper."
It looked pretty clear to me that it read...
> the signatory was visiting Canberra,
>> and, decided to look DJ up.
But DJ has chosen to read that I was implying the signatory had driven to Canberra (from Melbourne) just to see DJ.

Take away the incorrect implication that DJ has drawn, and the huff and puff evaporate.

DJ gets further red in the face about the attempted lobbying by the President of Chess Victoria. Frosty says we should lobby and communicate more. We keep losing these bids to last minute offers. We have resolved to do more than just push bids through a pigeon-hole, in an attempt to win one.,

Sorry, AO, you can't read the other side of this 'conversation' unless their thread is moved to open forum. Perhaps this lack of transparency is what chesschat MODS and the ACF want. After all, their thread is titled "Toolbox Watch"? (Hope this quote does not get me into the high jump), and ....

In summary, DJ should be taking up 'pathetic bid' with the signatory, who incidentally can read open forums at chesschat, but not the closed shop coffee house. Give him a chance to defend his tournament design instead of carping about it behind 'closed doors'. Or move on, as I suggested on ACCF quite some time back.

MOZ

**MOZ** · 10-20-2007, 10:10 PM

hi AO...
Now clear from Saturday evening postings @ chesschat that there is little likelihood that the general population will get to see the Coffeee Lounge smears.
There has been no attempt to engage on the issues of
> open forum discussion to give the author of the CV-bid a chance to refute the allegations in the CL
>> why re-open the issue when the rest of us had moved on

**MOZ** · 10-20-2007, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Ah yes, the Coffee Lounge. I well recall how it was meant to be a place for regular posters to let their hair down. I recall how it was supposed to be un moderated. I recall how it was fairly dead most of the time. I recall how when a few of us started posting blue passages in good humour, whole trheads were deleated. I recall bannings stemming partly from it.

Now it is used by ACF cowards who keep their little bitching sessions on a secret board away from the scrutiny of ordinary chess punters. The ACF cannot improve until wretched cowardly backstabbers in the bowels of Chess Chat are gone. They are too secretive, too out of touch, and too full of their own importance to ever contribute to anything of note.

I have to agree that accountability has gone out the window when volunteer office holders of Chess Victoria can be criticised by a senior ACF in a place that cannot be quoted here, and which cannot even be seen by the chesschat poster who is smeared.

MOZ

**Just2Good** · 10-21-2007, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

hi AO...>> why re-open the issue when the rest of us had moved on

Because its in the public's best interest. While some people may have moved on, many of us have not run out of steam and are prepared to continue fighting the good fight. Also, by revealing their own statements in a public place, a new aspect to the former ACF President may be revealed so that people can finally see everyone's true colours, and if this is all that is achieved it will have been worthwhile.

AO

**MOZ** · 10-21-2007, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Because its in the public's best interest. While some people may have moved on, many of us have not run out of steam and are prepared to continue fighting the good fight. Also, by revealing their own statements in a public place, a new aspect to the former ACF President may be revealed so that people can finally see everyone's true colours, and if this is all that is achieved it will have been worthwhile.

AO

It may have been a worthy cause to have some transparency in the restricted area of chesschat (the Coffee Lounge) that has become the dominated preserve of ACF officials. My offer was to the chesschat moderators (or ADMIN.) was to support the movement of the controversial thread to OPEN FORUM. I thought this charitable given Fg7's alert of the trolling by Denis Jessop. However, the offer has not been accepted. Rather, their action has been to remove viewing permissions for even more members of the chess community.
It will be interesting to see if KB will be able to bite his lip and continue with cabinet solidarity on this action that plays the man and not the principle of win-the-debate by discussion.

MOZ

**Iconoclast** · 10-21-2007, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

It may have been a worthy cause to have some transparency in the restricted area of chesschat (the Coffee Lounge) that has become the dominated preserve of ACF officials.

The ACF has

TOP SECRETS

**MOZ** · 10-21-2007, 11:53 PM

LOL

A poster suspended from the chesschat Coffee Lounge for 'revealing' the name of a thread.

Oh, well, I guess the mods can always meet their quota of bannings by being consistent and banning anybody who has mentioned the words 'Coffee Lounge' in open forum, or any other bb. The rationale being that the forum title 'Coffee Lounge' is equally hidden from public view.

I might invoke my search button to see who has used 'Coffee Lounge' in OPEN Forum. Would be worth posting in Forum statistics at chesschat.

MOZ

**MOZ** · 10-21-2007, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The ACF has

TOP SECRETS

I sincerely hope not.
The big boss in Chess Victoria is hoping for a positive response to a submission to hold the 2009 Aus. Junior. I think I might be collateral damage if yet another of his applications gets buried.

MOZ

10-18-2007, 03:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
heavyknight Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Personally I am most bitterly disappointed with HKbot. We haven't talked for over 6 months now, but thats another story. I know he is a popular guy and everyone loves him, but my personal relationship with him is probably beyond repair. cheers Fg7 Well (a) I am not exactly blissful in regards to my personal relationship with fgbot. (b) We haven't talked for over 6 months because (apart from one recent case) I have harldy visited the MCC. That's only due to my heavy work and other responsibilities schedule. (c) In one of our last face to face conversations and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong, we had both agreed that whatever happens in the park stays in the park. ie whatever is said on Chesschat will not affect the personal relationship. () (d) Regardless of what fg thinks or says, there were great moments between us since 2003 that I returned to the MCC (and to chess for that matter). And finally (e) nothing in this world is beyond repair. Cheers and good luck! () And yes there are other things involved that actually stuffed up this relationship which are not (or only merely) connected with the chesschat open or not so open dealings. PS Greetings to all, I was hoping that my first post here would have a more cheerful theme. There is time though!

10-18-2007, 12:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Hi Moz, From my perspective every post at Chesschat is now British Bulldogs. hi fg7 I observe what you say is true. And you are to be commended for attempting to improve the largest chat-board for Australian chess. But, I scored it 0-1 because you had an excellent clear question and you allowed the squad to divert the shouting to a personal issue with you. That is, often I have to run the whole length of the field against a rabid hostile pack of attack dogs. Thats what posting is like for me on Chesschat. So...even if I do raise legitimate questions, they are immediately ridiculed or moved from their original posting position. The movement of my posts occurs on a regular basis and I wish more people could understand how much this distorts what I say or represents. Dogbot removed several posts in that thread, all designed to prevent his boy Denis the Menace from answering some reasonable questions. They were also removed to prevent people seeing the ugly side of Denis the Menace. Have you read his latest opinion of you in the Coffee Lounge, Trevor? Its not flattering stuff. Its quite malicious and I doubt he would repeat such claims in an open forum. Its quite a pack developing there. Dogbot, Bonbot, Muppetbot, Menacebot and Bobobot. Some say Eclecticbot should be included amongst the rank, but I disagree, although I can understand how somebody at Box Hill might find his posts acidic. Personally I am most bitterly disappointed with HKbot. We haven't talked for over 6 months now, but thats another story. I know he is a popular guy and everyone loves him, but my personal relationship with him is probably beyond repair. cheers Fg7 My access to the coffee lounge is removed as a consequence of this ruling. The poster you refer to is not the only one to take advantage of the removal of my capability to reply. It seems that 'fairness' is a non-core value in parts of the Capital. MOZ Last edited by MOZ : 10-18-2007 at 12:36 PM

10-18-2007, 12:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by heavyknight Well (a) I am not exactly blissful in regards to my personal relationship with fgbot. (b) We haven't talked for over 6 months because (apart from one recent case) I have harldy visited the MCC. That's only due to my heavy work and other responsibilities schedule. (c) In one of our last face to face conversations and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong, we had both agreed that whatever happens in the park stays in the park. ie whatever is said on Chesschat will not affect the personal relationship. () (d) Regardless of what fg thinks or says, there were great moments between us since 2003 that I returned to the MCC (and to chess for that matter). And finally (e) nothing in this world is beyond repair. Cheers and good luck! () And yes there are other things involved that actually stuffed up this relationship which are not (or only merely) connected with the chesschat open or not so open dealings. PS Greetings to all, I was hoping that my first post here would have a more cheerful theme. There is time though! Welcome to you my jovial friend. I look forward to your posts here because you have a wonderful eye for the bright side of chess events. regards MOZ

10-18-2007, 06:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Welcome HK Originally Posted by heavyknight PS Greetings to all, I was hoping that my first post here would have a more cheerful theme. There is time though! Heavy Knight, You post was thoughtful, well considered, from the heart, and concilitory. I cannot imagine a better way to start posting here at OzChess. AO __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-20-2007, 04:34 PM	#20 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Hi Moz, From my perspective every post at Chesschat is now British Bulldogs. That is, often I have to run the whole length of the field against a rabid hostile pack of attack dogs. Thats what posting is like for me on Chesschat. So...even if I do raise legitimate questions, they are immediately ridiculed or moved from their original posting position. The movement of my posts occurs on a regular basis and I wish more people could understand how much this distorts what I say or represents. Dogbot removed several posts in that thread, all designed to prevent his boy Denis the Menace from answering some reasonable questions. They were also removed to prevent people seeing the ugly side of Denis the Menace. Have you read his latest opinion of you in the Coffee Lounge, Trevor? Its not flattering stuff. hi FG7 I have now had an opportunity to read what was buried in the Coffee Lounge at chesschat.org Thanks for your kind words of support. All other posters on that topic in the Coffee Lounge were silent when one of my posts was elected 'post of the year' on chesschat; I often wondered why there was little recognition from the experienced posters. And then the competition was quickly curtailed forever in the following year. Its quite malicious and I doubt he would repeat such claims in an open forum. It is noted that the jeer squad prefer to use the SHOUTBOX and the COFFEE LOUNGE for their observations on this issue. Its quite a pack developing there. Dogbot, Bonbot, Muppetbot, Menacebot and Bobobot. Some say Eclecticbot should be included amongst the rank, but I disagree, although I can understand how somebody at Box Hill might find his posts acidic. Personally I am most bitterly disappointed with HKbot. We haven't talked for over 6 months now, but thats another story. I know he is a popular guy and everyone loves him, but my personal relationship with him is probably beyond repair. cheers Fg7 Incidentally, I wonder why Denis did not notice who signed off on the CV bid for the 2008 Championships. Such disparaging remarks targeted at an ACF Life member, a former ACF President, and a CV Life member. Fancy Denis calling the signatory's bid pathetic. Whatever was Denis thinking? As I understand it, the signatory visited Canberra and contacted Denis for the express purpose of discussing a possible bid before any pen had been put to paper. I believe Denis refused to meet with the potential bidder. The bidder then drove back to Melbourne and constructed the bid as he best thought possible. And yes, I did agree to be Treasurer for the bid even though I am not on the CV Executive, nor on the bidders Unity ticket. regards MOZ Last edited by MOZ : 10-20-2007 at 05:25 PM

10-20-2007, 07:11 PM	#21 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Permission to Reproduce Post ......... Granted! Originally Posted by MOZ I have now had an opportunity to read what was buried in the Coffee Lounge at chesschat.org Moz, its unfair of you to talk about that here without sharing. I would love to know what was said, and have no issues whatsoever with cross forum threads/posts being re-produced here. Originally Posted by MOZ All other posters on that topic in the Coffee Lounge were silent when one of my posts was elected 'post of the year' on chesschat; I often wondered why there was little recognition from the experienced posters. And then the competition was quickly curtailed forever in the following year. You had a post there that was elected post of the year? I actually tried starting a post of the month competition here but it didn't really take off. I am glad we have a CC post of the year winner here at OzChess, just goes to show the loss of talent that CC scares away. Perhaps the reason they are targetting you now is because they know you are a threat. Originally Posted by MOZ It is noted that the jeer squad prefer to use the SHOUTBOX and the COFFEE LOUNGE for their observations on this issue. I didn't want to believe this was true, but I have discovered that certain individuals over in the other place use the shoutbox to 'hide their trail' so often, that it is now dubbed the Cowards Box. Originally Posted by MOZ Such disparaging remarks targeted at an ACF Life member, a former ACF President, and a CV Life member. Fancy Denis calling the signatory's bid pathetic. Whatever was Denis thinking? Are you the ACF Life member Moz, and what are the disparaging remarks? No one except you and FG7 have a context for what is being discussed. Thats why we need to see what transpired in the Coffee Lounge. Moz, you know that I am a big believer in transparency. Please re-produce the post in question, please ...... __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-20-2007, 07:48 PM	#22 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Ah yes, the Coffee Lounge. I well recall how it was meant to be a place for regular posters to let their hair down. I recall how it was supposed to be un moderated. I recall how it was fairly dead most of the time. I recall how when a few of us started posting blue passages in good humour, whole trheads were deleated. I recall bannings stemming partly from it. Now it is used by ACF cowards who keep their little bitching sessions on a secret board away from the scrutiny of ordinary chess punters. The ACF cannot improve until wretched cowardly backstabbers in the bowels of Chess Chat are gone. They are too secretive, too out of touch, and too full of their own importance to ever contribute to anything of note.

10-20-2007, 07:51 PM	#23 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Moz, its unfair of you to talk about that here without sharing. I would love to know what was said, and have no issues whatsoever with cross forum threads/posts being re-produced here. Well AO, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the moment I reproduce a word of the Coffee LOUNGE here they will high-jump me for another 3 weeks or so. So, you and I must be patient and wait until one of their moderators gathers the courage to move their thread to open forum. They have my permission. You had a post there that was elected post of the year? Yes. From memory the only one ever awarded. The idea got banned the next year. I actually tried starting a post of the month competition here but it didn't really take off. I am glad we have a CC post of the year winner here at OzChess, just goes to show the loss of talent that the bots and Dennis the Menace scare away. Perhaps the reason they are targetting you now is because they know you are a threat. Rolleyes. I didn't want to believe this was true, but I have discovered that certain individuals over in the other place use the shoutbox to 'hide their trail' so often, that it is now dubbed the Cowards Box. Billbot, we are looking in your direction. Thinking: Are you the ACF Life member Moz, No, but the President of Chess Victoria is. and what are the disparaging remarks. No one except you and FG7 have a context for what is being discussed. My lips are sealed AO. The would be lowered. Thats why we need to see what transpired in the Coffee Lounge. Agreed, but no can do. Moz, you know that I am a big believer in transparency. Please re-produce the post in question, please ...... -------------- Incidentally, DJ has responded to claim that I wrote the cv_bid1. Not so. It was signed-off by the President of Chess Victoria and was essentially his design. DJ confirms he has told the President that that the bid was pathetic in his view. I trust now he will stop beating me with this particular stick. The role of financial officer for a tournament is not the same as tournament organiser nor tournament promoter. Finally, DJ goes all huff and puff about this sentence of mine "As I understand it, the signatory visited Canberra and contacted Denis for the express purpose of discussing a possible bid before any pen had been put to paper." It looked pretty clear to me that it read... > the signatory was visiting Canberra, >> and, decided to look DJ up. But DJ has chosen to read that I was implying the signatory had driven to Canberra (from Melbourne) just to see DJ. Take away the incorrect implication that DJ has drawn, and the huff and puff evaporate. DJ gets further red in the face about the attempted lobbying by the President of Chess Victoria. Frosty says we should lobby and communicate more. We keep losing these bids to last minute offers. We have resolved to do more than just push bids through a pigeon-hole, in an attempt to win one., Sorry, AO, you can't read the other side of this 'conversation' unless their thread is moved to open forum. Perhaps this lack of transparency is what chesschat MODS and the ACF want. After all, their thread is titled "Toolbox Watch"? (Hope this quote does not get me into the high jump), and .... In summary, DJ should be taking up 'pathetic bid' with the signatory, who incidentally can read open forums at chesschat, but not the closed shop coffee house. Give him a chance to defend his tournament design instead of carping about it behind 'closed doors'. Or move on, as I suggested on ACCF quite some time back. MOZ

10-20-2007, 10:10 PM	#24 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	hi AO... Now clear from Saturday evening postings @ chesschat that there is little likelihood that the general population will get to see the Coffeee Lounge smears. There has been no attempt to engage on the issues of > open forum discussion to give the author of the CV-bid a chance to refute the allegations in the CL >> why re-open the issue when the rest of us had moved on

10-20-2007, 10:23 PM	#25 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Ah yes, the Coffee Lounge. I well recall how it was meant to be a place for regular posters to let their hair down. I recall how it was supposed to be un moderated. I recall how it was fairly dead most of the time. I recall how when a few of us started posting blue passages in good humour, whole trheads were deleated. I recall bannings stemming partly from it. Now it is used by ACF cowards who keep their little bitching sessions on a secret board away from the scrutiny of ordinary chess punters. The ACF cannot improve until wretched cowardly backstabbers in the bowels of Chess Chat are gone. They are too secretive, too out of touch, and too full of their own importance to ever contribute to anything of note. I have to agree that accountability has gone out the window when volunteer office holders of Chess Victoria can be criticised by a senior ACF in a place that cannot be quoted here, and which cannot even be seen by the chesschat poster who is smeared. MOZ

10-21-2007, 01:52 PM	#26 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Its still a worthy cause Originally Posted by MOZ hi AO...>> why re-open the issue when the rest of us had moved on Because its in the public's best interest. While some people may have moved on, many of us have not run out of steam and are prepared to continue fighting the good fight. Also, by revealing their own statements in a public place, a new aspect to the former ACF President may be revealed so that people can finally see everyone's true colours, and if this is all that is achieved it will have been worthwhile. AO __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

10-21-2007, 10:48 PM	#27 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Because its in the public's best interest. While some people may have moved on, many of us have not run out of steam and are prepared to continue fighting the good fight. Also, by revealing their own statements in a public place, a new aspect to the former ACF President may be revealed so that people can finally see everyone's true colours, and if this is all that is achieved it will have been worthwhile. AO It may have been a worthy cause to have some transparency in the restricted area of chesschat (the Coffee Lounge) that has become the dominated preserve of ACF officials. My offer was to the chesschat moderators (or ADMIN.) was to support the movement of the controversial thread to OPEN FORUM. I thought this charitable given Fg7's alert of the trolling by Denis Jessop. However, the offer has not been accepted. Rather, their action has been to remove viewing permissions for even more members of the chess community. It will be interesting to see if KB will be able to bite his lip and continue with cabinet solidarity on this action that plays the man and not the principle of win-the-debate by discussion. MOZ Last edited by MOZ : 10-21-2007 at 11:00 PM

10-21-2007, 10:57 PM	#28 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by MOZ It may have been a worthy cause to have some transparency in the restricted area of chesschat (the Coffee Lounge) that has become the dominated preserve of ACF officials. The ACF has TOP SECRETS __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

10-21-2007, 11:53 PM	#29 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Anything, to meet our quota of bannings, eh. LOL A poster suspended from the chesschat Coffee Lounge for 'revealing' the name of a thread. Oh, well, I guess the mods can always meet their quota of bannings by being consistent and banning anybody who has mentioned the words 'Coffee Lounge' in open forum, or any other bb. The rationale being that the forum title 'Coffee Lounge' is equally hidden from public view. I might invoke my search button to see who has used 'Coffee Lounge' in OPEN Forum. Would be worth posting in Forum statistics at chesschat. MOZ

10-21-2007, 11:57 PM	#30 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Iconoclast The ACF has TOP SECRETS I sincerely hope not. The big boss in Chess Victoria is hoping for a positive response to a submission to hold the 2009 Aus. Junior. I think I might be collateral damage if yet another of his applications gets buried. MOZ

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