The Consequences of Banning - OzChess

**Iconoclast** · 12-16-2009, 09:12 PM

I just saw that Kevin Bonham has been banned. Perhaps this particular banning has been well and truly talked out. However, I wish to be placed on the record as not approving of banning - even KB.

Banning takes us part way down the Chess Chat path of utter bastardry.

**Firegoat7** · 12-16-2009, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I just saw that Kevin Bonham has been banned. Perhaps this particular banning has been well and truly talked out. However, I wish to be placed on the record as not approving of banning - even KB.

Banning takes us part way down the Chess Chat path of utter bastardry.

Sorry Matt,

I have to disagree. This site will never ever be like Chesschat. I think it best that Kevin never returns to the site. We have tried to be tolerant towards the guy, but he never seems to learn that nobody wants his bullying ways on Ozchess.

Having said all that.He doesn't appear to be banned on the members list.

cheers,

**Just2Good** · 12-17-2009, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I just saw that Kevin Bonham has been banned. Perhaps this particular banning has been well and truly talked out. However, I wish to be placed on the record as not approving of banning - even KB.

Banning takes us part way down the Chess Chat path of utter bastardry.

Your information is incorrect. Kevin's account is NOT banned on OzChess, and to my knowledge his main account has never been banned more than 48 hours - the last time occurring well over a year ago.

To clarify, Kevin can post using this account whenever he wants to. In fact he uses his account to make shouts in the OzChess Shoutbox quite regularly, even though most of what he shouts is foolish.

What was banned was a hydra account of his which was abusive towards other posters - and the hydra was banned over a year ago.

Once again I re-iterate that Kevin Bonham can post using his main account whenever he wishes - but he is not allowed to use hydra accounts.

Also, I wish to mention that neither Firegoat7 nor myself ban anyone anymore except for spambots. To do so would undermine our elected moderators' authority.

Banning decisions not related to spammers rest 100% with our moderators, not OzChess' Administrators.

And if someone doesn't like the decisions made by the elected moderators, then they can vote for different moderators at the next election. Please tell me when Chess Chat ever had that option available to their members.

**Iconoclast** · 12-17-2009, 04:34 PM

Good I am glad that he has the opportunity to speak here even though I resent his very existence.

Originally Posted by Just2Good

- but he [KB] is not allowed to use hydra accounts.

Why?

**Just2Good** · 12-17-2009, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Why?

Because with his first hydra account - Lotilizard, he became personally abusive to a number of posters yourself among them. So his first hydra was put on ice.

Not having learned his lesson he then created another hydra, named Ophichius or something along those lines. Then he recruited Bill Gletsos and together he used this new hydra to again attack and defame people on OzChess.

And so again, his toy was taken away from him because he misused it. Let's call that strike two.

In any event, Kevin now shouts regularly using his namesake account, and he seems to be happy to have access to our vastly superior shoutbox.

**Firegoat7** · 12-17-2009, 09:16 PM

Unfortunately,

It is with sad regret that we must mark the passing of Kevin Bonhams account from ozchess for 24 hours. He will be much missed for his prolific posting. Details of the reasons can be found here Bullying on Chess Chat

At the moment I am laughing so hard I almost stopped breathing

cheers,

**Bill Gletsos** · 12-17-2009, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Also, I wish to mention that neither Firegoat7 nor myself ban anyone anymore except for spambots. To do so would undermine our elected moderators' authority.

This is contradicted by this.

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

It is with sad regret that we must mark the passing of Kevin Bonhams account from ozchess for 24 hours.

**antichrist** · 12-17-2009, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

This is contradicted by this.

But over there I even have a conversations with one mod or admin, RW it was, then KB comes along and deletes everything and threatens me. Also KB has let one post through, then you come along later and bar me over it.

I even had an off topic conversation with you in P Parr chess column thread the other day, we sidelined into pro and cons of NSW Champ.

KB and yourself remind me of an old neighbour I used to have years ago. He used to pull each and every weed out of his lawn, positioning himself by sitting on ground, even though he was on walking stick and could hardly move.

Me being the big mouth told him that some years down the track no one will care about the weeds and just mow over them like everyone else does. I went back about a year ago. I noticed lawn full of weeds and young people there. I told them they did not weed it like the old guy used to. That was their grandfather who passed away.

After you and KB find finally something better to do with your lives, people will innocently break off topic rules everywhere and use analogies everywhere and no one will give a shit. And you will have wasted your precious younger years just like that old guy wasted his last years.

If both of you children to love and care for you would not give a poop about all the rules you make up. Along as there is no defamo nor bad language no thing else matters.

**Bill Gletsos** · 12-18-2009, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

But over there I even have a conversations with one mod or admin, RW it was, then KB comes along and deletes everything and threatens me. Also KB has let one post through, then you come along later and bar me over it.

Irrelevant.
On Chesschat the admins/mods have never stated that they were bound by another admin/mods actions or decisions.

Here on OzChess Just2Good explicitly made a statement that was contradicted less than 18 hours later by action taken by firegoat7.

**Just2Good** · 12-18-2009, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

This is contradicted by this.

The elections haven't happened yet Bill. Wait for 1 January 2010.

**antichrist** · 12-18-2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Irrelevant.
On Chesschat the admins/mods have never stated that they were bound by another admin/mods actions or decisions.

Here on OzChess Just2Good explicitly made a statement that was contradicted less than 18 hours later by action taken by firegoat7.

Maybe you never said that you were bound by other mods actions but it is completely ludicrous(?) that posters don't know if they are Arthur or Martha, or Eve or Steve. If you can't or don't unify your actions you don't deserve to sit on the board. We all know when bringing up children or in any position of power that consistency is essential.

KB is ridiculous and is letting his own personal likes (stupid bullshit Sprouty) and dislikes completely influence his decisions instead of being impartial and fair-minded.

No one else gives a shit if I place one word wrong or go off topic for awhile, everyone does it including yourself and KB I reakon if I was to have a look. And he bars me for a week over it. What a total fool. Did he get lessons off Adolf or the Israelis?. It is called punitive punishment and is barred under international law.

But it does not matter to me much coz when I am not over there 90% of time it is so boring that I don't miss much. You could throw the soil over the coffin to finish the job off.

They may contradict themselves here but what matters, they won't go to hell over it. The bans are usually only for 24 hours - that is nothing. You guys are lucky that you are even allowed onto the site seeing you (2) are responsible for them being here. They probably only you to boost their posts and create some interest.

But their mod election is definitely a plus, no matter what you may think of the mods here. A bit of democracy never hurt anyone. And KB is showing his total arrogance and small-mindedness in criticising them in answer to my post that he has made in detox over there.
Credit where credit is due.

KB and yourself remind me of an old neighbour I used to have years ago. He used to pull each and every weed out of his lawn, positioning himself by sitting on ground, even though he was on walking stick and could hardly move.

Me being the big mouth told him that some years down the track no one will care about the weeds and just mow over them like everyone else does. I went back about a year ago. I noticed lawn full of weeds and young people there. I told them they did not weed it like the old guy used to. That was their grandfather who passed away.

After you and KB find finally something better to do with your lives, people will innocently break off topic rules everywhere and use analogies everywhere and no one will give a shit. And you will have wasted your precious younger years just like that old guy wasted his last years.
If both of you children to love and care for you would not give a poop about all the rules you make up. Along as there is no defamo nor bad language no thing else matters.

I notice that you failed to answer these points about both of your pettiness.

**antichrist** · 12-18-2009, 06:05 PM

Bill, I get barred a week for saying on detox thread that KB's opinion of this site is the same as mine of creationism. So the first part of analogy refers directly to detox thread. Admit that that is fanaticism on KB's part.

He mentions detox rubbish in SB, but that does not count as offensive coz no rule against it. But detox thread is completely unimportant and only is vindicative pettiness. Whereas creationism has been a source of serious trouble for 150 years. It has even led to Regan having manufactured 15000 more nuke warheads (Gorby's birthmark in shape of 666 so Anti-Christ - now you know where I am coming from). Iraq got bombed for supposedly such weapons. Creationism has spread in Australia by about 400% in my adulthood so if I let fly with an analogy here or there I am only doing good.

I had to go off topic here to explain my whole position - but who gives a shit - put your hand up if anyone does.

**Iconoclast** · 12-18-2009, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

I had to go off topic here to explain my whole position - but who gives a shit - put your hand up if anyone does.

Hi

I do.

**Firegoat7** · 12-18-2009, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

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But their mod election is definitely a plus, no matter what you may think of the mods here. A bit of democracy never hurt anyone. And KB is showing his total arrogance and small-mindedness in criticising them in answer to my post that he has made in detox over there.[/color]
Credit where credit is due.

Thank you AC. It appears as if you have finally gotten of the fence!

cheers,
P.S Our mate is in Norway! Last news I heard, they squatted in a police station, ripped out the generator, and donated it to an African country!

**Just2Good** · 12-19-2009, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Thank you AC. It appears as if you have finally gotten of the fence!

They don't have fences in Byron Bay - only a really, really nice beach.

12-16-2009, 09:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	The Consequences of Banning I just saw that Kevin Bonham has been banned. Perhaps this particular banning has been well and truly talked out. However, I wish to be placed on the record as not approving of banning - even KB. Banning takes us part way down the Chess Chat path of utter bastardry. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-16-2009, 10:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Iconoclast I just saw that Kevin Bonham has been banned. Perhaps this particular banning has been well and truly talked out. However, I wish to be placed on the record as not approving of banning - even KB. Banning takes us part way down the Chess Chat path of utter bastardry. Sorry Matt, I have to disagree. This site will never ever be like Chesschat. I think it best that Kevin never returns to the site. We have tried to be tolerant towards the guy, but he never seems to learn that nobody wants his bullying ways on Ozchess. Having said all that.He doesn't appear to be banned on the members list. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

12-17-2009, 03:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Kevin is NOT Banned! Originally Posted by Iconoclast I just saw that Kevin Bonham has been banned. Perhaps this particular banning has been well and truly talked out. However, I wish to be placed on the record as not approving of banning - even KB. Banning takes us part way down the Chess Chat path of utter bastardry. Your information is incorrect. Kevin's account is NOT banned on OzChess, and to my knowledge his main account has never been banned more than 48 hours - the last time occurring well over a year ago. To clarify, Kevin can post using this account whenever he wants to. In fact he uses his account to make shouts in the OzChess Shoutbox quite regularly, even though most of what he shouts is foolish. What was banned was a hydra account of his which was abusive towards other posters - and the hydra was banned over a year ago. Once again I re-iterate that Kevin Bonham can post using his main account whenever he wishes - but he is not allowed to use hydra accounts. Also, I wish to mention that neither Firegoat7 nor myself ban anyone anymore except for spambots. To do so would undermine our elected moderators' authority. Banning decisions not related to spammers rest 100% with our moderators, not OzChess' Administrators. And if someone doesn't like the decisions made by the elected moderators, then they can vote for different moderators at the next election. Please tell me when Chess Chat ever had that option available to their members. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~ Last edited by Just2Good : 12-17-2009 at 06:09 AM Reason: Added Highlighting =)

12-17-2009, 04:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Good I am glad that he has the opportunity to speak here even though I resent his very existence. Originally Posted by Just2Good - but he [KB] is not allowed to use hydra accounts. Why? __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals. Last edited by Iconoclast : 12-17-2009 at 04:35 PM Reason: spelling

12-17-2009, 05:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	This is Why! Originally Posted by Iconoclast Why? Because with his first hydra account - Lotilizard, he became personally abusive to a number of posters yourself among them. So his first hydra was put on ice. Not having learned his lesson he then created another hydra, named Ophichius or something along those lines. Then he recruited Bill Gletsos and together he used this new hydra to again attack and defame people on OzChess. And so again, his toy was taken away from him because he misused it. Let's call that strike two. In any event, Kevin now shouts regularly using his namesake account, and he seems to be happy to have access to our vastly superior shoutbox. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

12-17-2009, 09:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Unfortunately, It is with sad regret that we must mark the passing of Kevin Bonhams account from ozchess for 24 hours. He will be much missed for his prolific posting. Details of the reasons can be found here Bullying on Chess Chat At the moment I am laughing so hard I almost stopped breathing cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

12-17-2009, 10:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Just2Good Also, I wish to mention that neither Firegoat7 nor myself ban anyone anymore except for spambots. To do so would undermine our elected moderators' authority. This is contradicted by this. Originally Posted by Firegoat7 It is with sad regret that we must mark the passing of Kevin Bonhams account from ozchess for 24 hours.

12-17-2009, 11:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos This is contradicted by this. But over there I even have a conversations with one mod or admin, RW it was, then KB comes along and deletes everything and threatens me. Also KB has let one post through, then you come along later and bar me over it. I even had an off topic conversation with you in P Parr chess column thread the other day, we sidelined into pro and cons of NSW Champ. KB and yourself remind me of an old neighbour I used to have years ago. He used to pull each and every weed out of his lawn, positioning himself by sitting on ground, even though he was on walking stick and could hardly move. Me being the big mouth told him that some years down the track no one will care about the weeds and just mow over them like everyone else does. I went back about a year ago. I noticed lawn full of weeds and young people there. I told them they did not weed it like the old guy used to. That was their grandfather who passed away. After you and KB find finally something better to do with your lives, people will innocently break off topic rules everywhere and use analogies everywhere and no one will give a shit. And you will have wasted your precious younger years just like that old guy wasted his last years. If both of you children to love and care for you would not give a poop about all the rules you make up. Along as there is no defamo nor bad language no thing else matters. Last edited by antichrist : 12-18-2009 at 05:34 PM

12-18-2009, 12:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by antichrist But over there I even have a conversations with one mod or admin, RW it was, then KB comes along and deletes everything and threatens me. Also KB has let one post through, then you come along later and bar me over it. Irrelevant. On Chesschat the admins/mods have never stated that they were bound by another admin/mods actions or decisions. Here on OzChess Just2Good explicitly made a statement that was contradicted less than 18 hours later by action taken by firegoat7.

12-18-2009, 09:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos This is contradicted by this. The elections haven't happened yet Bill. Wait for 1 January 2010. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

12-18-2009, 05:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Irrelevant. On Chesschat the admins/mods have never stated that they were bound by another admin/mods actions or decisions. Here on OzChess Just2Good explicitly made a statement that was contradicted less than 18 hours later by action taken by firegoat7. Maybe you never said that you were bound by other mods actions but it is completely ludicrous(?) that posters don't know if they are Arthur or Martha, or Eve or Steve. If you can't or don't unify your actions you don't deserve to sit on the board. We all know when bringing up children or in any position of power that consistency is essential. KB is ridiculous and is letting his own personal likes (stupid bullshit Sprouty) and dislikes completely influence his decisions instead of being impartial and fair-minded. No one else gives a shit if I place one word wrong or go off topic for awhile, everyone does it including yourself and KB I reakon if I was to have a look. And he bars me for a week over it. What a total fool. Did he get lessons off Adolf or the Israelis?. It is called punitive punishment and is barred under international law. But it does not matter to me much coz when I am not over there 90% of time it is so boring that I don't miss much. You could throw the soil over the coffin to finish the job off. They may contradict themselves here but what matters, they won't go to hell over it. The bans are usually only for 24 hours - that is nothing. You guys are lucky that you are even allowed onto the site seeing you (2) are responsible for them being here. They probably only you to boost their posts and create some interest. But their mod election is definitely a plus, no matter what you may think of the mods here. A bit of democracy never hurt anyone. And KB is showing his total arrogance and small-mindedness in criticising them in answer to my post that he has made in detox over there. Credit where credit is due. KB and yourself remind me of an old neighbour I used to have years ago. He used to pull each and every weed out of his lawn, positioning himself by sitting on ground, even though he was on walking stick and could hardly move. Me being the big mouth told him that some years down the track no one will care about the weeds and just mow over them like everyone else does. I went back about a year ago. I noticed lawn full of weeds and young people there. I told them they did not weed it like the old guy used to. That was their grandfather who passed away. After you and KB find finally something better to do with your lives, people will innocently break off topic rules everywhere and use analogies everywhere and no one will give a shit. And you will have wasted your precious younger years just like that old guy wasted his last years. If both of you children to love and care for you would not give a poop about all the rules you make up. Along as there is no defamo nor bad language no thing else matters. I notice that you failed to answer these points about both of your pettiness. Last edited by antichrist : 12-19-2009 at 03:38 PM

12-18-2009, 06:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Bill, I get barred a week for saying on detox thread that KB's opinion of this site is the same as mine of creationism. So the first part of analogy refers directly to detox thread. Admit that that is fanaticism on KB's part. He mentions detox rubbish in SB, but that does not count as offensive coz no rule against it. But detox thread is completely unimportant and only is vindicative pettiness. Whereas creationism has been a source of serious trouble for 150 years. It has even led to Regan having manufactured 15000 more nuke warheads (Gorby's birthmark in shape of 666 so Anti-Christ - now you know where I am coming from). Iraq got bombed for supposedly such weapons. Creationism has spread in Australia by about 400% in my adulthood so if I let fly with an analogy here or there I am only doing good. I had to go off topic here to explain my whole position - but who gives a shit - put your hand up if anyone does.

12-18-2009, 06:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by antichrist I had to go off topic here to explain my whole position - but who gives a shit - put your hand up if anyone does. Hi I do. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-18-2009, 11:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by antichrist [/color] But their mod election is definitely a plus, no matter what you may think of the mods here. A bit of democracy never hurt anyone. And KB is showing his total arrogance and small-mindedness in criticising them in answer to my post that he has made in detox over there.[/color] Credit where credit is due. Thank you AC. It appears as if you have finally gotten of the fence! cheers, P.S Our mate is in Norway! Last news I heard, they squatted in a police station, ripped out the generator, and donated it to an African country! __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

12-19-2009, 06:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Thank you AC. It appears as if you have finally gotten of the fence! They don't have fences in Byron Bay - only a really, really nice beach. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

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