Arbiters looking over toilet walls - OzChess

**antichrist** · 02-27-2009, 07:03 PM

You guys have missed the big debate over there about arbiters perving over toilet walls trying to catch out cheats. I said that many parent would object to there children being perved on. As well that maybe a contestant in the Doeberl stosh many years ago would really love it if arbiter Bill or Kevin were perving on them over the wall. A plastic surgeon might be needed. Take it from there.

**AzzX** · 02-28-2009, 01:05 AM

Sounds like a pretty drastic thing to do - if not completely illegal. Regardless to the ability for the arbiters to keep things in check, doing what you suggested is simply against the law.

**Just2Good** · 02-28-2009, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by AzzX

Sounds like a pretty drastic thing to do - if not completely illegal. Regardless to the ability for the arbiters to keep things in check, doing what you suggested is simply against the law.

It likely is unlawful and also has the potential to ruin the game if a big media scandal erupts as a result of this anti-cheating strategy going awry.

In the recent case, however, the lad had taken several toilet trips during the game giving rise to the arbiter's suspicions which were, thankfully, proven.

If the arbiter, Ron Scott, had peered over the toilet wall and seen the young lad doing what one usually does in a toilet stall, then he could have had some unpleasant explaining to do.

**Calvin** · 02-28-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

You guys have missed the big debate over there about arbiters perving over toilet walls trying to catch out cheats. I said that many parent would object to there children being perved on. As well that maybe a contestant in the Doeberl stosh many years ago would really love it if arbiter Bill or Kevin were perving on them over the wall. A plastic surgeon might be needed. Take it from there.

No you take it from there. I think you started off with a good legimate point and then your personality conflicts muddle the rest of whatever it is you want to say.

**MOZ** · 02-28-2009, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

You guys have missed the big debate over there about arbiters perving over toilet walls trying to catch out cheats. I said that many parent would object to there children being perved on. As well that maybe a contestant in the Doeberl stosh many years ago would really love it if arbiter Bill or Kevin were perving on them over the wall. A plastic surgeon might be needed. Take it from there.

I started to dial into chesschat as you suggested a/c, but my eye got caught on a thread called a/c's RELO.

This looked more interesting so I opened up the thread and discovered there was 1 post and 34 views.

Now, these are not very complementary metrics for a troll matey. You have appear to have lost your ability to get a reaction on chesschat on a/c's RELO.
The fish are just viewing, not biting.

Come back and tell me when you have recovered your trolling powers.

regards
MOZ*

**Axiom Support Group** · 02-28-2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Calvin

No you take it from there. I think you started off with a good legimate point and then your personality conflicts muddle the rest of whatever it is you want to say.

Agreed

**antichrist** · 02-28-2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

I started to dial into chesschat as you suggested a/c, but my eye got caught on a thread called a/c's RELO.

This looked more interesting so I opened up the thread and discovered there was 1 post and 34 views.

Now, these are not very complementary metrics for a troll matey. You have appear to have lost your ability to get a reaction on chesschat on a/c's RELO.
The fish are just viewing, not biting.

Come back and tell me when you have recovered your trolling powers.

regards
MOZ*

well 34 views wasn't too bad considering he was not the potential alleged crook. I could tell you a lot more about the PAC but maybe shouldn't.

check out classic posts to see if I have lost my ooompphhhh from Justaknight and Ian Rout

**MOZ** · 02-28-2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

well 34 views wasn't too bad considering he was not the potential alleged crook. I could tell you a lot more about the PAC but maybe shouldn't.

check out classic posts to see if I have lost my ooompphhhh from Justaknight and Ian Rout

Nice try at a diversion a/c.

But the facts remain....if you can't get a reaction to an interesting RELO of yours then you must have lost your paunch.
34 views and not a single response post means your mojo is not working.

Maybe you need to return to this thread.

And listen mate, don't link me off to CLASSIC POSTS....that is just the re-cycle bin.

regards
MOZ*

**Axiom Support Group** · 03-01-2009, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by AzzX

Sounds like a pretty drastic thing to do - if not completely illegal. Regardless to the ability for the arbiters to keep things in check, doing what you suggested is simply against the law.

Against the law and over the top?

**Just2Good** · 03-01-2009, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Come back and tell me when you have recovered your trolling powers.

Yes, I agree. Its as though Kevin took antichrist to the vet, and antichrist hasn't been the same puppy dog ever since!

Best Regards,

AO

ps- Why is this thread in this forum when it has nothing at all to do with Chess Chat?

**MOZ** · 03-01-2009, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Yes, I agree. Its as though Kevin took antichrist to the vet, and antichrist hasn't been the same puppy dog ever since!

Best Regards,

AO

ps- Why is this thread in this forum when it has nothing at all to do with Chess Chat?

The capability to misplace posts is one skill that has not evaporated from a/c's set.
Having said that he may have placed the first post in the right forum.

**Just2Good** · 03-03-2009, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Some distant voices even tell me that it is illegal to look over.

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

The opinion of clueless clowns on the toolbox is as always irrelevant.

Bill, firstly what you seem to never comprehend is that people - including AzzX - are entitled to their opinions. That does not make those opinions 'clueless' simply because you and Kevin might disagree with them. On top of that antichrist might not have even been referring to OzChess.

Secondly, I do not think the means necessarily justify the ends. Peering over the wall of a toilet cubicle (when you know someone is occupying that cublicle) is not something to be done lightly or on a whim - and this action could potentially run foul of the law. I think it would be wise for the ACF to brief counsel to draft and Advice on the matter in order to to add certainty to the issue.

There you have it, something useful for the ACF to do for a change.

Lastly, as you seem to be attacking innocent posters of this forum I am placing you (and Kevin) back into the Admonished Users usergroup for a week.

**antichrist** · 03-18-2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Parr wasnt there when it happened.

For him to know it completely he would need to have spoken directly to the arbiter or assistant arbiter.
Did he get a first hand from the arbiter or did he get it second hand from someone else?

Did he speak directly to the arbiter Laura Moylan?
Did he speak directly to the assistant arbiter Ronald Scott?

I was mainly making the point that I did not give him info concerning this. So cannot be accused of misrepresenting etc.

But the basic point can be debated, i.e., the method of obtaining evidence, it is not necessary to know who spoketh to whom.

Last night late on ABC tv there was a program on torture concerning 9/11. The victim was smeared with menstrual blood and it was left to dry all night. I could image a similar thing happening to an arbitar if they proceeded to look over the toilet wall at certain contestants at a certain period of the cycle.

**Just2Good** · 03-18-2009, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Last night late on ABC tv there was a program on torture concerning 9/11. The victim was smeared with menstrual blood and it was left to dry all night. I could image a similar thing happening to an arbitar if they proceeded to look over the toilet wall at certain contestants at a certain period of the cycle.

I fail to see how the Abu Ghraib prison debacle which occurred under George Bush's administration has anything at all to do with a youth being caught cheating in a toilet with a hand held chess computing device.

**MOZ** · 03-18-2009, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Bill, firstly what you seem to never comprehend is that people - including AzzX - are entitled to their opinions. That does not make those opinions 'clueless' simply because you and Kevin might disagree with them. On top of that antichrist might not have even been referring to OzChess.

Secondly, I do not think the means necessarily justify the ends. Peering over the wall of a toilet cubicle (when you know someone is occupying that cublicle) is not something to be done lightly or on a whim - and this action could potentially run foul of the law. I think it would be wise for the ACF to brief counsel to draft and Advice on the matter in order to to add certainty to the issue.

There you have it, something useful for the ACF to do for a change.

Lastly, as you <Bill> seem to be attacking innocent posters of this forum I am placing you (and Kevin) back into the Admonished Users usergroup for a week.

Can we have count on the number of times?

02-27-2009, 07:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Arbiters looking over toilet walls You guys have missed the big debate over there about arbiters perving over toilet walls trying to catch out cheats. I said that many parent would object to there children being perved on. As well that maybe a contestant in the Doeberl stosh many years ago would really love it if arbiter Bill or Kevin were perving on them over the wall. A plastic surgeon might be needed. Take it from there.

02-28-2009, 01:05 AM	#2 (permalink)
AzzX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 109	Sounds like a pretty drastic thing to do - if not completely illegal. Regardless to the ability for the arbiters to keep things in check, doing what you suggested is simply against the law. __________________ azzx.org ozsource

02-28-2009, 11:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by AzzX Sounds like a pretty drastic thing to do - if not completely illegal. Regardless to the ability for the arbiters to keep things in check, doing what you suggested is simply against the law. It likely is unlawful and also has the potential to ruin the game if a big media scandal erupts as a result of this anti-cheating strategy going awry. In the recent case, however, the lad had taken several toilet trips during the game giving rise to the arbiter's suspicions which were, thankfully, proven. If the arbiter, Ron Scott, had peered over the toilet wall and seen the young lad doing what one usually does in a toilet stall, then he could have had some unpleasant explaining to do. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

02-28-2009, 02:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 268	Originally Posted by antichrist You guys have missed the big debate over there about arbiters perving over toilet walls trying to catch out cheats. I said that many parent would object to there children being perved on. As well that maybe a contestant in the Doeberl stosh many years ago would really love it if arbiter Bill or Kevin were perving on them over the wall. A plastic surgeon might be needed. Take it from there. No you take it from there. I think you started off with a good legimate point and then your personality conflicts muddle the rest of whatever it is you want to say.

02-28-2009, 07:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	a/c's trolling-mojo no longer works. Originally Posted by antichrist You guys have missed the big debate over there about arbiters perving over toilet walls trying to catch out cheats. I said that many parent would object to there children being perved on. As well that maybe a contestant in the Doeberl stosh many years ago would really love it if arbiter Bill or Kevin were perving on them over the wall. A plastic surgeon might be needed. Take it from there. I started to dial into chesschat as you suggested a/c, but my eye got caught on a thread called a/c's RELO. This looked more interesting so I opened up the thread and discovered there was 1 post and 34 views. Now, these are not very complementary metrics for a troll matey. You have appear to have lost your ability to get a reaction on chesschat on a/c's RELO. The fish are just viewing, not biting. Come back and tell me when you have recovered your trolling powers. regards MOZ* __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

02-28-2009, 08:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
Axiom Support Group Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Laku, Ishmaelia Posts: 141	Originally Posted by Calvin No you take it from there. I think you started off with a good legimate point and then your personality conflicts muddle the rest of whatever it is you want to say. Agreed

02-28-2009, 09:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by MOZ I started to dial into chesschat as you suggested a/c, but my eye got caught on a thread called a/c's RELO. This looked more interesting so I opened up the thread and discovered there was 1 post and 34 views. Now, these are not very complementary metrics for a troll matey. You have appear to have lost your ability to get a reaction on chesschat on a/c's RELO. The fish are just viewing, not biting. Come back and tell me when you have recovered your trolling powers. regards MOZ* well 34 views wasn't too bad considering he was not the potential alleged crook. I could tell you a lot more about the PAC but maybe shouldn't. check out classic posts to see if I have lost my ooompphhhh from Justaknight and Ian Rout

02-28-2009, 10:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by antichrist well 34 views wasn't too bad considering he was not the potential alleged crook. I could tell you a lot more about the PAC but maybe shouldn't. check out classic posts to see if I have lost my ooompphhhh from Justaknight and Ian Rout Nice try at a diversion a/c. But the facts remain....if you can't get a reaction to an interesting RELO of yours then you must have lost your paunch. 34 views and not a single response post means your mojo is not working. Maybe you need to return to this thread. And listen mate, don't link me off to CLASSIC POSTS....that is just the re-cycle bin. regards MOZ* __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

03-01-2009, 10:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
Axiom Support Group Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Laku, Ishmaelia Posts: 141	Originally Posted by AzzX Sounds like a pretty drastic thing to do - if not completely illegal. Regardless to the ability for the arbiters to keep things in check, doing what you suggested is simply against the law. Against the law and over the top?

03-01-2009, 11:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by MOZ Come back and tell me when you have recovered your trolling powers. Yes, I agree. Its as though Kevin took antichrist to the vet, and antichrist hasn't been the same puppy dog ever since! Best Regards, AO ps- Why is this thread in this forum when it has nothing at all to do with Chess Chat? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

03-01-2009, 01:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Yes, I agree. Its as though Kevin took antichrist to the vet, and antichrist hasn't been the same puppy dog ever since! Best Regards, AO ps- Why is this thread in this forum when it has nothing at all to do with Chess Chat? The capability to misplace posts is one skill that has not evaporated from a/c's set. Having said that he may have placed the first post in the right forum. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

03-03-2009, 12:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Bill's Clueless Statement Originally Posted by antichrist Some distant voices even tell me that it is illegal to look over. Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos The opinion of clueless clowns on the toolbox is as always irrelevant. Bill, firstly what you seem to never comprehend is that people - including AzzX - are entitled to their opinions. That does not make those opinions 'clueless' simply because you and Kevin might disagree with them. On top of that antichrist might not have even been referring to OzChess. Secondly, I do not think the means necessarily justify the ends. Peering over the wall of a toilet cubicle (when you know someone is occupying that cublicle) is not something to be done lightly or on a whim - and this action could potentially run foul of the law. I think it would be wise for the ACF to brief counsel to draft and Advice on the matter in order to to add certainty to the issue. There you have it, something useful for the ACF to do for a change. Lastly, as you seem to be attacking innocent posters of this forum I am placing you (and Kevin) back into the Admonished Users usergroup for a week. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

03-18-2009, 07:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	from What should the arbitar do from over there Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Parr wasnt there when it happened. For him to know it completely he would need to have spoken directly to the arbiter or assistant arbiter. Did he get a first hand from the arbiter or did he get it second hand from someone else? Did he speak directly to the arbiter Laura Moylan? Did he speak directly to the assistant arbiter Ronald Scott? I was mainly making the point that I did not give him info concerning this. So cannot be accused of misrepresenting etc. But the basic point can be debated, i.e., the method of obtaining evidence, it is not necessary to know who spoketh to whom. Last night late on ABC tv there was a program on torture concerning 9/11. The victim was smeared with menstrual blood and it was left to dry all night. I could image a similar thing happening to an arbitar if they proceeded to look over the toilet wall at certain contestants at a certain period of the cycle. Last edited by Just2Good : 03-18-2009 at 07:54 PM Reason: Added Quote Box Tags

03-18-2009, 07:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by antichrist Last night late on ABC tv there was a program on torture concerning 9/11. The victim was smeared with menstrual blood and it was left to dry all night. I could image a similar thing happening to an arbitar if they proceeded to look over the toilet wall at certain contestants at a certain period of the cycle. I fail to see how the Abu Ghraib prison debacle which occurred under George Bush's administration has anything at all to do with a youth being caught cheating in a toilet with a hand held chess computing device. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

03-18-2009, 09:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Bill, firstly what you seem to never comprehend is that people - including AzzX - are entitled to their opinions. That does not make those opinions 'clueless' simply because you and Kevin might disagree with them. On top of that antichrist might not have even been referring to OzChess. Secondly, I do not think the means necessarily justify the ends. Peering over the wall of a toilet cubicle (when you know someone is occupying that cublicle) is not something to be done lightly or on a whim - and this action could potentially run foul of the law. I think it would be wise for the ACF to brief counsel to draft and Advice on the matter in order to to add certainty to the issue. There you have it, something useful for the ACF to do for a change. Lastly, as you <Bill> seem to be attacking innocent posters of this forum I am placing you (and Kevin) back into the Admonished Users usergroup for a week. Can we have count on the number of times? __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

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