Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Sounds like nonsense. Give the people ........
so was saying the earth was a sphere ,until the people became informed.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Solves most of these type of problems.
you mean those horrible humans destroying the planet ?
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
More meaningless dribble.
translated - means collectivists unwittingly short sell humans and humanity. by limiting ,stifling , constraining and enslaving them.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
All history is a collective human story passed on through language which is a learned social pattern shared with others. By definition an individual would have their own language completely independent of shared culture. They would therefore be anti-history in nature. Of course such an individual never exists because they are derived genetically from a collective of two human beings, who have genetic characteristics passed on through generations and multiple beings.
Furthermore, these so called individual beings are brought up within a shared collective culture that gives them language to think with. There is no such thing as an independent thought derived without the stimulas of culture. Children reared in black boxes without cultural stimulas become vegetables.
all very true .
naturally we are talking about a progression, a spectrum , a trend ,a relative scale here, not absolutes.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Government, no government. This a polar rhetoric devoid of meaning because you do not need to believe in any of the concepts of government to be a collectivist or a libertarian. For example, Anarchism is a political ideology that is devoid of belief in government but includes collectivist and libertarian viewpoints. The same examples can be cited for many religous organisations.
What im saying is that collectivists are, in effect, bred like a certain breed of cattle , to be most importantly of all, subservient,obedient,helpless,productive and unquestioning.
I believe in ,as i said, small but strong govt , ideally paying the CEOs of the country's govt about 20-50 million dollars a year , in line with major corps !
But no , most ppl would cry out in horror at that , whilst the real power , simply laughs at us and their collectivist cronies. How horrific to actually have a truly representative and
RESPONSIBLE govt of,for and by the ppl, instead of the low paid maleable puppets of the criminal elite.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Where on earth do you get the idea that socialism requires people not to be responsible for their own actions?
its a relative scale , a trend.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Freedom does not exist. Who you are is culturally determined.
again, not absolute freedom, but the relative determination of such.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
This idea that you have freedom to do as you please simply because you are informed is a myth.
where did i say that ? i was saying you have more chance at increased levels of relative freedom the more informed you are ie ,freedom is directly proportional to level of informed.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Much like individuality it never really existed in real life.
? we are talking the spectrum of human individuality here .
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Idealism is not realism. You want a collective (society) to respect human beings and their differences. You claim information will produce individual responsibility. But collective societies are always in conflict, which is a necessary revolutionary/evolutionary condition. Plural difference means that conflict will always occur as a normal condition of the human species. Difference means different rationalities which includes information.
yes, idealism is not realism , but a guiding light directing the way forward . I used the example of the usa in its heyday , ie.before the heavy erosion of its libertarian principles . But i notice unsurprisingly , a certain glee in the eye of socialists and collectivists at the USA's demise.
Originally Posted by Firegoat7
Libertarians are all about self.
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Aha ! the BIG LIE ! - the big programmed uninformed rebuttal of libertarians.
In fact quite the opposite, we are probably the only true supporters of humanity and its freedom . Unlike the human self haters of the collectivists.